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christkid777

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I have to admit I find this discussion to be very interesting. I doubt that one who believes strongly a certain way could be easily moved to another. However we might consider what a mark represents. The mark of the beast is not the only mark spoken of in scripture. We also are sealed with a "mark" showing our relationship to Christ. The mark denotes ownership. We might ask ourselves "Where is our mark and what does it look like?"The truth is we don't know. We are sealed [or marked] with the Holy Spirit. That is in our hearts. It is only known to others by our actions. There have always been sins unto death. There have always been men in rebellion against God. If the reward of sin is death does it matter if you are killed with a gun or a knife? I don't think the question here is of a mark on the body but a mark on the soul. Whatever the mark is it has been in the heart of men from the beginning. If your heart belongs to Christ and you are marked with His Spirit saten cannot take you by force. I once heard an old preacher say the mark on the hand was those who profit from the world system weather they fully believe or not while those marked on the forehead represent those who know exactly what they are doing and put their full strength into it.
 
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onwingsaseagles

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MahogonySnail said:
You're joking right? Look up the meaning of the word mark in Greek, use strongs. It means stamp, etching, engraving..it's the same word used for the tattoo verse in Leviticus. Or perhaps you think God was forbidding the Israelites to implant verichips in themselves in the old testament LOL.
By the way the meaning of the Greek word "epi" is on, or upon.
Not "in" as you allege.
Some form of visible ink mark or tattoo would be the natural reading of the text.
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Now I know you are lying, Leviticus was written in Hebrew not Greek, you should know that.
 
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onwingsaseagles

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MahogonySnail said:
By the way the meaning of the Greek word "epi" is on, or upon.
Not "in" as you allege.
Some form of visible ink mark or tattoo would be the natural reading of the text.
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I do not allege it is what the bible says unless you think the Bible is wrong..... Oh yeah that is right you do think the Bible is wrong I almost forgot when you said that in another thread.
Revelation 13:16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
 
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Strong's Greek Definition for # 5480


5480 // caragma // charagma // khar'-ag-mah //

from the same as 5482 ; TDNT - 9:416,1308; n n

AV - mark 8, graven 1; 9

1) a stamp, an imprinted mark
1a) of the mark stamped on the forehead or the right hand as the
badge of the followers of the Antichrist
1b) the mark branded upon horses
2) thing carved, sculpture, graven work
2a) of idolatrous images


Strong's Greek Definition for # 1909



1909 // epi // epi // ep-ee' //

a root; prep

AV - on 196, in 120, upon 159, unto 41, to 41, misc 339; 896

1) upon, on, at, by, before
2) of position, on, at, by, over, against
3) to, over, on, at, across, against
 
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The natural reading of the text would be a mark is placed upon or on the hand or forehead, not implanted in.
Mark does not mean computer chip. That should be obvious.
 
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Of course i know Leviticus was in Hebrew, I meant the meaning of the word is similar. It's a cut or mark or etching, not implant. That should be obvious.
 
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onwingsaseagles

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MahogonySnail said:
The natural reading of the text would be a mark is placed upon or on the hand or forehead, not implanted in.
Mark does not mean computer chip. That should be obvious.
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It say in i believe in.
 
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onwingsaseagles

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MahogonySnail said:
Of course i know Leviticus was in Hebrew, I meant the meaning of the word is similar. It's a cut or mark or etching, not implant. That should be obvious.
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That is not what you said.
MahogonySnail said:
You're joking right? Look up the meaning of the word mark in Greek, use strongs. It means stamp, etching, engraving..it's the same word used for the tattoo verse in Leviticus.
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Are we back tracking? Do you now retract your previous statement?
 
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onwings it appears you are just looking to argue not to find the truth of what the mark is or isn't. By "it's the same word" I meant:

I meant the meaning of the word is similar.

So you focus on the word "in" and reject what the word "mark" means? hmm lol. You know, even if it were "in", I think christkid's suggestion that it could be symbolic of in the mind ie in our thoughts seems more plausible than a verichip.
 
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sweetnshy

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onwingsaseagles said:
It say in i believe in.
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Well onwings.....my Bible says "on," not "in." I just looked it up. So rather than saying you'll believe what the Bible says, it looks like you should say you believe what your translation says. :p
 
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yeah if you look up the meaning for the word epi is either on, in , upon , could be either of those.







here's some cases where it says upon or on...

KJV:

Rev 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshiped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

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Rev 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was given to them. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for the witness of Jesus and for the Word of God, and who had not worshiped the beast nor his image, nor had received his mark on their foreheads, nor in their hands. And they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
 
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supernova1976

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Wow. This is a lot to catch up on lol. First of all thank you for your support guys, secondly to Mahogony, I believe that we can all see this differently. To me? I don't get too carried away by if the mark is a tatoo, or a sticker etc.....what I do pay attention to is the fact that without it we cannot buy or sell, and I think God is warning us for a reason. This is why he says that some of this calls for wisdom. You mentioned show me in the bible where it says it is a "microchip", well let's use some logic for a moment. This passage was writtten SEVERAL years ago, way before the invention of technology, the computer etc....how could John have possibly known what a microchip was?I mean think about it "debit cards, cell phones, text messaging, the internet," don't you think that would have just looked plain odd in scripture back then to the writers? I think they would have added a sentence like "whatever that means" lol or something. i think he was writing down the message with the best of his understanding. Perhaps God didn't shout out "microchip" for a reason only he understands. Remember he is God. He wants to test us. God doesn't want to just give out all the answers, that is the reason for faith. We are living in the times where we are about to show God, to prove to God that we truly believe. Why else do you think he says he will come like a thief in the nigth? he wants our faith to be real. If he said "hey, I will be back on March 12 2020 at 5:30 p.m." don't you think we , or most of us, would start doing things to look our best?Let's not get carried away whether or not it is a micro chip (which I do believe it is) or not, the truth is, God warns us that without it we cannot buy or sell. Keep focusing upon that as well. We cannot "buy or sell"........ this truly calls for wisdom.
 
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Rosinsky

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onwingsaseagles said:
Revelation 13:16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
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As of right now, no one knows the exact nature of the mark. But we assume that it will be visible since we do know that it will be on the forehad or on the right hand.

Owingsaseagles, you are quoting from the KJV. The NKJV corrected the "in" to "on."

Rev 13:16 - And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: KJV

Rev 13:16 - He causes all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hand or on their foreheads, (NKJV)

Rev 13:16 - He also forced everyone, small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on his right hand or on his forehead, NIV

Rev 13:16 - And he causes all, the small and the great, and the rich and the poor, and the free men and the slaves, to be given a mark on their right hand or on their forehead, (NASB)

I have looked this verse up on several versions and all, except for the KJV, indicates that it will be "on" the skin (forehead or right hand).

Lastly, as Moho already pointed out, according to the Lexicon, the Greek word epi means the following:

1) upon, on, at, by, before
2) of position, on, at, by, over, against
3) to, over, on, at, across, against


It makes more sense, in context, that the mark will be on the skin and not under it.
 
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supernova1976

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I personally believe that we are playing word games with on, upon, in front of.....Satan is really getting into this conversation.
 
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onwingsaseagles

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MahogonySnail said:
onwings it appears you are just looking to argue not to find the truth of what the mark is or isn't. By "it's the same word" I meant:

I meant the meaning of the word is similar.

So you focus on the word "in" and reject what the word "mark" means? hmm lol. You know, even if it were "in", I think christkid's suggestion that it could be symbolic of in the mind ie in our thoughts seems more plausible than a verichip.
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The thing is I know what the mark of the beast is, and further more I know satan doesn't want us to realize that the micro ''veri'' chip is the mark of the beast until it is too late. I am giving you your warning now. DO NOT RECEIVE THE MARK.
 
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onwingsaseagles

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supernova1976 said:
I personally believe that we are playing word games with on, upon, in front of.....Satan is really getting into this conversation.
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I agree satan has having his way with the minds of many so called christians now days.
 
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onwingsaseagles

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Rosinsky said:
As of right now, no one knows the exact nature of the mark. But we assume that it will be visible since we do know that it will be on the forehad or on the right hand.

Owingsaseagles, you are quoting from the KJV. The NKJV corrected the "in" to "on."

Rev 13:16 - And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: KJV

Rev 13:16 - He causes all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hand or on their foreheads, (NKJV)

Rev 13:16 - He also forced everyone, small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on his right hand or on his forehead, NIV

Rev 13:16 - And he causes all, the small and the great, and the rich and the poor, and the free men and the slaves, to be given a mark on their right hand or on their forehead, (NASB)

I have looked this verse up on several versions and all, except for the KJV, indicates that it will be "on" the skin (forehead or right hand).

Lastly, as Moho already pointed out, according to the Lexicon, the Greek word epi means the following:

1) upon, on, at, by, before
2) of position, on, at, by, over, against
3) to, over, on, at, across, against


It makes more sense, in context, that the mark will be on the skin and not under it.
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Not to be insultive, but I give little to no credence to your opinions and even less to mahogony's.
 
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supernova1976

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owningaeagles.........we know the truth. We can only do our part at trying to chip away at those who refuse to hear the truth, when they accept the mark it is too late. All we can do is keep trying. Don't let them get you down. You know we are in the truth.
 
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onwingsaseagles

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supernova1976 said:
owningaeagles.........we know the truth. We can only do our part at trying to chip away at those who refuse to hear the truth, when they accept the mark it is too late. All we can do is keep trying. Don't let them get you down. You know we are in the truth.
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God bless you fellow soldier for the Lord.
 
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WhereToGo

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Based on everything I have researched and studied I would also have to agree that the mark appears to be the RFID/veri-chip. We are only one bad attack, anywhere on the globe, away from hearing "Everyone needs this so we can know who the terrorists are. Only a terrorist wouldn't want these and would be scared of being tracked!"

If you think that can't happen in the blink of an eye, take another look at how the world has changed over the last decade.
 
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