Creation, The Flood, And Millions Of Years

[Budman]

What has always irked me about old earth creationists is their belief that God didn't mean exactly what He said. That God, in fact, misled us via the creation story in Genesis.

God revealed to us that He created the world and everything in it in six literal days. That He created a man and a woman immediately, and not through a process involving millions of years. He told us plainly that He flooded the entire world, killing everything but Noah, his family, the animals in the Ark, and the water dwelling creatures.

These stories were not metaphors, themes, or fables.

The hard truth is, old earth creationists trust the opinions of man over the word of God. They try to cram evolution and millions of years into the Bible instead of letting the Bible speak for itself.

Using Adam and Eve as an example, if God truly created them through an evolutionary process, He could have easily described it in His word plainly enough for us to understand.

He could have inspired to be written:

"In the beginning God decided to create man. From the earth, God nurtured man's life from humble beginnings, and over a great span of time, developed and molded man, as a potter molds the clay, until such a time when the Lord decided man was well equipped to possess a soul. God then gave man a living spirit, and henceforth, called him Adam."

See how easy that is? The same sort of things could be said for the creation of the universe.

So why didn't God say that?

Because God is not a liar. What is written in Genesis is historical fact. If what is described in Genesis didn't truly happen as written, we have no reason to believe anything else in the Bible is historically true.

 

[purgedconscience]

What has always irked me about old earth creationists is their belief that God didn't mean exactly what He said. That God, in fact, misled us via the creation story in Genesis.

God revealed to us that He created the world and everything in it in six literal days. That He created a man and a woman immediately, and not through a process involving millions of years. He told us plainly that He flooded the entire world, killing everything but Noah, his family, the animals in the Ark, and the water dwelling creatures.

These stories were not metaphors, themes, or fables.

The hard truth is, old earth creationists trust the opinions of man over the word of God. They try to cram evolution and millions of years into the Bible instead of letting the Bible speak for itself.

Using Adam and Eve as an example, if God truly created them through an evolutionary process, He could have easily described it in His word plainly enough for us to understand.

He could have inspired to be written:

"In the beginning God decided to create man. From the earth, God nurtured man's life from humble beginnings, and over a great span of time, developed and molded man, as a potter molds the clay, until such a time when the Lord decided man was well equipped to possess a soul. God then gave man a living spirit, and henceforth, called him Adam."

See how easy that is? The same sort of things could be said for the creation of the universe.

So why didn't God say that?

Because God is not a liar. What is written in Genesis is historical fact. If what is described in Genesis didn't truly happen as written, we have no reason to believe anything else in the Bible is historically true.

Amen.

I couldn't agree with you more.

 

[Tintin]

Yes, the Bible, even the early chapters of Genesis, should be read and understand as God's truth, from a grammatical-historical perspective. And Genesis 1-11 is made up entirely of chronogenealogies and historical narratives. It's set the foundation for the rest of God's Word.

 

[EdisonTrent]

If one lives for ever many time has no limits, would one start with a seed and give it water watch it sprout trim the plant here and there protect the plant until the plant flowers then pollinate the flower until it bares fruit or just create the whole plant full of fruit... which path would one take if one lived for ever.

 

[purgedconscience]

If one lives for ever many time has no limits, would one start with a seed and give it water watch it sprout trim the plant here and there protect the plant until the plant flowers then pollinate the flower until it bares fruit or just create the whole plant full of fruit... which path would one take if one lived for ever.

God is eternal and He created the whole plant full of fruit with seed within it that it might reproduce after its kind. Are you calling God a liar?

 

[EdisonTrent]

Of coarse not never would I called Father a liar, answer me this the falling angel cast to earth on which day was this?

 

[purgedconscience]

Of coarse not never would I called Father a liar, answer me this the falling angel cast to earth on which day was this?

Which falling angel are you referring to? If you're referring to Revelation chapter 12, then that hasn't happened yet.

 

[Budman]

If one lives for ever many time has no limits, would one start with a seed and give it water watch it sprout trim the plant here and there protect the plant until the plant flowers then pollinate the flower until it bares fruit or just create the whole plant full of fruit... which path would one take if one lived for ever.

I don't get what you're saying here.

God created mature trees and plants, already bearing fruit, right from the beginning.

 

[GodIsSalvation]

Of coarse not never would I called Father a liar, answer me this the falling angel cast to earth on which day was this?

When men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them (Genesis 6).

 

[purgedconscience]

When men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them (Genesis 6).

Although I agree that angels were involved here, there's nothing in that text that even implies that any angels were cast to earth at that time. Voluntarily left their own habitations to have sexual intercourse with women? Quite possibly.

 

[valiant]

What has always irked me about old earth creationists is their belief that God didn't mean exactly what He said. That God, in fact, misled us via the creation story in Genesis.

But God did mean exactly what He said. He just did not mean what you say. The aim of the creation story was to demonstrate that God had created the world for man's benefit, and that for that purpose it was very good. It was what God DID that was central, not how He did it.

God revealed to us that He created the world and everything in it in six literal days.

God revealed nothing of the kind. That is just your naïve interpretation. He made clear that the 'days' of creation were not controlled by sun and moon. In other words they were God's days and not man's. It is just that you are too dogmatic and closed minded to see it.

That He created a man and a woman immediately, and not through a process involving millions of years.

But that creation, the putting of a sprit in man, is not given a time limit, except that of a 'day of God' which could be any length of time. Time is meaningless to God.

He told us plainly that He flooded the entire world, killing everything but Noah, his family, the animals in the Ark, and the water dwelling creatures.

He told us nothing of the kind. He simply told us that the world as known to mankind at that time was flooded. The writers were in no position to use modern concepts of 'the whole world as we know it. They only knew the world as THEY knew it.

These stories were not metaphors, themes, or fables.

well they were themes LOL but they were not metaphors or fables.

The hard truth is, old earth creationists trust the opinions of man over the word of God. They try to cram evolution and millions of years into the Bible instead of letting the Bible speak for itself.

How is that different from you trusting the opinions of men about God using 24 hour days? You try to cram the evidence into 6000 years, which is equally ridiculous. Let THE BIBLE speak for itself, and see it in terms of God's days, not your man made theories.

Using Adam and Eve as an example, if God truly created them through an evolutionary process, He could have easily described it in His word plainly enough for us to understand.

But He was not interested in us understanding. It would have put the emphasis in the wrong place. He wanted us to concentrate on what He did, not how He did it. He wanted it clear to the simplest farmer.

He could have inspired to be written:

"In the beginning God decided to create man. From the earth, God nurtured man's life from humble beginnings, and over a great span of time, developed and molded man, as a potter molds the clay, until such a time when the Lord decided man was well equipped to possess a soul. God then gave man a living spirit, and henceforth, called him Adam."

I can see God missed a trick by not creating you first so that you could tell Him what to put in His word

See how easy that is? The same sort of things could be said for the creation of the universe. So why didn't God say that?

Because He did not have the same interests and purposes as you.

Because God is not a liar. What is written in Genesis is historical fact. If what is described in Genesis didn't truly happen as written, we have no reason to believe anything else in the Bible is historically true.

True. what it is NOT is an account to be circumscribed by seven earthly dayers. God made clear that He was not talking bout earthly days. We should take it as God actually said it.

 

[GodIsSalvation]

Although I agree that angels were involved here, there's nothing in that text that even implies that any angels were cast to earth at that time. Voluntarily left their own habitations to have sexual intercourse with women? Quite possibly.

Aye left their first habitation indeed they did as it is written. Was moreso trying to establish the time frame for to answer the man's question, but yours is a good point.

 

[Viligant_Warrior]

If one lives for ever many time has no limits, would one start with a seed and give it water watch it sprout trim the plant here and there protect the plant until the plant flowers then pollinate the flower until it bares fruit or just create the whole plant full of fruit... which path would one take if one lived for ever.

The simplest method to show His power, and that would be speaking the universe into existence in an instant.

 

[valiant]

When men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them (Genesis 6).

How does that then explain Satan's secret presence in Eden long before that time?

 

[Viligant_Warrior]

But God did mean exactly what He said. He just did not mean what you say. The aim of the creation story was to demonstrate that God had created the world for man's benefit, and that for that purpose it was very good. It was what God DID that was central, not how He did it.

Then why did He use very specific, literal language to describe it? A day is a day is a day. He "created" by speaking: "Let there be ... and it was so." There's no mystery here, there's no hyperbole. The literal language of Genesis 1 says everything that is was spoken into existence in a literal six days.

God revealed nothing of the kind. That is just your naïve interpretation.

Actually, your interpretation would be the incorrect one. The language forbids any understanding but a literal one. You don't want to believe He did it in six days, and the real question then becomes, "Why?"

Everything you said in this post is to counter Bud's clear delineation of God's word. Why is it so hard, as Bud has said from the outset, for "old Earthers" to accept that God has the power to simply speak to create? And why would He do anything less than that?

 

[GodIsSalvation]

But God did mean exactly what He said. He just did not mean what you say. The aim of the creation story was to demonstrate that God had created the world for man's benefit, and that for that purpose it was very good. It was what God DID that was central, not how He did it.



God revealed nothing of the kind. That is just your naïve interpretation. He made clear that the 'days' of creation were not controlled by sun and moon. In other words they were God's days and not man's. It is just that you are too dogmatic and closed minded to see it.



But that creation, the putting of a sprit in man, is not given a time limit, except that of a 'day of God' which could be any length of time. Time is meaningless to God.




He told us nothing of the kind. He simply told us that the world as known to mankind at that time was flooded. The writers were in no position to use modern concepts of 'the whole world as we know it. They only knew the world as THEY knew it.



well they were themes LOL but they were not metaphors or fables.



How is that different from you trusting the opinions of men about God using 24 hour days? You try to cram the evidence into 6000 years, which is equally ridiculous. Let THE BIBLE speak for itself, and see it in terms of God's days, not your man made theories.



But He was not interested in us understanding. It would have put the emphasis in the wrong place. He wanted us to concentrate on what He did, not how He did it. He wanted it clear to the simplest farmer.



I can see God missed a trick by not creating you first so that you could tell Him what to put in His word



Because He did not have the same interests and purposes as you.



True. what it is NOT is an account to be circumscribed by seven earthly dayers. God made clear that He was not talking bout earthly days. We should take it as God actually said it.

The 7 days is literal and supported elsewhere in the Bible as well. Old earth mythology is wrong, but if it's any consolation time is not over yet, and then cometh eternity when time means nothing.

Exodus 20:11

[SUP]11 [/SUP]For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day;

 

[GodIsSalvation]

How does that then explain Satan's secret presence in Eden long before that time?

What do you mean?

It is no secret that the dragon whom is called Satan and Devil was more subtil than any beast of the field which the Lord God had made. (Genesis 3)

 

[jaybird88]

The 7 days is literal and supported elsewhere in the Bible as well. Old earth mythology is wrong, but if it's any consolation time is not over yet, and then cometh eternity when time means nothing.

Exodus 20:11

[SUP]11 [/SUP]For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day;

it also says a day to the Lord would be like a thousand to man.

and on and on and on. . . .

will this discussion be any different than all the rest?

 

[GodIsSalvation]

it also says a day to the Lord would be like a thousand to man.

and on and on and on. . . .

will this discussion be any different than all the rest?

That passage is in regards to the end of days for those that say "where is the promise of his coming".

 

[Yet]

Valiant, did not God call the light day and the darkness night, and the evening and the morning were the first day?
Sounds like a 24 hour day to me. But I r just a country boy that wakes up by the roosters crow. He knows when the day starts.