Ecumenism

[Is]

I read an article once where a woman saw an advertisement in a newspaper for special services at a Baptist Church and, it gave a list of the churches, the occasion was "Maundy Thursday".

Baptists uniting with a smorgasbord of faiths for Roman Catholic observances?

This is not true Baptist practice, because this is not true Bible practice. This is what is often favorably referred to as "Ecumenism." Satan's plea to the religions today is "Lay down your differences and unite under the banner of 'love'." Yet the bible says,

Amos 3:3, Can two walk together, except they be agreed?

Romans 16:17, Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.

The church of Rome no longer calls people outside that church "heretics", they now call them "seperated brethren".

Be still my heart, I'm all a twitter!

 

[atwhatcost]

I read an article once where a woman saw an advertisement in a newspaper for special services at a Baptist Church and, it gave a list of the churches, the occasion was "Maundy Thursday".

Baptists uniting with a smorgasbord of faiths for Roman Catholic observances?

This is not true Baptist practice, because this is not true Bible practice. This is what is often favorably referred to as "Ecumenism." Satan's plea to the religions today is "Lay down your differences and unite under the banner of 'love'." Yet the bible says,

Amos 3:3, Can two walk together, except they be agreed?

Romans 16:17, Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.

The church of Rome no longer calls people outside that church "heretics", they now call them "seperated brethren".

Be still my heart, I'm all a twitter! View attachment 126363

I married a Polish man, but I'm not Polish and really never took an interest in figuring out old-country backgrounds of people. But I worked for a Jewish family in their factory as the bookkeeper.

Imagine my surprise the Monday after Easter when they were upset I didn't bring in any doughnuts. Apparently that's a Polish custom they knew, but I didn't. It's even got a name, but I forget what it's called.

I like doughnuts, so from that point on I always brought in two dozen doughnuts on the Monday after Easter.

Was that Ecumenism? Well, really not. They were Jewish, I wasn't Catholic nor Polish, but, yo! Who doesn't like doughnuts? Sometimes a minor holiday is a good excuse to do something fun. I also gave my Irish-Polish Christian husband green oatmeal on St. Patty's Day. I also try to remember to say White Rabbit three times the first day of a month. I don't even know why. All I know is it's a British thing. I just find it amusing, because who remembers to say something that silly first on any morning? I think I've done it three times since I first learn 20 odd years ago. lol

And then I'm not denying kids trick or treat just because it celebrates a RCC holy day.

Lighten up. I really don't believe the Baptists will be uniting with the Catholics any moment now.

 

[crossnote]

I read an article once where a woman saw an advertisement in a newspaper for special services at a Baptist Church and, it gave a list of the churches, the occasion was "Maundy Thursday".

Baptists uniting with a smorgasbord of faiths for Roman Catholic observances?

This is not true Baptist practice, because this is not true Bible practice. This is what is often favorably referred to as "Ecumenism." Satan's plea to the religions today is "Lay down your differences and unite under the banner of 'love'." Yet the bible says,

Amos 3:3, Can two walk together, except they be agreed?

Romans 16:17, Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.

The church of Rome no longer calls people outside that church "heretics", they now call them "seperated brethren".

Be still my heart, I'm all a twitter! View attachment 126363

I've only known Maunday Thursday from Lutherans celebrating the Passover before Christ's death.

 

[Yet]

Beware of the embezzlement TV preachers now casting their crowns toward Rome. Who would have seen that one coming?

 

[Utah]

I read an article once where a woman saw an advertisement in a newspaper for special services at a Baptist Church and, it gave a list of the churches, the occasion was "Maundy Thursday".

Baptists uniting with a smorgasbord of faiths for Roman Catholic observances?

This is not true Baptist practice, because this is not true Bible practice. This is what is often favorably referred to as "Ecumenism." Satan's plea to the religions today is "Lay down your differences and unite under the banner of 'love'." Yet the bible says,

Amos 3:3, Can two walk together, except they be agreed?

Romans 16:17, Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.

The church of Rome no longer calls people outside that church "heretics", they now call them "seperated brethren".

Be still my heart, I'm all a twitter! View attachment 126363

Ecumenism is good because the focus is recognizing Jesus as the common ground and solid foundation. On another note, God calls me His own thus I couldn't care less what anyone else calls me.

 

[thecreationtutor]

[h=1]Ephesians 4:1-6English Standard Version (ESV)[/h][h=3]Unity in the Body of Christ[/h]4 I therefore, a prisoner for the Lord, urge you to walk in a manner worthy ofthe calling to which you have been called, 2 with all humility and gentleness, with patience, bearing with one another in love, 3 eager to maintain the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace. 4 There is one body and one Spirit—just as you were called to the one hope that belongs to your call— 5 one Lord, one faith,one baptism, 6 one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all


Remember it's the actual Jesus we should come under, not made up caricatures of Jesus, like Roman Catholicism has or liberal theology

Majors and minors of Scripture

Majors conviction, minors tolerance, all things love

If they do not adhere to majors, say "oneness Pentecostals" we don't work with them, they believe that Jesus becomes the father, and becomes the spirit, some strange thing like that

 

[Willie-T]

I read an article once where a woman saw an advertisement in a newspaper for special services at a Baptist Church and, it gave a list of the churches, the occasion was "Maundy Thursday".
Baptists uniting with a smorgasbord of faiths for Roman Catholic observances?
This is not true Baptist practice, because this is not true Bible practice. This is what is often favorably referred to as "Ecumenism." Satan's plea to the religions today is "Lay down your differences and unite under the banner of 'love'." Yet the bible says,
Amos 3:3, Can two walk together, except they be agreed?
Romans 16:17, Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.
The church of Rome no longer calls people outside that church "heretics", they now call them "seperated brethren".
Be still my heart, I'm all a twitter! View attachment 126363

Do you see how you are arguing just the opposite of what is being said? (And what Jesus taught?)

To begin with, what is this "love" we are to unite under? Is it not the whole way of relating to others that Jesus taught? Does not the Bible say, "God is love."? So, to scoff at uniting under the banner of God (love) seems a bit divisive. That was one of the themes of Jesus' teaching... "Get rid of your differences." " Unite."

But, the problem here seems to be that people want "THEM" to unite under what ""WE" think is the right way. "We REFUSE" to unite in any way that looks like we are accepting anything they teach! It's OUR way, or the highway! We are the ones who are right, and everything must be under OUR banner."

How do you see Unification happening unless BOTH (ALL) parties lay down their own esoteric Sacred Cows, and "deny themselves" by not having to have the ruling, or deciding, upper position.

Amos 3:3...... It might be better read: "Can two walk together (unite) if they each insist that the unification has to agree with THEIR beliefs... be under THEIR banner?"

And Romans 16:17 might be seen as looking mostly at ourselves to be sure WE are not marked by actually CAUSING the divisions, ourselves.

Your comment about the RCC speaks a lot better for Catholics than it does for us, because we STILL sit here piously calling THEM Heretics because THEY have not accepted the Bible as WE see it........... And that is not even addressing the 4,000 different ways we Protestants do that.

They (and that Baptist church in the newspaper) have at least taken a step toward "trying" to approach the unity Jesus called for........ yet we ridicule them by saying something like, "Be still my heart, I'm all a twitter!"

I could go on by showing where Jesus, in Mark 9:38-41, (read it all, especially the last part) actually told His disciples to quit griping about some people preaching who were not of their "denomination." He said to leave them alone because, even though they were not doing things just the way the disciples thought they should be done, the word about Him was still being preached, and those "others" would not lose their reward. (A VERY important point!)

Notice, too that Jesus added no disclaimers. Nor did He say "They will come around." or that "They will see the light one day." He, basically, said for the disciples to mind their own business, and that BOTH factions should just go on preaching Jesus in their own way.

 

[Is]

I married a Polish man, but I'm not Polish and really never took an interest in figuring out old-country backgrounds of people. But I worked for a Jewish family in their factory as the bookkeeper.

Imagine my surprise the Monday after Easter when they were upset I didn't bring in any doughnuts. Apparently that's a Polish custom they knew, but I didn't. It's even got a name, but I forget what it's called.

I like doughnuts, so from that point on I always brought in two dozen doughnuts on the Monday after Easter.

Was that Ecumenism? Well, really not. They were Jewish, I wasn't Catholic nor Polish, but, yo! Who doesn't like doughnuts? Sometimes a minor holiday is a good excuse to do something fun. I also gave my Irish-Polish Christian husband green oatmeal on St. Patty's Day. I also try to remember to say White Rabbit three times the first day of a month. I don't even know why. All I know is it's a British thing. I just find it amusing, because who remembers to say something that silly first on any morning? I think I've done it three times since I first learn 20 odd years ago. lol

And then I'm not denying kids trick or treat just because it celebrates a RCC holy day.

Lighten up. I really don't believe the Baptists will be uniting with the Catholics any moment now.

I'm talking about putting the correct understanding of Gods Word into practice, not doughnuts! SMH

 

[Is]

I've only known Maunday Thursday from Lutherans celebrating the Passover before Christ's death.

Synods of Carthage, were church synods held during the 3rd, 4th, and 5th centuries in the city of Carthage in Africa.

Canon 24 of the Council of Carthage dispenses the faithful from fast before communion on Holy Thursday. (Ep. cxviii ad Januarium, n. 7)

Did the Lutheran Church exist during the 3rd, 4th or 5th centuries? Pretty obvious that Maundy Thursday got passed down to them from the church of Rome.

 

[crossnote]

Synods of Carthage, were church synods held during the 3rd, 4th, and 5th centuries in the city of Carthage in Africa.

Canon 24 of the Council of Carthage dispenses the faithful from fast before communion on Holy Thursday. (Ep. cxviii ad Januarium, n. 7)

Did the Lutheran Church exist during the 3rd, 4th or 5th centuries? Pretty obvious that Maundy Thursday got passed down to them from the church of Rome.

Question is: Do the Scriptures forbid us from observing the Lord’s Supper on the Thursday before Good Friday? Rome prays, does that mean we should cease praying?
I understand your point but I think a better example of ecumenism could have been used.
There is a line where doctrinal ridgidity and doctrinal tolerance meet, and each must settle that in their conscience.
Personally I sway towards holding fast to God's Word even at the expense of "agreeing for agreement's sake".

 

[Is]

Beware of the embezzlement TV preachers now casting their crowns toward Rome. Who would have seen that one coming?

Interfaith, Ecumenism, it's all going to bear it's ugly fruits one day and Bible believing Chrisitans will be persecuted because of their strick adherence to Gods Word.

 

[Is]

Ecumenism is good because the focus is recognizing Jesus as the common ground and solid foundation. On another note, God calls me His own thus I couldn't care less what anyone else calls me.

Oh really? Some RC's don't think so.

Teaching Catholic girls to become good Muslims.

Sometime in October of this year, students of the Saint-Pierre School (a Catholic school in the Diocese of Luçon, located in the commune of Les Essarts in the Vendée) visited the mosque of La Roche-sur-Yon, accompanied by their teachers. The purpose: to "soak in" the spirit of Islam. It seems that they succeeded, judging from this picture:

Forbid this Almighty God. This is ecuminism.

Would we ever find a Jewish school going to the mosque in the name of "soaking in" Islam?

La Fleur de Lys too: This is ecuminism! Catholic youth indoctrinated in Vendee by Muslims.

 

[MarcR]

John 14:6
6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
KJV


This statement is essentially exclusionary and precludes ecumenicism.


Likewise, our society's values are becoming increasingly divergent from Scriptural values. This raises additional bariars to ecumenicism.

 

[crossnote]

The above (post #12)shows a better example of ecumenism -->Chrislam rather than Maunday Thursday as the latter strikes/attacks the fundamentals of our faith rather the former.

 

[Is]

Do you see how you are arguing just the opposite of what is being said? (And what Jesus taught?)

To begin with, what is this "love" we are to unite under? Is it not the whole way of relating to others that Jesus taught? Does not the Bible say, "God is love."? So, to scoff at uniting under the banner of God (love) seems a bit divisive. That was one of the themes of Jesus' teaching... "Get rid of your differences." " Unite.


But, the problem here seems to be that people want "THEM" to unite under what ""WE" think is the right way. "We REFUSE" to unite in any way that looks like we are accepting anything they teach! It's OUR way, or the highway! We are the ones who are right, and everything must be under OUR banner."

So we're supposed to give up sound Biblical exegesis for the sake of love?

How do you see Unification happening unless BOTH (ALL) parties lay down their own esoteric Sacred Cows, and "deny themselves" by not having to have the ruling, or deciding, upper position.

Again, give up your sacred cows for sound Biblical exegesis.

Amos 3:3...... It might be better read: "Can two walk together (unite) if they each insist that the unification has to agree with THEIR beliefs... be under THEIR banner?"


And Romans 16:17 might be seen as looking mostly at ourselves to be sure WE are not marked by actually CAUSING the divisions, ourselves.

Those are pretty straight forward passages to understand, that if people don't believe the same doctrine they can't be united.

Your comment about the RCC speaks a lot better for Catholics than it does for us, because we STILL sit here piously calling THEM Heretics because THEY have not accepted the Bible as WE see it........... And that is not even addressing the 4,000 different ways we Protestants do that.

Actually, I was addressing the fact that the RCC has murdered thousands upon thousands of people In the name of Christ because they didn't believe RC doctrine and were seen as heretics.

They (and that Baptist church in the newspaper) have at least taken a step toward "trying" to approach the unity Jesus called for........ yet we ridicule them by saying something like, "Be still my heart, I'm all a twitter!"

I could go on by showing where Jesus, in Mark 9:38-41, (read it all, especially the last part) actually told His disciples to quit griping about some people preaching who were not of their "denomination." He said to leave them alone because, even though they were not doing things just the way the disciples thought they should be done, the word about Him was still being preached, and those "others" would not lose their reward. (A VERY important point!)

Notice, too that Jesus added no disclaimers. Nor did He say "They will come around." or that "They will see the light one day." He, basically, said for the disciples to mind their own business, and that BOTH factions should just go on preaching Jesus in their own way.

The point is, they were all on the same page. What ecumenism and for that matter interfaith proposes is associating with people that are not on the same page.

 

[Is]

Question is: Do the Scriptures forbid us from observing the Lord’s Supper on the Thursday before Good Friday? Rome prays, does that mean we should cease praying?
I understand your point but I think a better example of ecumenism could have been used.
There is a line where doctrinal ridgidity and doctrinal tolerance meet, and each must settle that in their conscience.
Personally I sway towards holding fast to God's Word even at the expense of "agreeing for agreement's sake".

The English word "Maundy" comes from the Latin mandatum, which means "commandment."

So Evangelical churches should see it as a commandment?

 

[Willie-T]

So we're supposed to give up sound Biblical exegesis for the sake of love?




Again, give up your sacred cows for sound Biblical exegesis.




Those are pretty straight forward passages to understand, that if people don't believe the same doctrine they can't be united.



Actually, I was addressing the fact that the RCC has murdered thousands upon thousands of people In the name of Christ because they didn't believe RC doctrine and were seen as heretics.



The point is, they were all on the same page. What ecumenism and for that matter interfaith proposes is associating with people that are not on the same page.

You still can't see it, can you?

Everything you said is based on the idea that YOU (We) are right in interpreting the Bible, and THEY are wrong (Pick anyone for the "THEY".) With that kind of thinking, all we do is help Satan perpetuate division......... forever. Jesus told us to drop our pride, and don't try to stand on our own righteousness. And that is all it is... self-righteousness.... both sides KNOWING they are right, and swearing those other guys are wrong. With God shaking His head that we BOTH could be so wrong.

 

[crossnote]

The English word "Maundy" comes from the Latin mandatum, which means "commandment."

So Evangelical churches should see it as a commandment?

I mentioned the Lutheran Church. They see Communion as a gift, not a command or ordinance. Evangelicals usually don't have a clue when it comes to something like Maunday Thursday, but if they looked into the observance itself I don’t see what objection they'd have except much of it is done in rote. But then again much of what is done in our evangelical churches ends up ritual as well. Oh, these dry bones

 

[crossnote]

You still can't see it, can you?

Everything you said is based on the idea that YOU (We) are right in interpreting the Bible, and THEY are wrong (Pick anyone for the "THEY".) With that kind of thinking, all we do is help Satan perpetuate division......... forever. Jesus told us to drop our pride, and don't try to stand on our own righteousness. And that is all it is... self-righteousness.... both sides KNOWING they are right, and swearing those other guys are wrong. With God shaking His head that we BOTH could be so wrong.

Are you saying truth is relative or irrelevant?

 

[Willie-T]

Are you saying truth is relative or irrelevant?

I'm saying that ALL Christians KNOW they have the only truth.... but, somehow, it is not the same "truth" as the people in the church across the street. And Jesus didn't want this for us.