Catholic Heresy (for the record)

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sparkman

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Beware of this guy's posts.

He is a follower of Herbert Armstrong's teachings. Amongst other things, they believe they are going to be literal members of the Godhead in the resurrection..basically they are Gods in embryo form who must live a perfect life before becoming a god themselves.

I was part of such a group so I know. The source of his information is here:

https://www.pcog.org/literature/22.3/the-unholy-roman-empire

He is simply cutting and pasting without attributing the source.

Daniel 2 a vision of a great image representing four successive kingdoms.

History proves these to be the Chaldean Empire, followed by the Persian,
then the Greco-Macedonian, and finally the Roman Empire.
These four were to continue right up to the Second Coming of Jesus Christ.

Daniel 7, the prophet describes four beasts, representing four Gentile kingdoms,
but with special attention on the fourth—the Roman Empire.

This beast has 10 horns, which says “are ten kings that shall arise”
out of, or after, the Roman Empire (verse 24).

Daniel also describes a “little horn” which grew among the 10 horns
and uprooted the first three (verse 8).


in Revelation 13 discusses one beast—which represents the fourth, the Roman Empire.
John lived during the rule of the Roman Empire when he wrote the book of Revelation,
the three previous kingdoms. They were already fulfilled prophecy!

a beast with seven heads and 10 horns, one head of which received a deadly wound.
Historians agree that the Roman Empire existed from 31 b.c. to a.d. 476,

at which point the kingdom was crushed. It died. But its deadly wound was healed as prophesied.
to be 10 resurrections to come out of that Roman Empire (just as Daniel said),
the first three of which were plucked up by the roots by the “little horn”

that they were not altogether Roman, but nevertheless ruled within the
ancient Roman territory after the empire collapsed. And that’s what happened.
Three barbaric tribes did rule in the region before Justinian restored the Roman Empire
in a.d. 554 and effectively healed the deadly wound.

in Revelation 17 ,a beast with seven heads, but none of these heads is wounded.
a woman,the Bible symbolizes as a church, is riding the beast.

She is called a whore in verse 1, and therefore symbolizes a great false church
which rides, or heavily influences, this political beast.

When Justinian recognized the supremacy of the pope in 554, the Roman Empire was revived. And because of its close association with the great false church, this empire eventually assumed the name Holy Roman Empire. Counting Justinian’s empire, there have been six major, historically documented resurrections of the so-called Holy Roman Empire—all of which have been heavily influenced, and in some cases dominated, by the Vatican.
 
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sparkman

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Who worships the sun? Do you worship Saturn since you fellowship on Saturday?

This accusation of sun worship is ridiculous. You know that Sundaygoers don't worship the sun, and to accuse them of idolatry is wicked.

I keep hearing people say this, but never a bible verse or history to back up.

where in the bible does God change the sabbath worship to sun worship?
 
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sparkman

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By the way, making that comment about sun worship displays the foolishness of your arguments. Sun worshipers worshipped the sun every day; not just on Sunday.

This is the typical kind of reasoning that some Sabbathkeepers use when making their accusations about Sundaygoers worshiping on the wrong day.

I am ashamed that I was one of them.

I keep hearing people say this, but never a bible verse or history to back up.

where in the bible does God change the sabbath worship to sun worship?
 
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Gr8grace

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By the way, making that comment about sun worship displays the foolishness of your arguments. Sun worshipers worshipped the sun every day; not just on Sunday.

This is the typical kind of reasoning that some Sabbathkeepers use when making their accusations about Sundaygoers worshiping on the wrong day.

I am ashamed that I was one of them.
Don't be ashamed. You have eyes to see a lot that we don't. Its a blessing in disguise......God uses all things for good.
 
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sparkman

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you missed part of that verse, about [things to come]you keep forgetting that.
Same language is used in Hebrews 10:1-2 in reference to the entire law, and in the context of animal sacrifices. They are in the same class of applicability..obsolete.

10:1 For since the law has but a shadow of the good things to come instead of the true form of these realities, it can never, by the same sacrifices that are continually offered every year, make perfect those who draw near. [SUP]2 [/SUP]Otherwise, would they not have ceased to be offered, since the worshipers, having once been cleansed, would no longer have any consciousness of sins?

Colossians 2: [SUP]16 [/SUP]Therefore let no one pass judgment on you in questions of food and drink, or with regard to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath. [SUP]17 [/SUP]These are a shadow of the things to come, but the substance belongs to Christ.

If you want to keep them, fine. Don't judge others for not keeping them...Christians who have placed their faith in Jesus Christ for salvation.
 
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sparkman

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There are several references to meetings on the first day of the week. In fact, Christ appeared to disciples on the first day of the week at least 4 times after the resurrection, and it is never recorded that he appeared on a Sabbath after the resurrection. That should make you wonder. Why wouldn't Christ appear on the Sabbath if it was so important after the crucifixion?

Regarding the sun worship issue, here is some detail concerning this from a book called Lying for God by Kerry Wynne. This book is available online in pdf form if anyone wants to download it. It is written by former SDAs.

Quote:
[FONT=Arial Narrow,BoldItalic]In his book From Sabbath to Sunday[/FONT][FONT=Arial Narrow,BoldItalic][/FONT][FONT=Arial Narrow,BoldItalic][/FONT], Dr. Bacchiocchi states that some historians believe that a 7-day calendar was in
widespread use in the Roman Empire by the latter part of the Second Century (150-199 AD.). The trouble is that the transition
from “Sabbath keeping” to Sunday observance was universal by 140 AD as conceded by Dr. Bacchiocchi himself. As we will
explain subsequently, the none of the Roman gods were worshiped on a weekly basis. But let us, for the sake of argument,
let us pretend for a moment that the Roman sun worshipers did get together on the day of their “week” that was named in
honor of the Sun. The Romans are using an eight-day week. It is the SECOND day of the eight-day Roman week that is
named in honor of the Sun. The Jews are using a seven-day week, and it is the 7
th day of their week that has been set aside
as their sacred day of worship. In this hypothetical case, the day of worship for the Sun worshipers would only fall on the

same day as the Jewish Sabbath occasionally.

Since the Romans did not worship their gods on a weekly basis, there was no such thing a day of sun worship during any
kind of a week that the Jewish Sabbath could be changed to, even if both weekly systems were the same! The followers of
any particular god visited that god’s temple whenever they felt the need, and there were special days of a calendar year set
aside to honor specific deities. Again, and for a somewhat different reason, we are faced with the impossibility that any worship
day was “changed.” There was no weekly day of sun worship that the papacy could have moved the Jewish Sabbath to. See
Appendix VIII for a body of evidence that this is so.

In 1997 Evangelical biblical scholar, Ralph Woodrow, startled the Christian world by publishing a book,
[FONT=Arial Narrow,Italic]The Two[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial Narrow,Italic] [/FONT][FONT=Arial Narrow,Italic]Babylons?(1966)
[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial Narrow,Italic][/FONT], which refuted virtually everything he had taught in his best-selling 1966 book, [FONT=Arial Narrow,Italic]The Two Babylons. [/FONT][FONT=Arial Narrow,Italic][/FONT]In the
1966 book he taught that a lot of Christian customs, including its day of worship, had been borrowed from the Pagans. Years
later Woodrow was informed by another scholar that his teachings were in error, and he determined set out to find out the
truth for himself. He had based
[FONT=Arial Narrow,Italic]The Two Babylons [/FONT][FONT=Arial Narrow,Italic][/FONT]largely on the work of a much earlier religious writer, Alexander Hislop
(1807-
1862). Woodrow began to examine Hislop’s sources. Soon discovered that those sources did not validate his claims!
Pursuing additional historical records, he managed to stumble across the historical research of D. M. Canright. In his 1997
book, he drew extensively from Canright’s findings to show that his initial premise
-- that Christians had borrowed a lot of
pagan customs-- was not true. The Christian world was impressed that he had the humility to admit that he was wrong and
to try to correct his error. Sunday observance could not have come from Pagans because they had no such custom to borrow
from.

End of quote.


As you probably know, Ralph Woodrow's books were commonly used by Armstrongites to support this sort of thing. I doubt they use the revised books after Ralph realized his errors, though.


I keep hearing people say this, but never a bible verse or history to back up.

where in the bible does God change the sabbath worship to sun worship?
 
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Jesus quoted 9 of the 10 commandments in the N.T.

The commandment He left out was keep Holy the Sabbath day.

It does not matter if you attend Church on any day of the week!

Why are people arguing about the Sabbath Day? It does NOT matter if you want to attend church on Saturday or Sunday!
 

Jackson123

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To Me, The fact that Pope promote one world government alone, prove that catholic is false religion.

Pretend to worship Jesus but is not.

It is more danger then Muslim.

Muslim openly deny Jesus as a God.

Catholic pretend to accept Jesus as a God but, covertly

And that is the danger.

If it is openly, christian know on the spot.

It is covertly and a lot of christian think catholic is christian.
 

Jackson123

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To Me, The fact that Pope promote one world government alone, prove that catholic is false religion.

Pretend to worship Jesus but is not.

It is more danger then Muslim.

Muslim openly deny Jesus as a God.

Catholic pretend to accept Jesus as a God but, covertly

And that is the danger.

If it is openly, christian know on the spot.

It is covertly and a lot of christian think catholic is christian.
 

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Before Constantine

The first recorded official persecution of Christians on behalf of [the Roman Empire] was in AD 64,
Emperor Nero attempted to blame Christians for the Great Fire of Rome. According to Church tradition,
it was during the reign of Nero that Peter and Paul were martyred in Rome

Their refusal to participate in Imperial cult was considered an act of treason and was thus punishable
by execution During the Great Persecution (303–311), the emperor ordered Christian buildings and
the homes of Christians torn down and their sacred books collected and burned.

Christians were arrested, tortured, mutilated, burned, starved, and condemned
to gladiatorial contests to amuse spectators
 

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Does everyone remember what happened when Pope John died? Literally millions of people lined up for days to look upon a dead Pope. Never before has the world seen one man get so much worship let alone a dead man. It dominated television for weeks and got the attention of the entire world. Isn't the Pope the only religious person that the President of the United States has ever bowed down too and kneeled before? No man should be worshipped. The Oxford dictionary defines an idol as: “An image used as an object of worship. A person or thing that is the object of excessive devotion.” I would have to respectfully disagree and say that the Pope is definitely worshipped.

disclaimer, from this web resorce, am not promoting site.

Catholic Church Error - Was Peter the First Pope?
 
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No! Peter was NEVER a Pope!

It was the Catholic Church that claimed Peter was the First Pope. They did this by twisting the Scripture Matt 16:18.

Matthew 16:13-18
[SUP]13 [/SUP] When Jesus came into the region of Caesarea Philippi, He asked His disciples, saying, "Who do men say that I, the Son of Man, am?"
[SUP]14 [/SUP] So they said, "Some say John the Baptist, some Elijah, and others Jeremiah or one of the prophets."
[SUP]15 [/SUP] He said to them, "But who do you say that I am?"
[SUP]16 [/SUP] Simon Peter answered and said, "You are the Christ, the Son of the living God."
[SUP]17 [/SUP] Jesus answered and said to him, "Blessed are you, Simon Bar-Jonah, for flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but My Father who is in heaven.
[SUP]18 [/SUP] And I also say to you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build My church, and the gates of Hades shall not prevail against it.

It was the Truth that God built His Church on not Peter and I can prove it. Why would God ever build His Church on a person who was a sinner? God's Church is a Holy Church. The Catholic Church is an Evil Church.

God's Church is built with Jesus Christ and the Disciples as the Foundation. The Catholic Church is built on the lies of men.

The Catholic Church is very decieftul and see's nothing wrong with telling lies.
 

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Does everyone remember what happened when Pope John died? Literally millions of people lined up for days to look upon a dead Pope. Never before has the world seen one man get so much worship let alone a dead man. It dominated television for weeks and got the attention of the entire world. Isn't the Pope the only religious person that the President of the United States has ever bowed down too and kneeled before? No man should be worshipped. The Oxford dictionary defines an idol as: “An image used as an object of worship. A person or thing that is the object of excessive devotion.” I would have to respectfully disagree and say that the Pope is definitely worshipped.

disclaimer, from this web resorce, am not promoting site.

Catholic Church Error - Was Peter the First Pope?
I read the link and I am wonder how in the world people follow this killer religion?
 
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The main difference between Christians and Catholics is we Christians look to God and everything Jesus has done for us to enter into Heaven.

The Catholics look to the Catholic Church and to themselves as to what the Catholic Church has done and what they themselves have done to enter into Heaven.

Our entering into Heaven is Faith based. The Catholics entering into Heaven is works based.

This was the main points that caused many believers to leave the Catholic Church.
 
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The main difference between Christians and Catholics is we Christians look to God and everything Jesus has done for us to enter into Heaven.

The Catholics look to the Catholic Church and to themselves as to what the Catholic Church has done and what they themselves have done to enter into Heaven.

Our entering into Heaven is Faith based. The Catholics entering into Heaven is works based.

This was the main points that caused many believers to leave the Catholic Church.
Please explain these "works" you are carrying on about
 

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Please explain these "works" you are carrying on about
In RCC terms that's sacraments. Simply the RCC attributes grace by receiving sacraments whereas God gives grace through faith by the hearing of Gods word the bible. The Holy Spirit is the active agent in making the hearing of the word of God a drawing and convincing effect to the sinner.

For the cause of Christ
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In RCC terms that's sacraments. Simply the RCC attributes grace by receiving sacraments whereas God gives grace through faith by the hearing of Gods word the bible. The Holy Spirit is the active agent in making the hearing of the word of God a drawing and convincing effect to the sinner.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
Baptism is a work? Are you baptised? Confessing our sins is a work? You dont confess your sins? Partaking in the Lord's Supper is a work? Do you not take the Lords Supper? Ill give you marriage! Anybody knows that's work! LOL. Annointing the sick is a work? Your church doesn't do this?

So these are all works we should not do according to you?