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Misty9578

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I'm currently raising 3 kids with my ex. We've managed to work the divorce so that my kids are not affected as much by it as most. But my ex and I both have different religious beliefs. He don't believe in saying the pledge to the flag because he says it supports all the bad stuff in the country. He told the kids they shouldn't celebrate Independence Day for the same reason. I see nothing wrong with either. Our country has its problems. Many problems. We have strayed far from God and should not support the bad that has passed and stuff that will come to pass in lawmaking. But our country was founded on God and I think that is something to celebrate and remember and strive to get back too. Our next big issue is church. He don't believe in going to church. He tells my kids that its not needed. Ill quote verses to him and he'll say his fellowship is when he goes out and helps other people. I'm strongly for church. I go Sunday and Wednesday at my church and visit Tuesday and Thursdays at others when my time allows. Just curious how others felt about these issues. I'm pretty strong on my views on it but he's strong on his too.
 
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Your husband sounds right. Going to church isn't a bad thing, but it is better to go out and actually help people. As for America, he is fully right on that, at least for the time in which we find ourselves.

It seems the crux of the problem for you is the divorce and thus a conflict of what to teach the children. If you don't mind; is there any reason for which not to reconcile to your husband? If you do mind, and that is okay, then I would suggest relenting on your views of America, but it is fine to still take your children to church when you have them.
 
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I don't mind u asking. I went 5 years praying and trying to get him into church. For God to reach him somehow to get him saved. Went through a lot of abuse and when it hit my middle child we up and left. Came back after a bit. He said he changed. He did towards the kids, not me. Caught him cheating and the mental abuse was worse then anything so we up and left the last time and I never turned back. And I do agree with u. Helping people is do important! Reaching the lost is vital in a Christian walk but he's completely against all churches. I believe a Christian needs fellowship. That's what this site is, is fellowship. It's why I joined. I struggled with people at work. I come on here during the day and read discussions. It helps.
 
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I'm currently raising 3 kids with my ex. We've managed to work the divorce so that my kids are not affected as much by it as most. But my ex and I both have different religious beliefs. He don't believe in saying the pledge to the flag because he says it supports all the bad stuff in the country. He told the kids they shouldn't celebrate Independence Day for the same reason. I see nothing wrong with either. Our country has its problems. Many problems. We have strayed far from God and should not support the bad that has passed and stuff that will come to pass in lawmaking. But our country was founded on God and I think that is something to celebrate and remember and strive to get back too. Our next big issue is church. He don't believe in going to church. He tells my kids that its not needed. Ill quote verses to him and he'll say his fellowship is when he goes out and helps other people. I'm strongly for church. I go Sunday and Wednesday at my church and visit Tuesday and Thursdays at others when my time allows. Just curious how others felt about these issues. I'm pretty strong on my views on it but he's strong on his too.
Some men are sometimes more cautious when it comes to forming genuine relationships. In some cases they do this because they are siding on the road of caution spiritually (If he is someone who regularly studies the Bible and is seeking to follow Jesus in all that he does). If he is not studying the Bible, it is because the Word (The Living Word and the written Word) is not living in him and he needs to dedicate his life to God. While I will attend church with my fiance (When she visits me from Brazil, and while I will do so when we are married), I see real fellowship as gathering in a small body of believers 2-5 people in a home so as to study God's Word, praise him, pray for each other, and to help in spreading the gospel together in your neighborhood.

As for celebrating Independence Day: Well, we do have a liberty in Christ, but our celebrating of such an event should be for the freedoms that God has chosen to bless our nation with (Despite it's troubles). From my perspective: It has to do more with being with the one I love rather than the actual fireworks. The same would hold true if we were to have children. But he might have thought America was once a great and Godly nation. While America did have laws in the past that aligned more with the Bible a little, America was never technically a nation that was formed directly by God like Israel. God never allowed Israel to worship other gods and or to bow down to statues. Granted, if we didn't have religious freedom at the start of this nation, then we would not be able to preach the gospel. So I am not looking a gift horse in the mouth, but America has gone downhill in this. Preaching the Word now is becoming more inappropriate by our country and evil behavior is now being openly celebrated and encouraged instead.

As for pledging allegiance to the flag: I would not encourage my kids to do this or to seek to join the military. I would tell my future kids to pledge allegiance to the Lamb of God and to seek in fighting the spiritual battle of God that He has for us in spreading the good news and in helping those who are less fortunate. For a believer's allegiance is not to a country that is worldly and ungodly but it is to God alone. Think.. about the 3 friends of Daniel who had refused to bow down to the statue of their king. Why did they refuse to bow down? Because the LORD is their real king. That is why pledging allegiance to a worldly king or country does not really help a believer. For it doesn't really mean anything. For their allegiance should be solely unto God.
 
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I don't mind u asking. I went 5 years praying and trying to get him into church. For God to reach him somehow to get him saved. Went through a lot of abuse and when it hit my middle child we up and left. Came back after a bit. He said he changed. He did towards the kids, not me. Caught him cheating and the mental abuse was worse then anything so we up and left the last time and I never turned back. And I do agree with u. Helping people is do important! Reaching the lost is vital in a Christian walk but he's completely against all churches. I believe a Christian needs fellowship. That's what this site is, is fellowship. It's why I joined. I struggled with people at work. I come on here during the day and read discussions. It helps.
I see that indeed you cannot reconcile to the man. I'd still suggest to relent on the America stuff, for America is not very important and it is not profitable to defend America anymore since America stopped listening and caring nor is it profitable to destroy America for America is destroying itself.

As for the church situation, if you want to take the kids to church then that seems fine to me, and if he doesn't take the kids to church that is fine, for they can go when they are with you.
 
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I don't mind u asking. I went 5 years praying and trying to get him into church. For God to reach him somehow to get him saved. Went through a lot of abuse and when it hit my middle child we up and left. Came back after a bit. He said he changed. He did towards the kids, not me. Caught him cheating and the mental abuse was worse then anything so we up and left the last time and I never turned back. And I do agree with u. Helping people is do important! Reaching the lost is vital in a Christian walk but he's completely against all churches. I believe a Christian needs fellowship. That's what this site is, is fellowship. It's why I joined. I struggled with people at work. I come on here during the day and read discussions. It helps.
While there may be another way he may come to the LORD, I would personally leave him a Chick Gospel Tract secretly where you know he will read it and yet not suspect that it was you. Maybe place it on his car windshield at work or something or hang it on his door in a plastic bag. Just check out the link at the bottom of my signature to see what it is about. They come in paper format and they are about the size of a small notepad and are super dirt cheap to purchase.
 
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Misty9578

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Thanks for all the insight. I see where u coming from on the American stand point. I'm a big history buff. I love history. I do believe our country is still far more blessed then others, though we are losing it little by little. It's becoming a sad place to live. I really liked the insight from the book of Daniel. But on his studying, I'm not sure. Years ago when we meet we were both Christians. Got married. Never found a good church but we weren't looking real hard either. Never really got grounded strong in God. We both studied though. So he's always had that knowledge. We had a great marriage until 2009. Our youngest son died. Had a disease. We didnt know he was sick. Just woke up and he was gone. It destroyed us both. Me and my boys got I'm church, my ex did not. He got a hatred for God. Completely turned on him.
 
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Misty9578

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But the bible does say fail not to assemble yourself in the house in the house of God.... Now that may not be exact wording. Give me a sec and ill find it.
 
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. Our youngest son died. Had a disease. We didnt know he was sick. Just woke up and he was gone. It destroyed us both. Me and my boys got I'm church, my ex did not. He got a hatred for God. Completely turned on him.
Misty, with tears i write to say how i sympathize. :(

and how i commend you for carrying on.

terrible ordeals such as this have a tendency to reveal what is already in our hearts.

i am surely praying for you and your dear family.
 
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Misty9578

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Some scriptures on importance of coming to the house of God.... Ps 84:4, heb 10:25, Luke 24:53 which tells how the apostles were continually in the temple worshipping God. And Luke 4:16 tells how Jesus went to the temple on the sabbath. That it was his custom. If it was Jesus's custom to assemble in Gods house then it should be ours. And if the apostles were continually in Gods house then I feel we should be too. The bible is our road map to heaven. It's our guide. I feel we should assemble first. Jesus said we will always have the poor to help but only him for a short while. Remember that? When they wanted to sell the ointment the woman had. We will always have the needy and poor to help but we need to put God first in our lives.
 
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Misty9578

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Thank u dear. I appreciate it.
 
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Its not an either/or lifestyle. Worshiping the Lord and living out the Gospel goes hand in hand.

Misty's husband is dead wrong to tell their children attending worship service is not needed.
 
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Thanks for all the insight. I see where u coming from on the American stand point. I'm a big history buff. I love history. I do believe our country is still far more blessed then others, though we are losing it little by little. It's becoming a sad place to live. I really liked the insight from the book of Daniel. But on his studying, I'm not sure. Years ago when we meet we were both Christians. Got married. Never found a good church but we weren't looking real hard either. Never really got grounded strong in God. We both studied though. So he's always had that knowledge. We had a great marriage until 2009. Our youngest son died. Had a disease. We didnt know he was sick. Just woke up and he was gone. It destroyed us both. Me and my boys got I'm church, my ex did not. He got a hatred for God. Completely turned on him.
My heart is grieved over your loss.

May the LORD bless you.
 
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purgedconscience

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Our next big issue is church. He don't believe in going to church. He tells my kids that its not needed. Ill quote verses to him and he'll say his fellowship is when he goes out and helps other people. I'm strongly for church. I go Sunday and Wednesday at my church and visit Tuesday and Thursdays at others when my time allows. Just curious how others felt about these issues. I'm pretty strong on my views on it but he's strong on his too.
The church is also referred to as the body of Christ and, as we all know, a body is made up of many different members which need each other:

I Corinthians chapter 12 verses 12 thru 27

For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also is Christ.
For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.
For the body is not one member, but many.
If the foot shall say, Because I am not the hand, I am not of the body; is it therefore not of the body?
And if the ear shall say, Because I am not the eye, I am not of the body; is it therefore not of the body?
If the whole body were an eye, where were the hearing? If the whole were hearing, where were the smelling?
But now hath God set the members every one of them in the body, as it hath pleased him.
And if they were all one member, where were the body?
But now are they many members, yet but one body.
And the eye cannot say unto the hand, I have no need of thee: nor again the head to the feet, I have no need of you.
Nay, much more those members of the body, which seem to be more feeble, are necessary:
And those members of the body, which we think to be less honourable, upon these we bestow more abundant honour; and our uncomely parts have more abundant comeliness.
For our comely parts have no need: but God hath tempered the body together, having given more abundant honour to that part which lacked:
That there should be no schism in the body; but that the members should have the same care one for another.
And whether one member suffer, all the members suffer with it; or one member be honoured, all the members rejoice with it.
Now ye are the body of Christ, and members in particular.


With this in mind, fellowship is definitely very important, but that might not always be able to be rightly recognized within a church setting. The reason that I say this is because some churches simply aren't teaching the truth or simply aren't receiving their instruction from Christ Who is supposed to be the Head of the body and that can create major problems. In the instances where somebody cannot find a good church to attend I'd still recommend fellowship with other believers as much as possible.
 
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Misty,
I ache seeing what you and your family have gone through, but if you keep trying to do what you seem determined to do, it will eat you alive and do you no good. You left your ex. You left him because you couldn't change him and couldn't take the man he was.

That bridge is crossed. The thing you're missing is you never will change him, nor are you responsible for changing him. Stop trying.

Of course, he has different opinions on stuff. Does it matter? Of course, your kids will be exposed to the differences. Does that matter? As long as he doesn't hurt them, you're stuck trusting him to love them even in his anger. God is still God and he's the one in control.

Focus on what does matter -- God and your kids.
 
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Misty9578

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We have a few really good churches where I live. Real Godly preaching. We have some that are heavily leaning into the world too. The church I go to and the ones I visit believe in correction. They'll preach the bible as it is and let u have what God gives them. We can't get to heaven without correction. We need it. It is vital to our salvation. My ex did go to church here and there when we were together. And some church friends from my Thursday night church that I visit finally got him to go up there. He didn't stay though. I don't want to really go into much more details then that about my ex because I just don't feel right. I try to let the past go and focus on now. Which is why I was wondering if these issues were me, rather then him. These are my children. They're going to be confused throughout their lives if we can't come to an understanding. And if I am right, then how do I get a man so set in his ways to come to an understanding? I believe only God can do that. And he has other issues. These are just the couple that we've been at ends with lately. Thanks so much everyone!
 
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Misty9578

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Misty,
I ache seeing what you and your family have gone through, but if you keep trying to do what you seem determined to do, it will eat you alive and do you no good. You left your ex. You left him because you couldn't change him and couldn't take the man he was.

That bridge is crossed. The thing you're missing is you never will change him, nor are you responsible for changing him. Stop trying.

Of course, he has different opinions on stuff. Does it matter? Of course, your kids will be exposed to the differences. Does that matter? As long as he doesn't hurt them, you're stuck trusting him to love them even in his anger. God is still God and he's the one in control.

Focus on what does matter -- God and your kids.
His views currently don't affect my two youngest but my oldest they do. This is something that I d have to deal with. The bible says to train up a child in the way of The Lord and he will not depart from it. I have to be careful what my children are taught. Would u, as a Christian, send ur child to a school that was taught them to be atheist? Of course not. Same thing here. It's our job as parents to show them the way. The path is narrow. I want my children to stay on that path.
 
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Misty9578

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If your ex is a born again Christian and is just mad at God, I would recommend giving him this comic book instead.



Here is the digital version for 99 cents (that you can check out yourself).

http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B00JLFM5P8/

And here is the paperback version:

http://www.kingstonemedia.com/biblecomics.php
thanks Jason, I've actually been a little iffy on those booklets. I remember some as a teen and I think they had a few things that weren't scripture. I read the KJV bible so I'm not certain. It's been years since I've read them but I think it was one about hell and it was way off what bible speaks of. It turned me against them. But as I said, it's been years since I read them.
 
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thanks Jason, I've actually been a little iffy on those booklets. I remember some as a teen and I think they had a few things that weren't scripture. I read the KJV bible so I'm not certain. It's been years since I've read them but I think it was one about hell and it was way off what bible speaks of. It turned me against them. But as I said, it's been years since I read them.
No book is going to be 100% perfect (Especially a comicbook because we really do not know the appearance of any person in Biblical history). The intent of the book is to lead him back to God. I was led to the Lord by a Chick Tract called "This Was Your Life", and the Lord used that imperfect tool to save me. Granted, if a book is promoting a concept that deals with Soteriology (i.e. The Study of Salvation) incorrectly, then that would be another matter. Anyways, you can download the comic and read it yourself to see if it is something that you think might reach him.

May the Lord's love, peace, and blessings be unto you.