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I showed you the Shepherd of Hermes. You have no idea what I preach, you've never bothered to have a civil conversation with me. The Word of God will stand, regardless of you or me. Hippolytus was much like you, intellegent but rebellious. In the end he gained the wisdom to be a man under authority. I hope you will also.
I'll post it again, just to refresh your memory, charis...
3rd vision
"You will tell, therefore, those who preside over the Church, to direct their
ways in righteousness, that they may receive in full the promises with great
glory. Stand steadfast, therefore, ye who work righteousness, and doubt
not, that your passage may be with the holy angels. Happy ye who
endure the great tribulation that is coming on, and happy they who shall
not deny their own life. For the Lord hath sworn by His Son, that those who
denied their Lord have abandoned their life in despair, for even now
these are to deny Him in the days that are coming."
4th vision
"Twenty days after the former vision I saw another vision, brethren a
representation of the tribulation that is to come. I was going to a country
house along the Campanian road. Now the house lay about ten furlongs
from the public road. The district is one rarely traversed. And as I walked
alone, I prayed the Lord to complete the revelations which He had made
to me through His holy Church, that He might strengthen me, and give
repentance to all His servants who were going astray, that His great and
glorious name might be glorified because He vouchsafed to show me His
marvels. And while I was glorifying Him and giving Him thanks, a voice, as
it were, answered me, Doubt not, Hermas; and I began to think with
myself, and to say, What reason have I to doubt I who have been
established by the Lord, and who have seen such glorious sights? I
advanced a little, brethren, and, lo! I see dust rising even to the heavens. I
began to say to myself, Are cattle approaching and raising the dust? It
was about a furlong’s distance from me. And, lo! I see the dust rising more
and more, so that I imagined that it was something sent from God. But the
sun now shone out a little, and, lo! I see a mighty beast like a whale, and
out of its mouth fiery locusts proceeded. But the size of that beast was
about a hundred feet, and it had a head like an urn. I began to weep,
and to call on the Lord to rescue me from it. Then I remembered the word
which I had heard, Doubt not, O Hermas. Clothed, therefore, my brethren,
with faith in the Lord, and remembering the great things which He had
taught me, I boldly faced the beast. Now that beast came on with such
noise and force, that it could itself have destroyed a city. I came near it,
and the monstrous beast stretched itself out on the ground, and showed
nothing but its tongue, and did not stir at all until I had passed by it. Now
the beast had four colors on its head-black, then fiery and bloody, then
golden, and lastly white. Now after I had passed by the wild beast, and
had moved forward about thirty feet, lo! a virgin meets me, adorned as if
she were proceeding from the bridal chamber, clothed entirely in white,
and with white sandals, and veiled up to her forehead, and her head was
covered by a hood. And she had white hair. I knew from my former visions
that this was the Church, and I became more joyful. She saluted me, and
said, Hail, O man! And I returned her salutation, and said, Lady, hail! And
she answered. and said to me, Has nothing crossed your path? I say, I was
met by a beast of such a size that it could destroy peoples, but through
the power of the Lord and His great mercy I escaped from it. Well did you
escape from it, says she, because you cast your care on God, and
opened your heart to the Lord, believing that you can be saved by no
other than by His great and glorious name. On this account the Lord has
sent His angel, who has rule over the beasts, and whose name is Thegri,
and has shut up its mouth, so that it cannot tear you. You have escaped
from great tribulation on account of your faith, and because you did not
doubt in the presence of such a beast. Go, therefore, and tell the elect of
the Lord His mighty deeds, and say to them that this beast is a type of the
great tribulation that is coming. If then ye prepare yourselves, and repent
with all your heart, and turn to the Lord, it will be possible for you to
escape it, if your heart be pure and spotless, and ye spend the rest of the
days of your life in serving the Lord blamelessly. Cast your cares upon the
Lord, and He will direct them. Trust the Lord, ye who doubt, for He is allpowerful,
and can turn His anger away from you, and send scourges on
the doubters. Woe to those who hear these words, and despise them:
better were it for them not to have been born. I asked her about the four
colors which the beast had on his head. And she answered, and said to
me, Again you are inquisitive in regard to such matters. Yea, Lady, said I,
make known to me what they are. Listen, said she: the black is the world
in which we dwell: but the fiery and bloody points out that the world must
perish through blood and fire: but the golden part are you who have
escaped from this world. For as gold is tested by fire, and thus becomes
useful, so are you tested who dwell in it. Those, therefore, who continue
steadfast, and are put through the fire, will be purified by means of it. For
as gold casts away its dross, so also will ye cast away all sadness and
straitness, and will be made pure so as to fit into the building of the tower.
But the white part is the age that is to come, in which the elect of God will
dwell, since those elected by God to eternal life will be spotless and pure.
Wherefore cease not speaking these things into the ears of the saints. This
then is the type of the great tribulation that is to come. If ye wish it, it will
be nothing. Remember those things which were written down before. And
saying this, she departed. But I saw not into what place she retired. There
was a noise, however, and I turned round in alarm, thinking that that
beast was coming.
3rd vision
"You will tell, therefore, those who preside over the Church, to direct their
ways in righteousness, that they may receive in full the promises with great
glory. Stand steadfast, therefore, ye who work righteousness, and doubt
not, that your passage may be with the holy angels. Happy ye who
endure the great tribulation that is coming on, and happy they who shall
not deny their own life. For the Lord hath sworn by His Son, that those who
denied their Lord have abandoned their life in despair, for even now
these are to deny Him in the days that are coming."
4th vision
"Twenty days after the former vision I saw another vision, brethren a
representation of the tribulation that is to come. I was going to a country
house along the Campanian road. Now the house lay about ten furlongs
from the public road. The district is one rarely traversed. And as I walked
alone, I prayed the Lord to complete the revelations which He had made
to me through His holy Church, that He might strengthen me, and give
repentance to all His servants who were going astray, that His great and
glorious name might be glorified because He vouchsafed to show me His
marvels. And while I was glorifying Him and giving Him thanks, a voice, as
it were, answered me, Doubt not, Hermas; and I began to think with
myself, and to say, What reason have I to doubt I who have been
established by the Lord, and who have seen such glorious sights? I
advanced a little, brethren, and, lo! I see dust rising even to the heavens. I
began to say to myself, Are cattle approaching and raising the dust? It
was about a furlong’s distance from me. And, lo! I see the dust rising more
and more, so that I imagined that it was something sent from God. But the
sun now shone out a little, and, lo! I see a mighty beast like a whale, and
out of its mouth fiery locusts proceeded. But the size of that beast was
about a hundred feet, and it had a head like an urn. I began to weep,
and to call on the Lord to rescue me from it. Then I remembered the word
which I had heard, Doubt not, O Hermas. Clothed, therefore, my brethren,
with faith in the Lord, and remembering the great things which He had
taught me, I boldly faced the beast. Now that beast came on with such
noise and force, that it could itself have destroyed a city. I came near it,
and the monstrous beast stretched itself out on the ground, and showed
nothing but its tongue, and did not stir at all until I had passed by it. Now
the beast had four colors on its head-black, then fiery and bloody, then
golden, and lastly white. Now after I had passed by the wild beast, and
had moved forward about thirty feet, lo! a virgin meets me, adorned as if
she were proceeding from the bridal chamber, clothed entirely in white,
and with white sandals, and veiled up to her forehead, and her head was
covered by a hood. And she had white hair. I knew from my former visions
that this was the Church, and I became more joyful. She saluted me, and
said, Hail, O man! And I returned her salutation, and said, Lady, hail! And
she answered. and said to me, Has nothing crossed your path? I say, I was
met by a beast of such a size that it could destroy peoples, but through
the power of the Lord and His great mercy I escaped from it. Well did you
escape from it, says she, because you cast your care on God, and
opened your heart to the Lord, believing that you can be saved by no
other than by His great and glorious name. On this account the Lord has
sent His angel, who has rule over the beasts, and whose name is Thegri,
and has shut up its mouth, so that it cannot tear you. You have escaped
from great tribulation on account of your faith, and because you did not
doubt in the presence of such a beast. Go, therefore, and tell the elect of
the Lord His mighty deeds, and say to them that this beast is a type of the
great tribulation that is coming. If then ye prepare yourselves, and repent
with all your heart, and turn to the Lord, it will be possible for you to
escape it, if your heart be pure and spotless, and ye spend the rest of the
days of your life in serving the Lord blamelessly. Cast your cares upon the
Lord, and He will direct them. Trust the Lord, ye who doubt, for He is allpowerful,
and can turn His anger away from you, and send scourges on
the doubters. Woe to those who hear these words, and despise them:
better were it for them not to have been born. I asked her about the four
colors which the beast had on his head. And she answered, and said to
me, Again you are inquisitive in regard to such matters. Yea, Lady, said I,
make known to me what they are. Listen, said she: the black is the world
in which we dwell: but the fiery and bloody points out that the world must
perish through blood and fire: but the golden part are you who have
escaped from this world. For as gold is tested by fire, and thus becomes
useful, so are you tested who dwell in it. Those, therefore, who continue
steadfast, and are put through the fire, will be purified by means of it. For
as gold casts away its dross, so also will ye cast away all sadness and
straitness, and will be made pure so as to fit into the building of the tower.
But the white part is the age that is to come, in which the elect of God will
dwell, since those elected by God to eternal life will be spotless and pure.
Wherefore cease not speaking these things into the ears of the saints. This
then is the type of the great tribulation that is to come. If ye wish it, it will
be nothing. Remember those things which were written down before. And
saying this, she departed. But I saw not into what place she retired. There
was a noise, however, and I turned round in alarm, thinking that that
beast was coming.
M
They have been teaching this lie to the congregation for so long that it is near impossible for them to face the shame of teaching such a great lie. So they must 'rationalize' away sound doctrine instead of showing humility and repenting, this shall be there folly in the last days. What a shame they continue to teach the lie.
you know what, charis, since we're using non-cannonical writings here, I'll even post the Didache, the Epistle of Barnabas, and The Constitutions of the Holy Apostles...
Didache, Chapter XVI
"Watch for your life’s sake. Let not your lamps be quenched, nor your loins
unloosed; but be ye ready, for ye know not the hour in which our Lord
cometh. But often shall ye come together, seeking the things which are
befitting to your souls: for the whole time of your faith will not profit you, if
ye be not made perfect in the last time. For in the last days false prophets
and corrupters shall be multiplied, and the sheep shall be turned into
wolves, and love shall be turned into hate; for when lawlessness
increaseth, they shall hate and persecute and betray one another, and
then shall appear the world-deceiver as Son of God, and shall do signs
and wonders, and the earth shall be delivered into his hands, and he shall
do iniquitous things which have never yet come to pass since the
beginning. Then shall the creation of men come into the fire of trial, and
many shall be made to stumble and shall perish; but they that endure in
their faith shall be saved from under the curse itself. And then shall appear
the signs of the truth; first, the sign of an out-spreading in heaven; then the
sign of the sound of the trumpet; and the third, the resurrection of the
dead; yet not of all, but as it is said: The Lord shall come and all His saints
with Him. Then shall the world see the Lord coming upon the clouds of
heaven."
Epistle of Barnabas, XV (concerning the Six Day Theory, which taught expectancy, not an imminent return)
"And God made in six days the works of His hands, and made an end on
the seventh day, and rested on it, and sanctified it." Attend, my children,
to the meaning of this expression, "He finished in six days." This implieth that
the Lord will finish all things in six thousand years, for a day is with Him a
thousand years. And He Himself testifieth, saying, "Behold, to-day will be as
a thousand years." Therefore, my children, in six days, that is, in six
thousand years, all things will be finished. "And He rested on the seventh
day." This meaneth: when His Son, coming [again], shall destroy the time
of the wicked man, and judge the ungodly, and change the-sun, and the
moon, and the stars, then shall He truly rest on the seventh day."
Epistle of Barnabas, IV (concerning the persecution of the church by Antichrist)
"The final stumbling-block (or source of danger) approaches, concerning
which it is written, as Enoch says, "For for this end the Lord has cut short the
times and the days, that His Beloved may hasten; and He will come to the
inheritance." And the prophet also speaks thus: "Ten kingdoms shall reign
upon the earth, and a little king shall rise up after them, who shall subdue
under one three of the kings." In the like manner Daniel says concerning
the same, "And I beheld the fourth beast, wicked and powerful, and the
more savage than all the beasts of the earth and how from it sprang up
ten horns, and out of them a little budding horn, and how it subdued
under one three of the ten horns. ... We take earnest heed in these last
days; for the whole (past) time of your faith will profit you nothing, unless
now in this wicked time we also withstand coming sources of danger, as
becometh sons of God. That the Black One may find no means of
entrance, let us flee from every vanity, let us utterly hate the works of the
way of wickedness."
Constitutions of the Holy Apostles, Book VII, XXXI, XXXII (concerning persecution of the church by Antichrist)
"Be watchful for your life. "Let your loins be girded about, and your lights
burning, and ye like unto men who wait for their Lord, and when He will
come, at even, or in the morning, or at cock-crowing, or at midnight. For
at what hour they think not, the Lord will come; and if they open to Him,
blessed are those servants, because they were found watching. For He will
gird Himself, and will make them to sit down to meat, and will come forth
and serve them." Watch therefore, and pray, that ye do not sleep unto
death. For your former good deeds will not profit you, if at the last part of
your life you go astray from the true faith. For in the last days false
prophets shall be multiplied, and such as corrupt the Word; and the sheep
shall be changed into wolves, and love into hatred: for through the
abounding of iniquity the love of many shall wax cold. For men shall hate,
and persecute, and betray one another. And then shall appear the
deceiver of the world, the enemy of the truth, the prince of lies, whom the
Lord Jesus "shall destroy with the Spirit of His mouth, who takes away the
wicked with His lips; and many shall be offended at Him. But they that
endure to the end, the same shall be saved. And then shall appear the
sign of the Son of man in heaven; and afterwards shall be the voice of a
trumpet by the archangel; and in that interval shall be the revival of those
that were asleep. And then shall the Lord come, and all the saints with
Him, with a great concussion above the clouds, with the angels of His
power, in the throne of His kingdom, to condemn the devil, the deceiver
of the world, and to render to every one according to his deeds. "Then
shall the wicked go away into everlasting punishment, but the righteous
shall go into life eternal," to inherit those things "which eye hath not seen,
nor ear heard, nor have entered into the heart of man, such things as
God hath prepared for them that love Him."
I've already posted that these men were futurists and not historicists...
you want teaching based in history of the church, post-tribulation was taught, NOT pre-trib.
If pre-tribulation was so important, it would of been taught in the early church.
If pre-tribulation was so important, it would be profoundly evident within all of history in the church.
If pre-tribulation was so important to the Second Coming of Jesus Christ, as ALL pre-tribbers and dispensationalists say, then this doctrine would of stayed hidden from mankind for over 1800 years!
"important" doctrines like this don't just pop up out of nowhere, like pre-tribulation and dispensationalism did in the early 1800's... they would have a firm foundation within the Word of God and within the church for over a millennium, and yet you have nothing that proves that whatsoever... all you have are misinterpretations, assumptions and scriptures taken out of context all based on a lie started by a seducing spirit that uttered it's way into the church by way of a little girl in 1830.
Truth does not hide itself for over a millennium.
Truth stands the test of time.
Post-tribulation has stood the test of time over and over again
it is the Word of God that says in 2 Thessalonians "let no one deceive you"...
and you have been deceived.
Didache, Chapter XVI
"Watch for your life’s sake. Let not your lamps be quenched, nor your loins
unloosed; but be ye ready, for ye know not the hour in which our Lord
cometh. But often shall ye come together, seeking the things which are
befitting to your souls: for the whole time of your faith will not profit you, if
ye be not made perfect in the last time. For in the last days false prophets
and corrupters shall be multiplied, and the sheep shall be turned into
wolves, and love shall be turned into hate; for when lawlessness
increaseth, they shall hate and persecute and betray one another, and
then shall appear the world-deceiver as Son of God, and shall do signs
and wonders, and the earth shall be delivered into his hands, and he shall
do iniquitous things which have never yet come to pass since the
beginning. Then shall the creation of men come into the fire of trial, and
many shall be made to stumble and shall perish; but they that endure in
their faith shall be saved from under the curse itself. And then shall appear
the signs of the truth; first, the sign of an out-spreading in heaven; then the
sign of the sound of the trumpet; and the third, the resurrection of the
dead; yet not of all, but as it is said: The Lord shall come and all His saints
with Him. Then shall the world see the Lord coming upon the clouds of
heaven."
Epistle of Barnabas, XV (concerning the Six Day Theory, which taught expectancy, not an imminent return)
"And God made in six days the works of His hands, and made an end on
the seventh day, and rested on it, and sanctified it." Attend, my children,
to the meaning of this expression, "He finished in six days." This implieth that
the Lord will finish all things in six thousand years, for a day is with Him a
thousand years. And He Himself testifieth, saying, "Behold, to-day will be as
a thousand years." Therefore, my children, in six days, that is, in six
thousand years, all things will be finished. "And He rested on the seventh
day." This meaneth: when His Son, coming [again], shall destroy the time
of the wicked man, and judge the ungodly, and change the-sun, and the
moon, and the stars, then shall He truly rest on the seventh day."
Epistle of Barnabas, IV (concerning the persecution of the church by Antichrist)
"The final stumbling-block (or source of danger) approaches, concerning
which it is written, as Enoch says, "For for this end the Lord has cut short the
times and the days, that His Beloved may hasten; and He will come to the
inheritance." And the prophet also speaks thus: "Ten kingdoms shall reign
upon the earth, and a little king shall rise up after them, who shall subdue
under one three of the kings." In the like manner Daniel says concerning
the same, "And I beheld the fourth beast, wicked and powerful, and the
more savage than all the beasts of the earth and how from it sprang up
ten horns, and out of them a little budding horn, and how it subdued
under one three of the ten horns. ... We take earnest heed in these last
days; for the whole (past) time of your faith will profit you nothing, unless
now in this wicked time we also withstand coming sources of danger, as
becometh sons of God. That the Black One may find no means of
entrance, let us flee from every vanity, let us utterly hate the works of the
way of wickedness."
Constitutions of the Holy Apostles, Book VII, XXXI, XXXII (concerning persecution of the church by Antichrist)
"Be watchful for your life. "Let your loins be girded about, and your lights
burning, and ye like unto men who wait for their Lord, and when He will
come, at even, or in the morning, or at cock-crowing, or at midnight. For
at what hour they think not, the Lord will come; and if they open to Him,
blessed are those servants, because they were found watching. For He will
gird Himself, and will make them to sit down to meat, and will come forth
and serve them." Watch therefore, and pray, that ye do not sleep unto
death. For your former good deeds will not profit you, if at the last part of
your life you go astray from the true faith. For in the last days false
prophets shall be multiplied, and such as corrupt the Word; and the sheep
shall be changed into wolves, and love into hatred: for through the
abounding of iniquity the love of many shall wax cold. For men shall hate,
and persecute, and betray one another. And then shall appear the
deceiver of the world, the enemy of the truth, the prince of lies, whom the
Lord Jesus "shall destroy with the Spirit of His mouth, who takes away the
wicked with His lips; and many shall be offended at Him. But they that
endure to the end, the same shall be saved. And then shall appear the
sign of the Son of man in heaven; and afterwards shall be the voice of a
trumpet by the archangel; and in that interval shall be the revival of those
that were asleep. And then shall the Lord come, and all the saints with
Him, with a great concussion above the clouds, with the angels of His
power, in the throne of His kingdom, to condemn the devil, the deceiver
of the world, and to render to every one according to his deeds. "Then
shall the wicked go away into everlasting punishment, but the righteous
shall go into life eternal," to inherit those things "which eye hath not seen,
nor ear heard, nor have entered into the heart of man, such things as
God hath prepared for them that love Him."
I've already posted that these men were futurists and not historicists...
you want teaching based in history of the church, post-tribulation was taught, NOT pre-trib.
If pre-tribulation was so important, it would of been taught in the early church.
If pre-tribulation was so important, it would be profoundly evident within all of history in the church.
If pre-tribulation was so important to the Second Coming of Jesus Christ, as ALL pre-tribbers and dispensationalists say, then this doctrine would of stayed hidden from mankind for over 1800 years!
"important" doctrines like this don't just pop up out of nowhere, like pre-tribulation and dispensationalism did in the early 1800's... they would have a firm foundation within the Word of God and within the church for over a millennium, and yet you have nothing that proves that whatsoever... all you have are misinterpretations, assumptions and scriptures taken out of context all based on a lie started by a seducing spirit that uttered it's way into the church by way of a little girl in 1830.
Truth does not hide itself for over a millennium.
Truth stands the test of time.
Post-tribulation has stood the test of time over and over again
it is the Word of God that says in 2 Thessalonians "let no one deceive you"...
and you have been deceived.
M
Do we not live with those people today??? Child torturers and murderers and all. We are separate for we have the truth that is in Christ.
All words of Christ:
John 17:15
15 I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil.
22Blessed are ye, when men shall hate you, and when they shall separate you from their company, and shall reproach you, and cast out your name as evil, for the Son of man's sake.
23Rejoice ye in that day, and leap for joy: for, behold, your reward is great in heaven: for in the like manner did their fathers unto the prophets.
All words of Christ:
John 17:15
15 I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil.
22Blessed are ye, when men shall hate you, and when they shall separate you from their company, and shall reproach you, and cast out your name as evil, for the Son of man's sake.
23Rejoice ye in that day, and leap for joy: for, behold, your reward is great in heaven: for in the like manner did their fathers unto the prophets.
M
Joint-heir wrote:
YOUR 1 COR 15:52 AND MY 1 THESS 4:16-17 ARE 2 DIFFERENT TIME SETTINGS
Lets post them again:
1 Cor 15
52In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
1 Thes 4
16For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
17Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
NOT EVEN THE FALSE PROPHETS AT RAPTURE READY BELIEVE THAT AND THEY BEEN TELLING THIS LIE ALOT LONGER THAN YOU.
RAPTURE READY QUOTE:
Because Paul, in 1 Cor. 15:52 and 1 Thes 4:16, said believers would be raptured at the sounding of a trump, many folks have tried to make it appear that the rapture trumps are the same trumpets found in Revelation 11:15-18
As far out and wacky there teachings are they don't expect people to believe these are separate events.
YOUR 1 COR 15:52 AND MY 1 THESS 4:16-17 ARE 2 DIFFERENT TIME SETTINGS
Lets post them again:
1 Cor 15
52In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
1 Thes 4
16For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
17Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
NOT EVEN THE FALSE PROPHETS AT RAPTURE READY BELIEVE THAT AND THEY BEEN TELLING THIS LIE ALOT LONGER THAN YOU.
RAPTURE READY QUOTE:
Because Paul, in 1 Cor. 15:52 and 1 Thes 4:16, said believers would be raptured at the sounding of a trump, many folks have tried to make it appear that the rapture trumps are the same trumpets found in Revelation 11:15-18
As far out and wacky there teachings are they don't expect people to believe these are separate events.
WHAT TRULLY BAFFLES ME
ABOUT THE FACT THAT
APOSTLE PAUL
WHO NOT ONLY
WROTE BOTH OF THESE
BUT
HOW CLEAR HE WAS IN THE DISTINCTION OF THEM BOTH
BEING SEPARATE EVENTS
1 CORINTHIANS 15:52
AND
1 THESSALONIANS 4:16
WHICH MEANS
HAD THESE BOTH BEEN THE SAME TIME EVENTS
THEN PAUL
WOULD HAVE SPECIFICED THEM TO BE BOTH ...........THE LAST TRUMP
BUT HE DID NOT
HE DISTINGUISHED THERE WAS A DIFFERENCE IN THE TRUMPS
DO YOU HONESTLY BELIEVE FROM THE TIME PAUL WAS IN CORINTH UNTIL
THE TIME HE WROTE HIS FIRST LETTER TO THESSALONIA
THAT HE WOULD HAVE NOT REMEMBERED
OOOOPS YOU KNOW WHAT
I WROTE LAST TRUMP IN CORINTH
WHY THEN WOULD I NOT WRITE THAT TO THESSALONIA
IF
THEY
WERE IN FACT THE SAME ???
NOW
WE ARE SPEAKING ABOUT A MAN
A LAWYER
BRILLIANT
WROTE 2/3 OF NEW TESTAMENT
I DO BELIEVE HE WOULD NOT MAKE THIS MISTAKE AT ALL
SO
SINCE IT IS BEYOND ALL MEASURE OF CLARITY
WE HAVE ALWAYS KNOWN
THAT PAUL
WROTE ABOUT 2 SEPARATE BUT LIKE EVENTS
1 FOR THE RAPTURE
2 FOR THE 2ND ADVENT COMING OF CHRIST
IT IS PRETTY BAD THAT YOU
SO-CALLED OPINIONATED EXPERTS
CANT EVEN FIGURE
THAT MUCH OUT FOR
YOURSELVES
G
See what Clement and Polycarp had to say about a pretrib rapture
http://www.bibleprophesy.org/clement.htm
http://www.bibleprophesy.org/clement.htm
M
You need to get a King James version so you don't keep posting scripture out of context:
1A soft answer turneth away wrath: but grievous words stir up anger.
Whos wrath? God wrath silly. Grievous words make who angry, they anger the Lord. This is so throughout the bible when answering the Lord.
2The tongue of the wise useth knowledge aright: but the mouth of fools poureth out foolishness.
This should apply to you for implying that v1 pertains to me for calling the rapture doctrine is a lie and heresy.
The political correct and soothsayers that pour out foolishness, you probably love to listen too.
1A soft answer turneth away wrath: but grievous words stir up anger.
Whos wrath? God wrath silly. Grievous words make who angry, they anger the Lord. This is so throughout the bible when answering the Lord.
2The tongue of the wise useth knowledge aright: but the mouth of fools poureth out foolishness.
This should apply to you for implying that v1 pertains to me for calling the rapture doctrine is a lie and heresy.
The political correct and soothsayers that pour out foolishness, you probably love to listen too.