Is there a break in Daniel's 70 weeks? (Daniel 9:26)

[InSpiritInTruth]

Neither you nor anyone else has any right to lay down exactly what the Abomination of Desolation mentioned by Jesus would consist of.

And notice though Ken claimed this....Kens quote "No just by being there in Jerusalem was not the A.O.D. as Daniel, Jesus, Paul, and Revelation all show that it has to be the exact act of defiling the temple by standing in it claiming to be God and setting up an idol in it."[end quote]



Funny how Ken says the scriptures say the above as the "exact act" but where are the scriptures from Daniel, Jesus, Paul, and Revelation that record this "exact act"? Perhaps Ken will provide those scriptures about "the exact act" mentioned above when he also comes up with the scriptures asked for on the other thread about his claim that antichrist is single man figure yet to come in the future. (won't hold breath)

 

[valiant]

Whether you are a preterist that believes Daniel's 70th 'seven' (week of 7 years) was fulfilled in 70 AD or a futurist that believes Daniel's 70th week is yet to be fulfilled, you must place a break in Daniel 9:26, between the end of the 69th week in 33 AD (when Jesus Christ was cut off) and the beginning of the 70th.

If you do not accept a break, where do you place the beginning and end of Daniel's 70 weeks?

many would agree that the seventieth seven begins with the opening of Jesus' ministry, contains in its midst the result of the cross in making sacrifices redundant, and ends when the church was scattered abroad around the time of Stephen so that the times of the Gentiles began.

The consequence of the latter was the later destruction of Jerusalem, and a period of continuing troubles which will continue to 'the end'

 

[gotime]

1. It does not say the sacrifice will be cut off because it was no more needed, that would be a mistake, because a sacrifice never took away sin, 2. The Holy of Holies had not been in real service forever, the high priest never died entering in, even in sin, because the presence of God had left along time agao (most likely before babylon) and never re-entered after, because Israel was always in sin)
2. Jesus did not stop sacrifice, they kept going on, up until the time the temple was destroyed in 70 AD (even today, they are trying to figure out how to sacrifice again, and rebuild the temple)
3. The sacrifice is stopped because of the abomination of desolation ( which jesus said will happen at the end of days)

so everything you just said is based on a false premis. don;t you think?

Indeed the Jews did continue to sacrifice and offer offerings but they were meaningless. the true sacrifice had come the Old was obsolete at the cross, hence the reason the vale tore in two signifying the end of the earthly temple sacrificial system.

Hebrews makes it clear that Jesus put an end to that system and thus the sacrifices and offerings ceased for all Christians of the new covenant.

If you are speaking of those Jews who rejected Christ and continued to offer sacrifices well they are not the ones we should be looking at. I would suggest that it is your primes that is false with respect. We should be looking at those who accepted Jesus as the messiah and for them the sacrifices and offerings did indeed cease at the death of Jesus. The whole temple and the earthly priesthood ceased at the cross as Christ became our offering and sacrifice the one who all the animal sacrifices pointed to.

So if the animal sacrifices and offerings and temple service were only designed to point to the true which is Jesus then how can they not cease at the fulfillment at the cross?

What the Jews did physically had no meaning anymore it was a simple rejection of the reality thus the full destruction of their temple came in 70 ad.

 

[gotime]

It is beyond me how anyone can take the last week away from the rest.

case in point.

If I said to you, I will meet you at such and such a place in 6 weeks and then you turn up and I am not there. then you approach me and I say, oh no there is a two week gap between the 5th and 6th week. have I not lied? is it not actually 8 weeks when I said 6.

God gave 490 no more no less. to change that makes God a liar.

 

[KennethC]

'When Caesar (Titus) failed to restrain the fury of his frenzied soldiers, and the fire could not be checked, he entered the building with his generals and looked at the holy place of the sanctuary and all its furnishings, which exceeded by far the accounts current in foreign lands.'

Titus entering the holiest place with his standard bears would certainly have been seen by the Jews as 'the Abomination of Desolation' (the desolating abomination). The Roman standards were viewed with horror by the Jews. They contained on them the image of the god-emperor before which the soldiers worshiped and to which they offered sacrifices. So by bringing them into the Holiest Place they did set up an idol in the Temple. To bring them into the Holiest Place would have been seen as sacrilege of the highest order.

When Pilate had simply sought to introduce the standards into Jerusalem he had met with resistance so fierce in spite of death threats that he withdrew them, and never tried to do it again. They were anathema to the Jews.

Neither you nor anyone else has any right to lay down exactly what the Abomination of Desolation mentioned by Jesus would consist of.

Problem is that when Titus soldiers let the temple on fire Titus was not with them.
How can he have gone into a building that was burning to the ground just to look around as you are suggesting here? It would not and did not happen as Titus sent his troops ahead of him with the strict orders not to destroy the temple, but they did anyway. Titus never set foot in the temple before it was destroyed !!!

 

[KennethC]

'When Caesar (Titus) failed to restrain the fury of his frenzied soldiers, and the fire could not be checked, he entered the building with his generals and looked at the holy place of the sanctuary and all its furnishings, which exceeded by far the accounts current in foreign lands.'

Titus entering the holiest place with his standard bears would certainly have been seen by the Jews as 'the Abomination of Desolation' (the desolating abomination). The Roman standards were viewed with horror by the Jews. They contained on them the image of the god-emperor before which the soldiers worshiped and to which they offered sacrifices. So by bringing them into the Holiest Place they did set up an idol in the Temple. To bring them into the Holiest Place would have been seen as sacrilege of the highest order.

When Pilate had simply sought to introduce the standards into Jerusalem he had met with resistance so fierce in spite of death threats that he withdrew them, and never tried to do it again. They were anathema to the Jews.

Neither you nor anyone else has any right to lay down exactly what the Abomination of Desolation mentioned by Jesus would consist of.

Also you are wrong in your last statement here as Daniel, Jesus, Paul, and John in Revelation shows when combined what the A.O.D. will be. If you have the A.O.D. fulfilled already then you have most to all of Revelation fulfilled as well which would be a dangerous thing to do, because Revelation 13 gives us another insight to the A.O.D.

The bible clearly says in the words of Jesus that we are to refer back to Daniel to understand this, and Daniel clearly says that when the temple is defiled such as what was done in his time where he showed an idol statue was placed in the temple.

Also for those who believe Daniel 9:27 refers to the Lord needs to read further and take a look at Daniel 11:31 !!!

 

[gotime]

The abomination of desolation is spoken plainly by Jesus:

Mat 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand
Mat 24:16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:
Mat 24:17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:
Mat 24:18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.
Mat 24:19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!

compare with:

Luk 21:20 And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.
Luk 21:21 Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto.
Luk 21:22 For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.
Luk 21:23 But woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck, in those days! for there shall be great distress in the land, and wrath upon this people.

 

[KennethC]

It is beyond me how anyone can take the last week away from the rest.

case in point.

If I said to you, I will meet you at such and such a place in 6 weeks and then you turn up and I am not there. then you approach me and I say, oh no there is a two week gap between the 5th and 6th week. have I not lied? is it not actually 8 weeks when I said 6.

God gave 490 no more no less. to change that makes God a liar.

Easily because Daniel 9:27 is also repeated again in Daniel 11:31, showing it is not referring to the Lord there..........

 

[gotime]

Easily because Daniel 9:27 is also repeated again in Daniel 11:31, showing it is not referring to the Lord there..........

ahh I see the problem, you think they are the same thing.

What you have missed is that there are two entities In Daniel that do this. The first is Pagan Rome which Jesus clearly says fulfills this desolation:

Luk 21:20 And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.

Speaking of Rome. however there is another power that comes after Rome which Daniel points out who also does as Rome did. The Little horn in Daniel 7 who comes from the beast with ten horns/Rome. in Daniel 8 both Rome and this little horn are combined as Just the Little Horn because both do the same thing.

Pagan Rome literally physically attacked the the sanctuary in 70 ad. but one would come after them:

2Th 2:6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.
2Th 2:7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.

Paul understood that another would come but not until Rome had been taken out of the way.

The one in Daniel 11 is in reference to the lawless one who would come after. however this time the temple attacked is the one in heaven the true and to do this they must cast the truth of the temple to the ground as Daniel 8 says.

They are not one and the same but they are related. Jesus alludes to it when He says:

Luk 21:24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.

for that time go to Revelation:

Rev 11:1 And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein.
Rev 11:2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.

42 months this time period is spoken of in Prophecy in three ways.

42 months, 1260 days and time, times and half a time.

its simple there are 1260 days in 3 and a half years which is made up of 42 months.

this time period is applied to none other than:

Dan 7:25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.

The little horn power that comes out of Rome after Rome collapses Just as Paul said. In Daniel 11 you are reading where this power actually becomes powerful at the fall of the three horns in Daniel 7 or the ships of chittim in verse 30 of 11.





THe arms for His part is when the Franks under Clovis in 508 gave this power their military might and thus the demise of the three horns and the establishment of the Roman Catholic power who did indeed cast the truth of the sanctuary to the ground.

the altar of sacrifice representing Jesus death for sin was replaced with penance and indulgences.
the laver/baptism by immersion changed to sprinkling kids.
golden candlestick/holy spirit witness changed to no one but priests can teach.
table of shewbread/word of God changed so no one could read the word or understand it.
altar of incense/pray confession to God through Jesus changed to confession to a priest or pray to dead saints.
ark/law of God changed the law of God.

SO they changed all of these and the reformation began to restore these truths to the people. This began in 538 ad when the Ostrogoths the last of the three arian powers were defeated and lasted till 1798 when the Papacy lost her political reign over kings. exactly 1260 years. And this power will strike once again then the end will come.

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

Easily because Daniel 9:27 is also repeated again in Daniel 11:31, showing it is not referring to the Lord there..........

Wrong, 2 different events, first Daniel 9:27 is the confirming the New Covenant....

Jesus with His life and His own body in the midst of the last week ended the need for any further animal sacrifice and offerings.

Daniel 9:27 "And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate."

Hosea 6:6
For I desired mercy, and not sacrifice; and the knowledge of God more than burnt offerings.

Matthew 9:13
But go ye and learn what that meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.

Here is where it proves Jesus took away the need for animal sacrifice and offerings....

Hebrews 10:1-9 "For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.[SUP]2 [/SUP]For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:
[SUP]6 [/SUP]In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin thou hast had no pleasure.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein; which are offered by the law;
[SUP]9 [/SUP]Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second." (establish the covenant in the last week)

Also last part of Daniel 9:27 is also confirmed in Jesus.....

Also it was the overspreading of abominations (all the abominations of the people) that brought on the desolations and destruction of Jerusalem and the temple mount, not just a single evil act.

Daniel 9:27
And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

Jesus declared Jerusalem desolate here...

Luke 13:34-35 "O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, which killest the prophets, and stonest them that are sent unto thee; how often would I have gathered thy children together, as a hen doth gather her brood under her wings, and ye would not![SUP]35 [/SUP]Behold, your house is left unto you desolate: and verily I say unto you, Ye shall not see me, until the time come when ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord."

Now to show how Daniel 11:31 speaks of after the covenant is established by Jesus....

Daniel 11:30-31"For the ships of Chittim shall come against him: therefore he shall be grieved, and return, and have indignation against the holy covenant: so shall he do; he shall even return, and have intelligence with them that forsake the holy covenant.[SUP]31 [/SUP]And arms shall stand on his part, and they shall pollute the sanctuary of strength, and shall take away the daily sacrifice, and they shall place the abomination that maketh desolate.

So you can clearly see Daniel 11:31 happens after the holy covenant is established by Jesus in Daniel 9:27.

 

[KennethC]

ahh I see the problem, you think they are the same thing.

What you have missed is that there are two entities In Daniel that do this. The first is Pagan Rome which Jesus clearly says fulfills this desolation:

Luk 21:20 And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.

Speaking of Rome. however there is another power that comes after Rome which Daniel points out who also does as Rome did. The Little horn in Daniel 7 who comes from the beast with ten horns/Rome. in Daniel 8 both Rome and this little horn are combined as Just the Little Horn because both do the same thing.

Pagan Rome literally physically attacked the the sanctuary in 70 ad. but one would come after them:

2Th 2:6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.
2Th 2:7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.

Paul understood that another would come but not until Rome had been taken out of the way.

The one in Daniel 11 is in reference to the lawless one who would come after. however this time the temple attacked is the one in heaven the true and to do this they must cast the truth of the temple to the ground as Daniel 8 says.

They are not one and the same but they are related. Jesus alludes to it when He says:

Luk 21:24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.

for that time go to Revelation:

Rev 11:1 And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein.
Rev 11:2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.

42 months this time period is spoken of in Prophecy in three ways.

42 months, 1260 days and time, times and half a time.

its simple there are 1260 days in 3 and a half years which is made up of 42 months.

this time period is applied to none other than:

Dan 7:25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.

The little horn power that comes out of Rome after Rome collapses Just as Paul said. In Daniel 11 you are reading where this power actually becomes powerful at the fall of the three horns in Daniel 7 or the ships of chittim in verse 30 of 11.





THe arms for His part is when the Franks under Clovis in 508 gave this power their military might and thus the demise of the three horns and the establishment of the Roman Catholic power who did indeed cast the truth of the sanctuary to the ground.

the altar of sacrifice representing Jesus death for sin was replaced with penance and indulgences.
the laver/baptism by immersion changed to sprinkling kids.
golden candlestick/holy spirit witness changed to no one but priests can teach.
table of shewbread/word of God changed so no one could read the word or understand it.
altar of incense/pray confession to God through Jesus changed to confession to a priest or pray to dead saints.
ark/law of God changed the law of God.

SO they changed all of these and the reformation began to restore these truths to the people. This began in 538 ad when the Ostrogoths the last of the three arian powers were defeated and lasted till 1798 when the Papacy lost her political reign over kings. exactly 1260 years. And this power will strike once again then the end will come.

Taking scriptures and making them speak of two separate events when they are referring to the same is wrong, as Daniel 11:31 is a break down of what Daniel 9:27 said.

(9:27) And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

(11:31) And arms shall stand on his part, and they shall pollute the sanctuary of strength, and shall take away the daily sacrifice, and they shall place the abomination that maketh desolate.


Daniel 9:27 is not about the Lord as we can see by the following chapter that shows it is the man of sin who will invade Jerusalem and pollute/defile the temple by placing in it an idol. Titus did not do this in 70 AD therefore this is still unfulfilled, as his soldiers disobeyed his orders and destroyed the temple by burning it down instead.

You all have part of it right that the Romans did destroy the city and the temple in 70 AD however there was no A.O.D. set up during this time. But placing the A.O.D. during this time is not right as no idol was placed in the temple, so this has not yet happened.

 

[valiant]

Problem is that when Titus soldiers let the temple on fire Titus was not with them.
How can he have gone into a building that was burning to the ground just to look around as you are suggesting here?

In fact it was when he was within the building that the fire built up and having first entered the building he left the building in order to obtain help in saving the building. You should study more

It would not and did not happen as Titus sent his troops ahead of him with the strict orders not to destroy the temple, but they did anyway. Titus never set foot in the temple before it was destroyed !!!

You are denying history.

'When Caesar (Titus) failed to restrain the fury of his frenzied soldiers, and the fire could not be checked, he entered the building with his generals and looked at the holy place of the sanctuary and all its furnishings, which exceeded by far the accounts current in foreign lands.'

These are the facts.

 

[valiant]

Taking scriptures and making them speak of two separate events when they are referring to the same is wrong, as Daniel 11:31 is a break down of what Daniel 9:27 said.

(9:27) And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

(11:31) And arms shall stand on his part, and they shall pollute the sanctuary of strength, and shall take away the daily sacrifice, and they shall place the abomination that maketh desolate.


Daniel 9:27 is not about the Lord as we can see by the following chapter that shows it is the man of sin who will invade Jerusalem and pollute/defile the temple by placing in it an idol. Titus did not do this in 70 AD therefore this is still unfulfilled, as his soldiers disobeyed his orders and destroyed the temple by burning it down instead.

You all have part of it right that the Romans did destroy the city and the temple in 70 AD however there was no A.O.D. set up during this time. But placing the A.O.D. during this time is not right as no idol was placed in the temple, so this has not yet happened.

You have your Scriptures totally mixed up. Dan 11.31 has nothing to do with what is described in Dan 9.27. It occurred in the days of Antiochus Epiphanes. What is described in 9.27 comes much later, and the abomination of desolation was the idolatrous standards of the Romans introducing their images of the emperor into the Holiest Place thereby defiling it as it was desolated..

 

[valiant]

Also you are wrong in your last statement here as Daniel, Jesus, Paul, and John in Revelation shows when combined what the A.O.D. will be. If you have the A.O.D. fulfilled already then you have most to all of Revelation fulfilled as well which would be a dangerous thing to do, because Revelation 13 gives us another insight to the A.O.D.

The bible clearly says in the words of Jesus that we are to refer back to Daniel to understand this, and Daniel clearly says that when the temple is defiled such as what was done in his time where he showed an idol statue was placed in the temple.

Also for those who believe Daniel 9:27 refers to the Lord needs to read further and take a look at Daniel 11:31 !!!

Your problem is that you try to read everything into the future. You forget that HISTORY REPEATS ITSELF. Daniel 11.31 specifically fulfils the depradations and blasphemies of Antiochus Epiphanes. Daniel and Jesus both made clear that the same thing would be repeated. And they were repeated when the Romans entered the Holiest Place with their idolatrous standards and images of the god-emperor. Satan's blasphemies were not yet complete.

 

[KennethC]

Your problem is that you try to read everything into the future. You forget that HISTORY REPEATS ITSELF. Daniel 11.31 specifically fulfils the depradations and blasphemies of Antiochus Epiphanes. Daniel and Jesus both made clear that the same thing would be repeated. And they were repeated when the Romans entered the Holiest Place with their idolatrous standards and images of the god-emperor. Satan's blasphemies were not yet complete.

Once again no as your arguments against me are always false assumptions.

I know history repeats itself however we can not take and say a prophecy in the bible has been fulfilled if all aspects of it did not happen. If two things have to happen to fulfill a prophecy and only one of those things happen then that prophecy is not fulfilled.

Daniel 11:31 says an idol will be placed in the temple and Titus did not do this.

Now you bring up Antiochus Epiphanes who this prophecy in Daniel 9:27 is not referring to, because the Lord repeats this prophecy in the gospel books of yet to be fulfilled. Epiphanes was emperor from 175 BC to 164 BC and therefore Daniel 11:31 does not refer to him, as it is a future prophecy that even the Lord at His ministry said was still a future event.

I do not believe in the double fulfillment of a prophecy because the bible makes clear on the Great Tribulation period this is a one time event as it says no time before or after it will be worse then this time. If it is a double fulfillment then you would have more than one time in history just as bad which contradicts what the scriptures say.

 

[MarcR]

This is incorrect for one main reason and that is that the gospel book of Luke 3:1-2 says that John the baptist started his ministry in the 15th year of Tiberius Caesar. That would place John starting his baptizing ministry in 29 AD., and Jesus could not have been crucified before then.

Then the gospels speak of the Passover and the day of which it took place on, and if we look a list from 29 AD to 36 AD we can narrow the field down to two dates by the scriptures;

Monday, April 18, A.D. 29
Friday, April 7, A.D. 30
Tuesday, March 27, A.D. 31
Monday, April 14, A.D. 32
Friday, April 3, A.D. 33
Wednesday, March 24, A.D. 34
Tuesday, April 12, A.D. 35
Saturday, March 31, A.D. 36

The bible also mentions three Passovers during Jesus ministry which would rule out the first possible date, and only leave the 33 AD as the only viable date.

Your fridays are IMO irrelevant because Jesus was crucified on a Thursday.

Passover began at sundown Wednesday, Abib13 and ran until sundown Thursday Abib14 The Levitical Sabbath of Abib 15 (first day of Unleavened Bread) began at sundown Thursday Abib 14 and ended sundown Friday Abib15. [Jesus was entombed before sundown Thursday so Thursday night and Friday were 1 night and 1 day]. The seventh day Sabbath started at sundown Friday Abib 15 and ended at sundown Saturday Abib 16 [Jesus was now entombed for 2 nights and 2 days]. Firstfruits (Resurrection Sunday) began at sundown Saturday Abib16 and ended sundown Sunday Abib17. [Jesus arose on the third day as was foretold: Matt 20:18-19
18 Behold, we go up to Jerusalem; and the Son of man shall be betrayed unto the chief priests and unto the scribes, and they shall condemn him to death,
19 And shall deliver him to the Gentiles to mock, and to scourge, and to crucify him: and the third day he shall rise again. KJV]

 

[KennethC]

Your fridays are IMO irrelevant because Jesus was crucified on a Thursday.

Passover began at sundown Wednesday, Abib13 and ran until sundown Thursday Abib14 The Levitical Sabbath of Abib 15 (first day of Unleavened Bread) began at sundown Thursday Abib 14 and ended sundown Friday Abib15. [Jesus was entombed before sundown Thursday so Thursday night and Friday were 1 night and 1 day]. The seventh day Sabbath started at sundown Friday Abib 15 and ended at sundown Saturday Abib 16 [Jesus was now entombed for 2 nights and 2 days]. Firstfruits (Resurrection Sunday) began at sundown Saturday Abib16 and ended sundown Sunday Abib17. [Jesus arose on the third day as was foretold: Matt 20:18-19
18 Behold, we go up to Jerusalem; and the Son of man shall be betrayed unto the chief priests and unto the scribes, and they shall condemn him to death,
19 And shall deliver him to the Gentiles to mock, and to scourge, and to crucify him: and the third day he shall rise again. KJV]

They are not irrelevant because the timing and days come from scripture, so therefore if scripture shows us the days in which the Passovers took place on and therefore can only point to two years. This breakdown comes from using the scriptures.

 

[jonl]

They are not irrelevant because the timing and days come from scripture, so therefore if scripture shows us the days in which the Passovers took place on and therefore can only point to two years. This breakdown comes from using the scriptures.

Thank you for all your research on Daniel 9 and 11.

Besides what I posted in #125, I've also been reading about Pope Francis' possible connection to Quezalcoatl (occult spirit?). They might be involved in the A of D during Daniel's 70th week.

Q- is a prophesied false messiah of the Incas and Aztecs from Peru to Mexico. Peru is the main area for the DMT drug Ayahuasco. Pope Francis, coincidentally, is from Argentina, not too far away from Peru.

In any case, true faith in Christ is essential to stay grounded and away from the altered states that can come from pornography, mind altering drugs and occultism – all possible ingredients of the A of D.

 

[flob]

Those who preach the 70th week of Daniels prophecy is yet to be fulfilled in the future are HERETICS because by proclaiming such nonsense they deny what took place in that last week, which is Christ crucified and the New Covenant established. Mark them as such who spread lies and false doctrine.

To the contrary, God's returning to centralize on Israel, after the church age, does not deny Christ crucified and the New Covenant. Rather: it confesses them. And 'all Israel will be saved.'

Denying the Scriptural 'Gap' in God's dealing with Israel as a nation does not rise to the level of heresy. And acknowledging that it's written, certainly doesn't.

It is beyond me how anyone can take the last week away from the rest.
case in point.
If I said to you, I will meet you at such and such a place in 6 weeks and then you turn up and I am not there. then you approach me and I say, oh no there is a two week gap between the 5th and 6th week. have I not lied? is it not actually 8 weeks when I said 6.
God gave 490 no more no less. to change that makes God a liar.

Some latent or odd form of anti-Semitism may be the reason Christians deny the 'Gap' in God's dealing with Israel. Another reason may be that the whole subject of unfulfilled prophecy (versus history) is daunting or unappealing to them because they lack or are not confident of knowledge of God, His ways and His overall desire

 

[MarcR]

They are not irrelevant because the timing and days come from scripture, so therefore if scripture shows us the days in which the Passovers took place on and therefore can only point to two years. This breakdown comes from using the scriptures.

What is the basis for your determination of those dates and on what years did passover fall on Thursday which must be the day Jesus was crucified as demonstrated in my post?