Is there a break in Daniel's 70 weeks? (Daniel 9:26)

MarcR · Jul 26, 2015

In searching for what day of the week Abib 14 fell on in 28 A.D. I ran across this article which, IMO, reliably fixes the date of Jesus crucifixion at Wednesday Abib14 28 A.D.
http://www.biblicaltheology.com/Research/RamsundarP01.pdf

Since I have long been persuaded that 28 A.D. is the correct year. I must now rethink my belief in a Thursday crucifixion.

I have up till now rejected a Wednesday crucifixion; because I could not see how Jesus could rise on the 3rd day and rise on Sunday.

I must now try to reconcile those requirements.

KennethC · Jul 27, 2015

jonl said:

The thing is we must stick to what the bible says and not go by other cultures prophesies.
The bible from the OT in a couple of places calls the man of sin the king of the north, and in Revelation 2:13 and 13:2 it shows the area to look to for his rise is Turkey.

If Rome/Vatican/Pope play any role in the beast system it will be as the false prophet, but not the man of sin/antichrist himself.
Catholic teachings do go with and along the lines of apostasy right now which is a sign of the false prophet, as the two horns represent apostasy church mixed with another false religion.

KennethC · Jul 27, 2015

MarcR said:

This Friday preparation day (paraskeue:G3904) is mentioned in Mat 27:62, Mk 15:42, Lk 23:54, Jn 19:14, 19:31 and 19:42.

When you look at the chart I gave which two years show a Friday date? It is only 30 AD and 33 AD, and the bible shows also and mentions during Jesus ministry 3 Passovers. By John's ministry start the 30 AD event or any earlier can not be possible, and only the 33 AD is possible.

MarcR · Jul 27, 2015

KennethC said:

Where in any of the above cited verses do you see mention of Friday?

the 15th of Abib is a Levitical Sabbath regardless what day of the week it falls on. Depending on which Rabbinic tradition was followed the day of preparation was on the 13th or 14th of Abib

InSpiritInTruth · Jul 27, 2015

flob said:

No "gap" is implied or written, it just shows the confusion of those who do not understand. Babylon=confusion just as those who are of it are confused.

The prophecy of the 70 weeks of Daniel is about Messiah first coming, not about his second coming. Those who say the last week is not yet fulfilled are also implying all the events of that last week are not yet fulfilled either, thereby they also reject Christ crucified and the new covenant as being fulfilled and established in the 70th week. This is HERESY and nothing more than lies and false doctrine of carnally minded men who do not understand what the words of God are plainly saying.

To reject the words of God is to reject the Truth, which in turn is to also reject Jesus Christ who is the Word of Truth.

flob · Jul 27, 2015

To the contrary
There's a huge explicitly black+white written gap in God's saving of the nation of Israel.
Brought about by both their hardness, and His mercy to many Gentiles (like me!).
"Hardness has come upon Israel in part, UNTIL the fullness of the Gentiles comes in; and thus
all Israel will be saved, AS IT IS WRITTEN..."
Romans 11:25-26.

This same gap is implied and clear in Daniel 9:24-27.
An invasion and destruction of Jerusalem and its temple (at a minimum) happens in 9:26
After the 69th week ends and Before the 70th in 9:27 begins.
That stuff happens Outside of the measuring of the weeks, Implies that the 70th week is
suspended for a while---that there is a gap between the end of the 69th and the start of the 70th.
This is the same gap as Paul discusses in Romans 11.

To the contrary
The prophecy writes what it is about in its introduction in 9:24.
"70 weeks are apportioned FOR YOUR PEOPLE and FOR YOUR HOLY CITY to close up the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make propitiation for iniquity and to bring in the righteousness of the ages and to seal up vision and prophet and to anoint the Holy of Holies."

As Paul explains in Romans 11
"And thus all Israel will be saved, as it is written, 'The Deliverer will come out of Zion; He WILL TURN AWAY IRREVERANCE FROM JACOB. And this is the covenant from Me with them, WHEN I TAKE AWAY THEIR SINS'"
11:26-27.

Christ, as of 2015, has not yet saved all Israel.

It's not an implication, it's our direct statement: Of course all the events of the last seven aren't yet fulfilled.
Because the last seven is not yet fulfilled. It hasn't happened yet, as of 2015.

Correct. Messiah (Jesus Christ) was crucified as the end of the 69th week. Which is also when His death established a new covenant (which He carries out in resurrection).

Since you feel so strongly about Daniel 9:24-27, then I would open to the Lord in prayer, and pray-read His word more, if I were you

valiant · Jul 27, 2015

MarcR said:

what you also have to reconcile is why the women, who would have come to the tomb as soon as they could, did not come to the tomb until Sunday morning

valiant · Jul 27, 2015

flob said:

Hardness has come on Israel IN PART. So you are dismissing the believing Jews as being the continuation of Israel. Yet we know from the Old Testament that when many Israelites were siphoned off, what remained was still seen as Israel. Thus you have NO justification for saying that Israel ceased in God's purposes when the Messiah was cut off. Rather it flourished in the remnant.

Nowhere does it say that it happened between the sixty ninth and seventieth seven. You just quite unreasonably assume it.

If it does why Should that make A GAP? It simply shows that it was not part of the seventy sevens.

It does nothing of the kind. You mean you just want to read it that way because it suits your theory.

There is no 'gap' in Romans 11. See above.

All this was fulfilled in the coming and death of Christ. He WAS the holy of holies Who was anointed.

And the Deliverer did come in around 30 AD. And He turned away irreverence from Jacob. And He took away their sins. And it was this that resulted in 'all Israel' (all God's chosen ones) being saved.

Yes He has. All Israel consist of those who became part of the olive tree of Israel (Jer 11.16). But that has nothing to do with a fictitious gap in Daniel.

Only if we believe your incorrect suppositions. Many believe that the seventieth seven was completed in around 36 AD.

Good advice to you too

valiant · Jul 27, 2015

MarcR said:

But the Jews never celebrated two full Sabbaths conjoined with each other. Thus your explanation fails to explain why the women did not come to the tomb til the first day of the week. They could have come on the Levitical Sabbath.

InSpiritInTruth · Jul 27, 2015

flob It's not an implication said:

flob · Jul 27, 2015

Then........to try to help you sir..........what is 'the fullness of the Gentiles' in 11:25?

No silly. Part of Israel is unbelieving. Hard against Jesus the Christ.

What do you mean by a remnant? Paul wrote that "ALL Israel will be saved, as it is written, 'The Deliverer will come out of Zion; He will turn away ungodliness from Jacob.'"

That hadn't yet been fulfilled when Paul wrote Romans around AD 60. And it still has not yet been fulfilled in our day, AD 2015.

To the contrary, it's reasonable to assume events are in time-order. And, in fact, in reading, Daniel 9:25-27 is.
7 7s happen. Then 62. At the end of which Messiah is cut off (right around AD 30). Then the invasion and destruction of Jerusalem is mentioned (AD 70ish). Consummately, in 9:27, 1 seven (the 70th and final seven) is initiated. Then demarcated half way through ('in the middle of the seven'), and then completed ('...even UNTIL the complete destruction that has been determined is poured out upon the desolator.'

Time that passes after the 69 weeks..........AND before the 70th week, by definition is a gap between the 69th and 70th.
Time that is outside of the 70 weeks, yet intervenes between (the 69th and 70th), by definition is a gap.

To the contrary not all of Israel is believing. In fact, to my observation, the vast majority of biological Israel, from AD 30 to the present, both deceased and alive, is unbelieving. If you're suggesting that God is done with Israel as a nation, or that He will not save the entire nation surviving at the end, then feel welcome to come right out and say so. If you're saying that God doesn't distinguish between unbelieving Jews and Gentiles, you're mistaken.
Lastly, you may not believe that the Deliverer has two comings. But He does.

Since you bring Jeremiah 11:16 up, is that the same 'all Israel' to you as in Romans 11:26 ('Thus all Israel will be saved, as it is written, The Deliverer will come out of Zion; He will turn away ungodliness from Jacob').
Feel welcome to elaborate on Jeremiah 11:16 in a specific way.

MarcR · Jul 27, 2015

valiant said:

Indeed! If the crucifixion were on Wed; Wednesday night - Thursday would be the Levitical Sabbath; and nothing would prevent the women from coming on Friday.

valiant · Jul 27, 2015

flob said:

It is the full number of Gentiles who will become a part of Israel.

But the other part, the true Israel were fervent for Jesus Christ. Thus ISRAEL LIVED ON.

But the 'all Israel' were the Messiah believing Jews and the Messiah believing proselytes (the Gentiles).

Rom 9.27 makes clear that, 'though the number of the children of Israel be as the sand of the sea, ONLY A REMNANT WILL BE SAVED.'

But it is in process of fulfilment. It includes all the saved from all times.

why? There is no suggestion of it. The time order events are WITHIN the seventy sevens.

but NOTHING to indicate a gap unless you imagine it. The seventieth seven follows immediately after the sixty ninth seven as all common sense makes clear that it would

But there is nothing to suggest that such time between the two passes. You have to read it in. There is no reason for reading the comment about the destruction of Jerusalem as part of the time sequence.

It is not by definition a gap, it is by fantasising that there is a gap

well your observation is not very acute. Acts makes clear that a great number of Jews believed. You only see the unbelieving ones as Jews. The believing ones were the foundation of the church and continued on in that church.

God IS done with unbelieving Israel as a nation. And He will certainly not do what He has NEVER done, save a whole nation. It would be contrary to all His ways. He will save those who believe as He always has.

And what is biological Israel? There is no such thing. Israel was NEVER composed only of descendants of Jacob.

He only has one coming as Deliverer. The other is as Judge, although He will rapture His own.

Jeremiah 11.16 proves that the olive tree is Israel. Rom 11.12-24 proves that it is made up of believing Jews and believing Gentiles.

MarcR · Jul 27, 2015

MarcR said:

I believe that I have resolved all difficulties! In the year 27 A.D. Passover (Abib 14) fell on a Thursday.

Since Mary was already pregnant when the Census was decreed; Jesus could have been born as early as Sukkot, 6 B.C. His ministry started at age 30 (24-25 A.D) Which would put the command to build the wall in Jerusalem at 456 B.C. still meeting all necessary conditions to satisfy Ezra chapter 7.
If Jesus' ministry began before Passover in 25 A.D.; then Passover 27 A. D would be the third of His ministry.

If Titus' coregency began in the fall of 11 A.D (Julian); then the Hebrew Calendar year which subtended 26-27 A.D. would have been His 15th; thus satisfying Luke 3.

valiant · Jul 27, 2015

MarcR said:

But we know of no census in 6 BC. The census that did take place was Augustus 25th anniversary in 2/3 BC, although Herod may have held it earlier for it was a large project and would be over an extended period. On the other hand we may have Herod's birth date wrong. Coins were often pre-dated.

flob · Jul 27, 2015

So in Romans 11:25-26 when Paul says hardness has come upon Israel in part and that all Israel will be saved, is he saying that false Israel will join true Israel?

a) Do you think that Jesus Christ will return to earth?
b) If so, do you think that Jesus Christ will convert all of the false Israel which is alive then, to join the true Israel?

So since 'Israel' (and 'Jacob') in Romans 11:26 includes Jews+Gentiles;
and 'Gentiles' in 11:25 = Gentiles;
then 'Israel' in 11:25 includes Jews+Gentiles
and 'Israel in part' in 11:25 = Jews only ?

So Daniel 9:24's apportionment of 70 7s to Daniel's people excludes 'all Israel will be saved'
in Romans 11:26?

To the contrary:
All the several time indicators in Daniel 9:24-27 show that its events, after the introduction which is verse 24,
are progressive and consecutive. Concluding in verse 27 with the destruction of the desolator.

'Seventy weeks are apportioned...From...Until...will be seven weeks and sixty-two weeks...And After the sixty-two weeks...Will...And...And...will make a firm covenant...for one week; And in the middle of the week he Will...And Will...Until...'

?
In one sentence you say there's 'no suggestion' of time-order.
In the next sentence you acknowledge that there are time-order events.
Don't time-order events suggest time-order?

7 7s happen. Then 62. At the end of which Messiah is cut off (right around AD 30). Then the invasion and destruction of Jerusalem is mentioned (AD 70ish). Consummately, in 9:27, 1 seven (the 70th and final seven) is initiated. Then demarcated half way through ('in the middle of the seven'), and then completed ('...even UNTIL the complete destruction that has been determined is poured out upon the desolator.'

All of Daniel 9:24-27's events (both 9:24 the Introduction and 9:25-27 the Sequence) are 'within the 70 7s' since the 69 have already happened and 1 seven to come is the last seven years of this age.
70
But no, the AD 70ish events of 9:26 (which is all of 9:26 except the first clause) do not constitute part of the 70 7s, since
it transpires after the 69th and before the 70th 7.

'Common sense' may have led His disciples in Acts 1:6 to expect
"Lord, are You at this time restoring the kingdom to Israel?"
[By the way: What 'Israel' do you think they meant there?]
In any case, as has been repeatedly shared with you: all of Daniel 9:26 except its first clause not only 'indicates' a gap, but requires it.
"After the 62 7s Messiah will be cut off] and the people of the prince who will come will destroy the city...and the end of it...and even to the end...And he will make a firm covenant with the many for one 7."

The 70th 7 most definitely doesn't follow the 69th seven immediately.
Just like the year AD 70 doesn't follow AD 30 immediately.
Instead, there are years: 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37, 38, 39, 40, 41, 42, 43, 44, 45, 46, 47, 48, 49, 50, 51, 52, 53, 54, 55, 56, 57, 58, 59, 60, 61, 62, 63, 64, 65, 66, 67, 68, and 69.
Furthermore, the next event in time, at the beginning of 9:27, 'he will make a firm covenant...for one 7,'
has not happened yet. Not in AD 30-70. Nor in 71, 72, 73, 74, 75, 76, 77, 78, 79, 80, 81, 82, 83, 84, 85, 86, 87, 88, 89, 90, 91, 92, 93, 94, 95, 96, 97, 98, 99, 100, 101, 102, 103, 104, 105...2013, 2014.
The New Covenant was not established by the desolator of Jerusalem. It wasn't established for one 7. It wasn't established in or after AD 70. It didn't terminate physically Jewish temple sacrifices 'in the middle of the 7,' the New Covenant didn't replace physically, or spiritually, Jewish temple sacrifices with abominations of the desolator.

To the contrary:
AD 30 comes before AD 70 and AD 70 follows AD 30.
AD 30 doesn't follow AD 70 and AD 70 doesn't come before AD 30.
Messiah being crucified (9:26 start) comes before people of the prince destroying the city (9:26 remainder),
and people of Titus destroying Jerusalem and the Jewish temple in AD 70 (9:26 after the first clause) follows Messiah being cut off (9:26 first clause).
Following both of these events, 9:27 (the next verse in sequence: 9:24, 25, 26, 27), defines the last (70th) 7.
It's beginning (he will make a firm covenant) it's middle (and in the middle of the 7 he will cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease and will replace the sacrifice and the oblation with abominations) and the 70th 7's end (...until the complete destruction that has been determined is poured out upon the desolator).
The beginning comes first, followed by the middle, followed by the end---in this case: the complete destruction poured out upon the desolator.

The reason I do not 'only see the unbelieving ones as Jews' is because I wrote 'not all of Israel is believing.'
'Not all of Israel is believing' means equally that not all of Israel is unbelieving. In other words, some of Israel is believing, some is unbelieving. In fact, I've met both.
[By the way: by 'Jews' here do you mean racial Jews only?]
To my observation, the vast majority of biological Israel, from AD 30 to the present, both deceased and alive, is unbelieving.
Do you have an observation on that? (It's fine if you don't.)

Ah..............................finally. The central issue here. And your basic problem here.
What about believing-Israel as a nation?
Is not Israel a special nation among all the nations?
('According to the gospel they are enemies for your sake, but according to the selection they are beloved for the fathers' sake. For the gracious gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable.')
Won't they all believe when, at His Return, they see Him whom they have pierced?
Did He not save a whole nation from slavery and Pharaoh when they ate the Lamb and crossed the Sea?
Wasn't that precisely His Way with Israel?
Is it believing-Israel that God is not done with in Matthew 19:28 where He (the Lord Jesus) says
'to you that have followed Me, in the restoration, when the Son of Man sits on the throne of His glory, you also shall sit on twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel' ?
Or is that unbelieving-Israel that He is not done with then?
You may be done with Israel.............but God is not done.
In fact, God has apportioned one more 7, the 70th 7, to Daniel's people (Dan 9:24).

Isn't the vast majority of Israel descended from Israel (from Jacob)? Who do you have in mind that wasn't?
For those that you can think of: were any of them married to descendants of Jacob? If so, would not there descendants also be descendants of Jacob?

By rapture, do you mean He delivers them (He'll deliver you) from earth?
So that is a Deliverer, as you seem to categorize it with your 'although.'

To the contrary of your blindness, Paul (I believe) writes in Hebrews 9
'So Christ also, having been offered once to bear the sins of many, will appear a second time to those who eagerly await Him, apart from sin, unto salvation.'
'Salvation' and 'Deliverance' sound close to me.

Paul wrote to the church in Rome:
'For the anxious watching of the creation eagerly awaits the revelation of the sons of God. For the creation was made subject to vanity, not of its own will, but because of Him who subjected it, in hope that the creation itself will also be freed from the slavery of corruption into the freedom of the glory of the children of God...and not only so...we ourselves groan in ourselves, eagerly awaiting sonship, the redemption of our body.

To Ephesus:
'you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of the promise, who is the pledge of our inheritance unto the redemption of the acquired possession, to the praise of His glory.'

Peter wrote:
'Being guarded by the power of God through faith unto a salvation ready to be revealed at the last time...'
1 Pet 1:5.

Christ Also delivers the sheep-nations, in Mt 25, who took care of Him during The Tribulation, during the last 3 1/2 years of this age (the last half of the last 7 in Daniel 9:27); and also delivers racial, earthly Israel which survives The Tribulation, to believe into Him and thus to be justified and born of God all together when they see Him whom they have pierced come back, standing on the Mount of Olives as He says He will again (Zechariah 14; Acts 1).

TMS · Jul 29, 2015

Bookends said:

i like this illustration.
457bc Command to restore and rebuild Jerusalem + 69 sevens = 27 AD
What happened at this time? = The Father announced The beginning of Jesus's Earthly ministry
Joh 1:29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.
Mat 3:16 And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him:
Mat 3:17 And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.
So what happens next?? This is the thing that we are disagreeing about.

Dan 9:26 And after threescore and two weeks shall
1 Messiah be cut off, but not for himself:
2 and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.
It doesn’t say it will happen at the start or the end or in 100 or 1000 years it just says after this it shall happen, Lets not make it say anything else. Just read the next verse…

Dan 9:27 And he (it must be Jesus) shall confirm the covenant with many for one week:

27AD + 7 = 34 AD What covernant?
The same one that was given to Adam and Eve. And us today. “The Gospel”
Gen 3:15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.
Satan did bruise Jesus’s heal

Why a week? Because Jesus spent 3 and a half years proclaiming His death and mission and gave Israel 3 and a half years after His death to accept and believe the words He and the disciples preached.

and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, (3 and a half years into Christ’s ministry He died = 31AD).

When Jesus died the veil was turn in the sanctuary and there was no need to have the sacrifices that were only there to point to Jesus.
Mat 27:51 And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent;

Rom_1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.
Rom_10:19 But I say, Did not Israel know? First Moses saith, I will provoke you to jealousy by them that are no people, and by a foolish nation I will anger you.

Jesus told the disciple to go first to the house of Israel. Because their time was almost up.

Mat 10:5 These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not:
Mat 10:6 But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
Mat 10:7 And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand.
Dan 9:24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and … to make reconciliation for iniquity, … and to anoint the most Holy.

I don’t want to presume exactly when the week ends but I believe it was when the Jews Stoned Stephen. He goes through their history and sums up their state and condition.

Act 7:54 When they heard these things, they were cut to the heart, and they gnashed on him with their teeth.
Act 7:55 But he, being full of the Holy Ghost, looked up stedfastly into heaven, and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing on the right hand of God,
Act 7:57 Then they cried out with a loud voice, and stopped their ears, and ran upon him with one accord,
Act 7:58 And cast him out of the city, and stoned him: and the witnesses laid down their clothes at a young man's feet, whose name was Saul.

Shortly after this Saul was commissioned to take the Gospel to the gentiles (Act 9).
and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

“and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.” The Gospel that is now determined goes to the desolate gentiles.

valiant · Jul 29, 2015

flob said:

No he is differentiating the two Israels as he did in 9.6. 'They are not all Israel who are Israel.' Thus throughout Rom 9-11 he distinguishes unbelieving Israel from 'the election of Israel'. Hardened Israel can only become a part of true Israel if they repent and believe in the Messiah. The 'all Israel' who will be saved are the Israel described in Rom 11.12-24, the believing Jews, the converted back Jews, and the believing Gentile proselytes. They compose the true Israel whom God 'foreknew'.

He will return to the earth in the sense that He will appear within our atmosphere. From there He will gather together His elect and take them to be with Him in glory. He will not again stand on this earth as a man.

When He comes the days of conversion will be over. He comes to judge the world.

I presume you have noted that in Rom 1-8 Pauls speaks of 'Jews', but in Rom 9-11 he concentrates on 'Israel'.? He then sees two divisions of Israel, the elect of Israel who are true Israel (9.6), and hardened Israel who are not true Israel?

you also overlook two further things. 1). That Gentiles who became proselytes were always then seen as Israel, and 2) that to Paul not all Israel were to be seen as genuine Israel (9.6).

In Rom 11.26 'all Israel' includes believing Jews and proselytes (believing Gentiles), the fullness of the Gentiles are proselytes who believe (believing Gentiles), 'Israel in part' is unbelieving Jews, the remainder of the Gentiles who do not believe are not mentioned. It should be noted that Gentile proselytes were ALWAYS seen as part of Israel, even by Israel..

Atwood · Aug 7, 2015

Re: PRETERISM CANNOT HANDLE THE GENERATION SIGNS

Jamal said:

WRONG & FALSE

He said at that point in His ministry, no sign to be given (but of Jonah). But there are signs of the 2nd coming of Christ. The generation that sees them also will not pass until He returns. He was not speaking of the current generation, which did not see the signs. Context

But immediately after the tribulation of those days
the sun shall be darkened, and
the moon shall not give her light, and
the stars shall fall from heaven, and
the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: 30 and then shall appear
the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and
they shall see the Son of man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And he shall send forth his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
Now from the fig tree learn her parable: when her branch is now become tender, and putteth forth its leaves, ye know that the summer is nigh; even so ye also,
when ye see all these things, know ye that he is nigh, even at the doors. Verily I say unto you,
This generation shall not pass away, till all these things be accomplished.

No one has yet seen these signs. They follow the Great Tribulation which also has not happened.,

valiant · Aug 27, 2015

Re: PRETERISM CANNOT HANDLE THE GENERATION SIGNS

Atwood said:

LOL yours is a case of use big letters to put forward a false position.

'This generation' was a term constantly used by Jesus, and it ALWAYS referred to the generation in which He was living.

No sign was to be given to unbelievers. Plenty of signs were given to believers. Thus your argument fails.

LOL look at the WHOLE CONTEXT. What does 'these things' refer to? Answer the 'these things' mentioned in Mark 13.4. It refers to the signs leading up to the destruction of the Temple in 70 AD. That is when the great tribulation of the Jews commences. You will note that they were the signs showing that he was 'near, even at the doors'. It thus EXCLUDED the signs of His second coming.

From 70 AD He was 'near, even at the doors' - 'behold I come quickly'. The great tribulation of the Jews has continued up to the present day.

Thus 'this generation' meant what Jesus always meant by 'this generation' . It was the generation in which Jesus was living.

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