Young Earth Creation. Does it matter what you believe?
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DiscipleDave said
Not self proclaimed, but what others say of me. Now this is misunderstood when i give testimony of what God has done in my life, when i testify that God has had many conversations with me, and He had told me a great many things, that are past and many things that are yet to come to pass, When i tell people i KNOW what is going to happen in the future because God has told me what is going to happen, people have a tendency to believe i am self-proclaiming this stuff, but i am most clear where this knowledge has come from, and have NEVER given the credit to myself, as if the knowledge i teach comes from my own intellect or from my own studies or from my own understanding. What i teach is what God has told me. Therefore if you do not believe what i teach, it is not i that you disagree with but God who told me these things.
Those who Truly have the Holy Ghost within them, will know the voice of Truth when they hear it, for all His sheep know their Masters voice. If you do not believe me and what i teach then you do not believe God who told me these things that i teach. if i am lying let every disease in the world come upon me, and not me only but all those that love me and that i love. Let me die a horrible painful long suffering death if i am lying and let me also burn in Hell fire for all eternity. But i tell you the Truth, God has spoke with me on many different occasions, teaching me what He wanted me to teach the world. And He even told me, that this generation would not hear it. i asked Him, then why teach them? He told me so that they would not be able to plead ignorance when they stand before Him on Judgment Day. i tell you the Truth, if you do not believe it, then you do not believe God who told me these things. God also told me, it is not my calling to convince anyone of the truth, but to merely present it. So then i tell you what He has told me. If you disagree, then you do not disagree with me, but God who told me these things.
Rev 21:8 All liars shall burn in the Lake of Fire and Brimstone. if i am lying, then i am a LIAR. But if i am telling you the Truth and you disagree with that Truth, then it is you that believes a lie.
^i^ Responding to post # 752
Those who Truly have the Holy Ghost within them, will know the voice of Truth when they hear it, for all His sheep know their Masters voice. If you do not believe me and what i teach then you do not believe God who told me these things that i teach. if i am lying let every disease in the world come upon me, and not me only but all those that love me and that i love. Let me die a horrible painful long suffering death if i am lying and let me also burn in Hell fire for all eternity. But i tell you the Truth, God has spoke with me on many different occasions, teaching me what He wanted me to teach the world. And He even told me, that this generation would not hear it. i asked Him, then why teach them? He told me so that they would not be able to plead ignorance when they stand before Him on Judgment Day. i tell you the Truth, if you do not believe it, then you do not believe God who told me these things. God also told me, it is not my calling to convince anyone of the truth, but to merely present it. So then i tell you what He has told me. If you disagree, then you do not disagree with me, but God who told me these things.
Rev 21:8 All liars shall burn in the Lake of Fire and Brimstone. if i am lying, then i am a LIAR. But if i am telling you the Truth and you disagree with that Truth, then it is you that believes a lie.
^i^ Responding to post # 752
DiscipleDave said
Not self proclaimed, but what others say of me. Now this is misunderstood when i give testimony of what God has done in my life, when i testify that God has had many conversations with me, and He had told me a great many things, that are past and many things that are yet to come to pass, When i tell people i KNOW what is going to happen in the future because God has told me what is going to happen, people have a tendency to believe i am self-proclaiming this stuff, but i am most clear where this knowledge has come from, and have NEVER given the credit to myself, as if the knowledge i teach comes from my own intellect or from my own studies or from my own understanding. What i teach is what God has told me. Therefore if you do not believe what i teach, it is not i that you disagree with but God who told me these things.
Those who Truly have the Holy Ghost within them, will know the voice of Truth when they hear it, for all His sheep know their Masters voice. If you do not believe me and what i teach then you do not believe God who told me these things that i teach. if i am lying let every disease in the world come upon me, and not me only but all those that love me and that i love. Let me die a horrible painful long suffering death if i am lying and let me also burn in Hell fire for all eternity. But i tell you the Truth, God has spoke with me on many different occasions, teaching me what He wanted me to teach the world. And He even told me, that this generation would not hear it. i asked Him, then why teach them? He told me so that they would not be able to plead ignorance when they stand before Him on Judgment Day. i tell you the Truth, if you do not believe it, then you do not believe God who told me these things. God also told me, it is not my calling to convince anyone of the truth, but to merely present it. So then i tell you what He has told me. If you disagree, then you do not disagree with me, but God who told me these things.
Rev 21:8 All liars shall burn in the Lake of Fire and Brimstone. if i am lying, then i am a LIAR. But if i am telling you the Truth and you disagree with that Truth, then it is you that believes a lie.
^i^ Responding to post # 752
I do not doubt your sincerity, but I think you are self-deceived 
What? Because He has not spoken to you, it is not possible for God to speak to others?
Is it not written in the last days God spirit will pour out on the sons and daughters and they shall prophesy? Is it God's fault that people of this generation does not know what that entails.
God spoke to people in the past. God speaks to people today. And God will speak to people tomorrow.
Tell me, in the last days, would it not behoove God even the more to talk to people to try to reveal to people His Truths as a last attempt?
Woe to this generation which takes thought that God does not communicate with people any more, because they will not believe those who He actually does speak to and converse with, now will they?
Which is ironic, because God only speaks to those who believe that He still speaks to people audibly. A person must first believe that He does, before He will. But if this generation does not believe God speaks to people any more, then God does not speak to those who lack Faith that He does. But there are a few left, that He can use to teach His Word, because they have Faith that He does.
^i^ Responding to post #823
My friend if you really were God's prophet you would be far too busy doing God's work to be wasting time dealing with trivialities on this site.
Furthermore it is quite clear that your pronouncements are not true prophecy. God speaks to us all. But none of us can genuinely claim what we say as the voice of God. (even those who think they can).
And with this comment I close the debate.
Furthermore it is quite clear that your pronouncements are not true prophecy. God speaks to us all. But none of us can genuinely claim what we say as the voice of God. (even those who think they can).
And with this comment I close the debate.
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You have to look at it from God's perspective...
Isaiah 45:
[SUP]12[/SUP] I have made the earth, and created man upon it: I, even my hands, have stretched out the heavens, and all their host have I commanded.
I believe this verse indicates the possibility / probability that the stars - at one time - were a lot closer to each other. ( And, of course, to the Earth. )
Do you think we could be seeing light now that left the stars before they were "stretched out"...?
The answer is simple for God -- not so much for us -- but, this is where faith in God comes in...
Isaiah 45:
[SUP]12[/SUP] I have made the earth, and created man upon it: I, even my hands, have stretched out the heavens, and all their host have I commanded.
I believe this verse indicates the possibility / probability that the stars - at one time - were a lot closer to each other. ( And, of course, to the Earth. )
Do you think we could be seeing light now that left the stars before they were "stretched out"...?
The answer is simple for God
-- not so much for us -- but, this is where faith in God comes in...
The 'firmament' is the first heaven.
The stars are in the second heaven.
The word 'heavens' in the verse is plural.
The word 'their' refers back to 'heavens'; therefore, the phrase 'all their host' is talking about "things in the heavens"; therefore, He has commanded "all [ of the ] things" ( which are the 'host' ) in the heavens. The stars are part of what He has 'commanded'. The stars are part of the 'host'. The 'host' is in the heavens. He stretched out the heavens. Whatever was in the heavens was "stretched out" with it. The word 'stretched' implies "substance" ( [ absolutely ] 'nothing' cannot be stretched ) -- if the part of the heavens that He stretched contained [ absolutely ] nothing but a vacuum, what actually got stretched?
What else is "in the heavens" besides the stars?
In the context of this verse -- at the very absolute least -- He commanded "all of the things" that were contained in the "expanse of space" that He "stretched out" --- SO -- the stars are in that "expanse of space"...
"It's amazing what you can get out of a verse if you really try to understand what it is actually saying..."
The 'firmament' is the first heaven.
The stars are in the second heaven.
The word 'heavens' in the verse is plural.
The word 'their' refers back to 'heavens'; therefore, the phrase 'all their host' is talking about "things in the heavens"; therefore, He has commanded "all [ of the ] things" ( which are the 'host' ) in the heavens. The stars are part of what He has 'commanded'. The stars are part of the 'host'. The 'host' is in the heavens. He stretched out the heavens. Whatever was in the heavens was "stretched out" with it. The word 'stretched' implies "substance" ( [ absolutely ] 'nothing' cannot be stretched ) -- if the part of the heavens that He stretched contained [ absolutely ] nothing but a vacuum, what actually got stretched?
What else is "in the heavens" besides the stars?
In the context of this verse -- at the very absolute least -- He commanded "all of the things" that were contained in the "expanse of space" that He "stretched out" --- SO -- the stars are in that "expanse of space"...
The 'firmament' is the first heaven.
The stars are in the second heaven.
The word 'heavens' in the verse is plural.
The word 'their' refers back to 'heavens'; therefore, the phrase 'all their host' is talking about "things in the heavens"; therefore, He has commanded "all [ of the ] things" ( which are the 'host' ) in the heavens. The stars are part of what He has 'commanded'. The stars are part of the 'host'. The 'host' is in the heavens. He stretched out the heavens. Whatever was in the heavens was "stretched out" with it. The word 'stretched' implies "substance" ( [ absolutely ] 'nothing' cannot be stretched ) -- if the part of the heavens that He stretched contained [ absolutely ] nothing but a vacuum, what actually got stretched?
What else is "in the heavens" besides the stars?
In the context of this verse -- at the very absolute least -- He commanded "all of the things" that were contained in the "expanse of space" that He "stretched out" --- SO -- the stars are in that "expanse of space"...
Mainly -- this verse:
Genesis 1:
[SUP]20[/SUP] And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.
Do birds fly in outer space? Or, just in the atmosphere above the earth?
Genesis 1:
[SUP]20[/SUP] And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.
Do birds fly in outer space? Or, just in the atmosphere above the earth?
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you certainly have a right to your view point,but i seem to remember reading about a guy who went against the churches view point the religious leaders of that time excommunicated him from the church for what he said,but guess what the church and their view point was wrong and this man who was excommunicated was right.What am i talking about the churches view point was that the earth was the center of the universe.What was the mans view point,that the earth along with other planets went around the sun.What i'm trying to say is that although i don't agree with everything scientist say regarding the earth and the universe,i don't discard everything they say either.like when a scientist says there are stars 2 million light years away, even though i know it to be an educated guess i don't say the bible is saying that they are wrong because i know it is very possible that the universe is that big and very possibly more than that.I'm not trying to insult you but when a scientists says a star or stars are 2 million light years away that means it took the light from those stars 2 million years to reach earth that makes the earth at least 2 million years old.Genesis 1:1 shows us that the earth was created the same time the rest of the universe was created,now if you are saying that people have been on the earth around 6000 years i can agree with that.
Gravity affects the passage of time. We know gravity slows down time. Time very well may have been passing very slowly on earth during day four of the creation week. God could have had time passing at an extraordinarily fast rate in deep space, thus one day on earth may have been two million years way out in deep space.
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That's the church? What church is that? The government church? The real church? Any church? Do you remember?
Light from something else doesn't mean the earth is the age of that thing.
If light from a star is only reaching the earth and a newborn baby now, that doesn't mean the baby had to
wait around x years
Amen. Though I think 'science' disputes that. I find per common sense, as well as per Isaiah the prophet, that God
did not create the earth waste and void. Nor would He need to
Light from something else doesn't mean the earth is the age of that thing.
If light from a star is only reaching the earth and a newborn baby now, that doesn't mean the baby had to
wait around x years
Amen. Though I think 'science' disputes that. I find per common sense, as well as per Isaiah the prophet, that God
did not create the earth waste and void. Nor would He need to
So you believe that God is NOT the same yesterday, today, and forever? Did He not speak with people in the past? Who teaches that God stops speaking to people but the false teachers of this generation.
What? Because He has not spoken to you, it is not possible for God to speak to others?
Is it not written in the last days God spirit will pour out on the sons and daughters and they shall prophesy? Is it God's fault that people of this generation does not know what that entails.
God spoke to people in the past. God speaks to people today. And God will speak to people tomorrow.
Tell me, in the last days, would it not behoove God even the more to talk to people to try to reveal to people His Truths as a last attempt?
Woe to this generation which takes thought that God does not communicate with people any more, because they will not believe those who He actually does speak to and converse with, now will they?
Which is ironic, because God only speaks to those who believe that He still speaks to people audibly. A person must first believe that He does, before He will. But if this generation does not believe God speaks to people any more, then God does not speak to those who lack Faith that He does. But there are a few left, that He can use to teach His Word, because they have Faith that He does.
^i^ Responding to post #823
Says you.
Here is one of many examples. i was working a full time job and going to school when i was 16. One day i was driving home, it was close to midnight. i wanted to get home because i had school in the morning. On the way home, i heard "David" scared me out of my wits. i looked in the back seat to see if someone had gotten into my car and was talking to me. When i seen nobody there, i realized it was God. i said "Yes Lord" He then said in an audible voice. "Next road turn left" i said "OK" i then came up on a gravel road that was heading left. i turned on it, this was going the opposite way of my home. After about twenty minutes of driving on this road, i started doubting myself and what i heard. i convinced myself that i was just hearing things, that i was tired is all, that i did not hear the Lord. So i told myself that i was going to turn around the next driveway that i seen. Then i came up onto a bridge and there was a girl sitting on the edge of the bridge, and when i drove by her, it looked like she was crying. So i pulled over on the other side of the bride, and walked up to her, and asked if everything was alright, she was indeed crying, and she told me to go away that she did not want to be bothered. i then sat down beside her, i have been a Christian my whole life, and can not remember a time that i was not a Believer in Jesus, started to talk to her that God loves her and has plans for her. She then, very rudely, told me that God just allowed her to be raped by her boyfriend and four of his friends, and that they just dumped her out here in the middle of nowhere, and now she was contemplating suicide to "Show them". She wanted to die, she was going to kill herself, she did not want to face them ever again. i started to talk about God again, and she flat out told me, to stop talking about God because He just let all that happen to her. Well i sat there in silence, if i could not talk to her about God, then i did not know what to say to her. Then God spoke to me again saying "Tell her to join the military" i immediately looked at her to see if she heard God too, she did not hear anything at all. So i told her, "What you need to do is join the military" She then very rudely told me that was the dumbest thing she had ever heard, and that i should just leave her alone and go. i said to her, "Dumb or not, it is what you should do" She continues to cry, and continued to ask me to leave, i told her that i was not leaving her at all, until i was dropping her off someplace. So we sat there on that bridge for what seemed an eternity to me at that time. But finally she said "Fine" and got up and started heading to my car, and i followed. Then we drove around, turning here, turning there, for about another half hour. i was so lost as to where i was at. But i dropped her off and watched her go up to the house and knock on the door then went in, then i took off. i tried to find that house again to check up on her, but could never find that house again. Jumping forward two years. i was in the Air Force in Florida, and i get a call from that girl. She said she has been looking for me for over two years to thank me for her life. Apparently she joined the military the very next day that i dropped her off, and she is now married to a wonderful Christian man and they have a kid together and another on the way. i plainly told her, that she needed to thank God, not me, and i told her that God told me to tell you to join the military. She then told me, she thanks God every single day for her new life. Apparently she tracked me down by the car i drove, a candy apple red 1973 Dodge Charger. Took her two years, and she did that from another state because she and her husband were both military. So tell me, was that me that told her to join the military or what it God that plainly told me to tell her to join the military?
This same voice that i have heard my whole life, (ceased in 1994, because i ran from God then, don't want to talk about it) i have had conversations with, i would ask any Biblical question that i had, and God would answer it. And also He told me many things that is going to happen in the future, all of which line up with the Bible perfectly. He taught me the understanding of the Word of God. He has spoken with me many times.
One time i was working and i heard a thump, thump, BAM!!! and then yelling in a stairwell for help. i went to investigate and went into the stairwell and there was a man on the floor, with a pool of blood getting bigger and bigger by his head, this man fell down from above, hitting the window ledges and the steel stringers all the way down. He was not moving. i did not want to move the man because there might be spinal damage, but the man was not breathing and i could not feel a heartbeat. This mans friend was saying over and over again "Oh, God. Oh, God" It looked like i was going to perform CPR, so i had to turn him on his back, this i did, then checked vitals again. Yep i was going to have to perform CPR. Then God said to me "Give God the Glory" So then instead of performing CPR on that man, and getting the Glory of saving this mans life, i placed my hands on the mans chest over his heart, and told the other man to "Pray with me" and then he started praying. i said "in the name of Jesus Christ, breath." and immediately the man started gasping for air. ALIVE. When the paramedics arrived i told them that God told me to give Him the Glory and Jesus brought that man back to life, everyone thought i was crazy. But i KNOW to whom speaks with me, even if this generation doesn't believe it. So you can think i am crazy too. What is that to me if you don't believe God speaks to people audibly today, like He has always done before?
Responding to POst # 825
a debate is closed when one party or the other stops responding,