Rev.13:12

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Does Rev.13:12 sound like a "One World religion"?
 
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scotland was never a part of a roman world.

when did rome have control of who god saves or dose not save.
if there is one god, then there is one belief in that god. (this is a christian belief in god in accord with the holy bible)
so is believing in a god all you need. ( clue why seed for peter. )

At Caesarea there was a man named Cornelius, a centurion of what was known as the Italian Cohort,2 a devout man who feared God with all his household, gave alms generously to the people, and prayed continually to God.3 About the ninth hour of the day he saw clearly in a vision an angel of God come in and say to him, "Cornelius."4 And he stared at him in terror and said, "What is it, Lord?" And he said to him, "Your prayers and your alms have ascended as a memorial before God.5 And now send men to Joppa and bring one Simon who is called Peter.6 He is lodging with one Simon, a tanner, whose house is by the sea."7 When the angel who spoke to him had departed, he called two of his servants and a devout soldier from among those who attended him,8 and having related everything to them, he sent them to Joppa.Acts 10


corneliius believed in a god. yet was told to send for peter. (you can read the rest to find out why)acts 10
 
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There are 2 main beasts shown in Rev. 13, the first one comes from the sea and is global, the other beast is from the earth. The one you refer to in Rev. 13:12 is the false prophet image, which is symbolic of the spirit of antichrist that came, and still is working in many deceivers as written.

Revelation 13:11-12 "And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.[SUP]12 [/SUP]And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed."
 
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0 I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and I heard behind me a loud voice like a trumpet11 saying, "Write what you see in a book and send it to the seven churches, to Ephesus and to Smyrna and to Pergamum and to Thyatira and to Sardis and to Philadelphia and to Laodicea."Revelation 1


revelation is not a read as wrote book.

3 Blessed is the one who reads aloud the words of this prophecy, and blessed are those who hear, and who keep what is written in it, for the time is near.Revelation 1:

but will give you a blessing by reading it.

quoting it as read as wrote without explaining, seems pointless.
 

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0 I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and I heard behind me a loud voice like a trumpet11 saying, "Write what you see in a book and send it to the seven churches, to Ephesus and to Smyrna and to Pergamum and to Thyatira and to Sardis and to Philadelphia and to Laodicea."Revelation 1


revelation is not a read as wrote book.

3 Blessed is the one who reads aloud the words ofthis prophecy, and blessed are those who hear, and who keep what is written in it, for the time is near.Revelation 1:

but will give you a blessing by reading it.

quoting it as read as wrote without explaining, seems pointless.
chapter 13 not 3 lol.

Revelation 13:12 (KJV) And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.
 
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There are 2 main beasts shown in Rev. 13, the first one comes from the sea and is global, the other beast is from the earth. The one you refer to in Rev. 13:12 is the false prophet image, which is symbolic of the spirit of antichrist that came, and still is working in many deceivers as written.

Revelation 13:11-12 "And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.[SUP]12 [/SUP]And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed."
This may also help some to understand....

The false prophet spirit (spirit of a lie) is at work in many deceivers as written, let's confirm by scripture

So this spirit working in many deceivers may come in the name of Christ, and even portray that same visible outward image,(sheep’s clothing, or like a lamb) but their doctrine prove they are truly of the Dragon. (speaks lies like the Dragon, or Devil=father of lies)


Jesus said in
Matthew 24:5 “For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.” And also in Luke 21:8 “And he said, Take heed that ye be not deceived: for many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and the time draweth near: go ye not therefore after them.”

So again, we see many deceivers who will put on that outward lamb image, but those that know Christs voice shall also know they speak like a Dragon.
(lies)


Also we read in
Revelation 13:13 “And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men, So these false prophets will work wonders, but note the last part of that verse “in the sight of men”, which means in the eyes of men they will be great wonders. But we are told in the next verse that he “deceives them that dwell on the earth by means of those miracles” So they are false miracles(or even lying wonders)

2 Thessalonians 2:9 “Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,”
Alright, before I get back to the “eyes of men” part, let’s confirm again how there were to be many false prophets doing signs and wonders. Matthew 24:24 “For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

Mark 13:22 “For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall shew signs and wonders, to seduce, if it were possible, even the elect.
And again here in 1 John 4:1 “Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.” So that confirms without a doubt by many verses of scripture that there would be many false prophets who would be of that same spirit of antichrist showing signs and lying wonders in the sight of men.
 
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I guess I should have been more specific.

Does - "and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast,"

Does that sound like a "One World Religion"?
 
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yes........political + religion. In other words, church + state
 

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There are 2 main beasts shown in Rev. 13, the first one comes from the sea and is global, the other beast is from the earth. The one you refer to in Rev. 13:12 is the false prophet image, which is symbolic of the spirit of antichrist that came, and still is working in many deceivers as written.

Revelation 13:11-12 "And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.[SUP]12 [/SUP]And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed."
the beast from the sea was the Roman empire. its seven head were seven emperors. the second beast, the antichrist, was the Roman religion.
 
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the beast from the sea was the Roman empire. its seven head were seven emperors. the second beast, the antichrist, was the Roman religion.
Though I would agree the start of the 4th and final beast would originate with the start of the Roman empire, and be in place waiting to devour the man-child as soon as it was born. I would disagree the 4th beast ended with the fall of the Roman Empire. The 4th beast has all the body parts of the previous 3 and would grow and become a global beast made up of all nations peoples and tongues.

Also the 7 heads go back farther than the Roman Empire. And though the antichrist spirit was present during the apostles ministry, "it" is still present "in" all those who deny Jesus Christ. Notice the 4th beast shown to Daniel would be different from the first 3, and would devour the whole earth, proving it would grow to global proportions.

Daniel 7:23
Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces.

Here is a study I put together showing how the 7 headed beast is of all nations, peoples, and tongues....




Revelation 13:1-3 “And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.2 And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.3 And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.”

I know many want to know who the 7 heads and the ten horns are, but that really isn’t the important part here. The important part is understanding this beast is global, meaning the beast is from all nations, peoples and tongues. And what is also important to understand is how this beast gets its power, and that is by the red dragon.

So how do we know this beast is global? First notice he rises out of the sea. The sea in scripture often symbolizes the nations. This is also shown as “many waters” in scripture. Notice the woman sits on the same scarlet colored beast in Revelation 17:3 “So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns.”

Many people believe that the woman in Revelation is a brick and mortar city like Jerusalem, as some also believe the scarlet colored beast she rides on is also limited to a specific geographic location. But scriptures prove both these ideas to be false because the imagery of the woman and the beast are global and affect all the nations of the world, and even all the inhabitants of the earth. So let’s confirm this point by scripture.

Revelation 17:1-3 “And there came one of the seven angels which had the seven vials, and talked with me, saying unto me, Come hither; I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great whore that sitteth upon
many waters: 2 With whom the kings of the earthhave committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication.3 So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast,
full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns.”

First thing notice where the woman sits.She sits on the
scarlet colored beast, which is also the many waters. So the scarlet colored beast is in the many waters, and here is where she sits in
Revelation 17:15 “And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues.”

This confirms what Revelation 17:2 has already stated the beast she sits on is made up of the "kings of the earth" and "inhabitants of the earth" This means the beast is global, and so is the effects of the Harlot because they have all been made drunk with the wine of her fornication.”


Some more confirmation of the “many waters” as referring to the nations of the world is shown here in Isaiah 17:13 The nations shall rush like the rushing of many waters: but God shall rebuke them, and they shall flee far off, and shall be chased as the chaff of the mountains before the wind, and like a rolling thing before the whirlwind.”

Jesus also spoke of the
nations as the sea of waters in
Luke 21:25 And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;” So one could say the scarlet colored beast is symbolic of the serpent in the red sea.

This sign of the serpent, or dragon in the sea was shown in Job as Leviathan the crooked serpent and also here in
Psalm 74:14 “Thou brakest the heads of leviathan in pieces, and gavest him to be meat to the people inhabiting the wilderness.”

The people inhabiting the wilderness, are like those wandering the wilderness of
sin. But the Lord will judge him with His sword as shown here in
Isaiah 27:1 “In that day the Lord with his sore and great and strong sword shall punish leviathan the piercing serpent, even leviathan that crooked serpent; and he shall slay the dragon that is in the sea.”

So the heads are really not that critical when you understand that all kings, kingdoms, and nations on this earth have been deceived by Satan through his spirit working in them. How do we know this? Because of sin, just as it is written
1 John 3:8 “He that commits sin is of the devil;
 
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I guess I should have been more specific.

Does - "and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast,"

Does that sound like a "One World Religion"?
If doing the lusts of their father the Devil is considered a religion, then I would say yes. LOL Notice here....

Revelation 13:3-4 "And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.[SUP]4 [/SUP]And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?"

How does "all the world" worship the Red Dragon (aka Old Serpent, the Devil, Satan)? They do the works of their father the Devil, his desire and the lusts thereof=sin
 
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I guess I should have been more specific.

Does - "and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast,"

Does that sound like a "One World Religion"?

Yes, the two-horned beast (the divided "Western" and "Eastern" Roman Empire) intended but never fully succeeded "One World Religion"--------a counterfeit form of Christianity sponsored and promoted by the Roman authority (Vatican-----Roman Catholic Church) in a Roman style and for the interest of the Roman Empire, whose most doctrines are contrary to God`s commandments and the teachings of Jesus Christ.
 
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Does Rev.13:12 sound like a "One World religion"?
This is the false prophet that will follow the man of sin in the Great Tribulation period.

Under this false prophet will be a mix of apostate/false Christianity mixed with another religion as we see now days with the mixture of the Catholic church with Muslims. This 1st and 2nd beast in Revelation 13 will not be a revised Roman empire as some have been told, as the bible clearly says this final system lead by these two individuals will be different then the previous ones.

You can not take and understand this without taking the book of Daniel into consideration, as it shows what this system will be made up of as it is a combination of the original Babylonian, Medio-Persian, and eastern Roman empire. Instead of being separate they will be all in one under the control of a political leader (man of sin) and a religious leader (false prophet).

The bible shows clearly it will be made up of past kingdoms/empires not a worldwide system.
People have been influenced to much by western culture interjection into the scriptures and do not realize that the system that is lead in the end times when combining OT prophecies with the NT prophecies is Muslim territories.
 
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This is the false prophet that will follow the man of sin in the Great Tribulation period..

So what do you say the "TWO HORNS" represent?
 
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So what do you say the "TWO HORNS" represent?
I did explain that in my previous post that it is apostate/false Christianity mixed with another false religion.

Iron mixed with clay, because you have two factions the eastern Roman countries such as Greece and Turkey mixed with the other nations from the Babylonian and Medio-Persian empires such as Iraq, Iran, Jordan, Lebanon, Egypt, Ethiopia, Sudan, and Syria. These countries are the main areas discussed in the OT prophecies and if you count them you will see there are 10, and these follow the man of sin to destroy Mystery Babylon (Saudi Arabia).
 
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Makes me a little nervous when I see these guys meeting under the quise of unity.

The social 'gospel' agenda of Rick and Kay Warren, as evidenced by Rick's P.E.A.C.E. plan, is ripe for biblical compromise and unwittingly contributes to the development of what the Bible prophesies will be the Antichrist's one-world religion." The "conversion" that Archbishop Chaput alludes to is clearly designed to draw people into that same religious system.


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Does Rev.13:12 sound like a "One World religion"?
The second beast is not the one world religion,but it is the representative of the first beast,that is the spiritual leader of the one world religious system.This is speaking of a single man that is the representative of the first beast,although the second beast is the spiritual leader of the one world religious system and he prepares the way for the man of sin before he arrives.

It is a single man for the Bible says that he does wonders and miracles,which he does to convince the world that the beast has harnessed the power of nature and achieved power,which he shared this power with the second beast,which the world will believe that the beast has the power to establish his kingdom and obtain peace on earth,and no foe will be able to stand against him.

The woman that rides a scarlet colored beast in Revelation 17 is the one world religious system,which the Bible says the 10 horns hate the whore,the woman,and get rid of her,and that is because the man of sin recognizes no god,and exalts himself above all that is called God or is worshipped,so all religions will collapse.

The world will operate by a one world religious system,and a one world government,for three and one half years,which the world will be split in to ten sections,with a leader in each section,which are the ten horns,but the one world government will not be able to handle the problems,so the one world government will collapse,so they turn to the beast,and then all religions will collapse.

That is the purpose of the beast,the man of sin,to cause the collapse of all governments and religions,to establish a kingdom that is all about people with no governmental or religious authority above them,based on the belief of no God above them,and can harness the power of nature and achieve power,which the man of sin will be in to witchcraft,and not honor any God,but in his estate he shall honor the God of forces.

Some people think that this system happened years ago but this is not true,because it says everybody in the world worships the beast,which could not have happened years ago because only by technology could this happen,because the world would have to able to communicate and come together to cause this to happen.The whole world comes together to solve their problems and eventually cut God out of the picture,which could never happen years ago without technology.

Also the book of Revelation talks of the battle of Armageddon,that is a war between God and the beast kingdom,which God says He is going to gather all nations together to fight against Jerusalem,Israel,which we know could not have happened years ago because the whole world has never came together and fought Israel.

So the beast kingdom is a future event that will include all nations coming together to solve their problems,in which they accept the beast to solve their problems,and do not acknowledge any God,which we know has never happened before in the history of mankind.

When has all nations come together as a kingdom,and how can they do it without technology to be able to communicate with each other,and to travel to each other,to come to one mind to do this.

The Roman Empire years ago,or any other kingdom years ago,never had control of the whole world,although the beast kingdom will stem from the Roman Empire,for the devil will use the power base of the Europeans to establish the beast kingdom,and any other nation that has been European influenced.
 
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I totally agree with InTheSpirit as he showed that in Revelation 13:12 one must search the verses just before. When doing so it shows how the spirit of the antichrist will deceive. It is not a one world religion but a deception that many will fall into. When studying/reading Revelation one must first Pray for GOD to Reveal what is hidden within.

Blessings!!!!!!!
 
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I totally agree with InTheSpirit as he showed that in Revelation 13:12 one must search the verses just before. When doing so it shows how the spirit of the antichrist will deceive. It is not a one world religion but a deception that many will fall into. When studying/reading Revelation one must first Pray for GOD to Reveal what is hidden within.

Blessings!!!!!!!

The problem here though is the bible speaks of two separate forms of the antichrist;

1) spirit of antichrist - that now is and has been in the world for a while working through others to deceive people

2) Last days end times figure antichrist - that also is given the titles of man of sin, 1st beast, prince of this world, son of perdition.

When studying end times biblical prophecies you have to learn to discern between the two, and use Jewish customs and traditions to understand what was being referred to when written.