Marijuana?

[Nuhen]

So its ok to smoke opium? Itss a plant.

No, opium is made from a plant. The plant is good, the drug that is corrupted and made from the plant is not.

Really, people. Use the brain that G-d gave you and think about this with common sense, hm?

Courtesy of Merriam Webster Online:
Consume:
1 : to do away with completely : destroy <fire consumed several buildings>
2 a : to spend wastefully : squander b : use up <writing consumed much of his time>
3 a : to eat or drink especially in great quantity <consumed several bags of pretzels> b : to enjoy avidly : devour <mysteries, which she consumes for fun — E. R. Lipson>
4 : to engage fully : engross <consumed with curiosity>
5 : to utilize as a customer <consume goods and services>

If you smoke something, yes, you are consuming it. It classifies as eating. You turn the marijuana plant into a joint, and as the fire you light it with burns, the joint becomes smoke, which you take into your system.

Furthermore, there ARE ways to eat and drink marijuana. Special brownies, special milkshakes, etc. I have a friend who has a friend in the hospital with cancer, and he makes his buddy special food and drink items all the time to ease his pain - which is one of the amazing effects of marijuana.

 

[Nuhen]

I'd never want to be friends with a Christian who got high. What a fake.

Where is smoking marijuana a sin? I showed where in Scripture G-d says ALL seed-bearing plants (including marijuana) are good for consumption, and that ALL seed-bearing plants are good, as He created them.

 

[Cako53]

Where is smoking marijuana a sin? I showed where in Scripture G-d says ALL seed-bearing plants (including marijuana) are good for consumption, and that ALL seed-bearing plants are good, as He created them.

I'm 100% positive that Christians are to follow the law of man as long as it doesn't conflict with the higher law of God.

Romans 13:1-2 "1Everyone must submit himself to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. 2Consequently, he who rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves."

Seeng as pot is illegal, I find it quite clear that it is also wrong biblicaly to smoke pot. No where in the bible does God say that smoking pot is one of the things we need to do, therefor it would be going against what God wants us to do by smoking pot.

Nuff said.

 

[Definition_Christ]

No, opium is made from a plant. The plant is good, the drug that is corrupted and made from the plant is not.

Really, people. Use the brain that G-d gave you and think about this with common sense, hm?




If you smoke something, yes, you are consuming it. It classifies as eating. You turn the marijuana plant into a joint, and as the fire you light it with burns, the joint becomes smoke, which you take into your system.

Furthermore, there ARE ways to eat and drink marijuana. Special brownies, special milkshakes, etc. I have a friend who has a friend in the hospital with cancer, and he makes his buddy special food and drink items all the time to ease his pain - which is one of the amazing effects of marijuana.

Really to me it's funny you try to use the argument "use your brains people!" When you're the one sticking up for getting high. We're simply pointing out ways that you can get high or killed by natural sources. But you don't apply your logic to our statements, just your own. Instead you tell us to use our brains as a reaction to "well my logic just failed, you can get in killed/high/in trouble by using natural drugs such as opium, cocaine." So I guess what I am saying is just please stay consistent.

 

[Nuhen]

Really to me it's funny you try to use the argument "use your brains people!" When you're the one sticking up for getting high. We're simply pointing out ways that you can get high or killed by natural sources. But you don't apply your logic to our statements, just your own. Instead you tell us to use our brains as a reaction to "well my logic just failed, you can get in killed/high/in trouble by using natural drugs such as opium, cocaine." So I guess what I am saying is just please stay consistent.

I am staying consistent Marijuana does not damage your brain. Quite the opposite. Marijuana has little to no effect on the brain, and the effects it sometimes can have is to ENHANCE brain activity rather than harm it.

Nobody has ever died from marijuana. That is a fact that can be verified from numerous sources.

Do not insult me just because you do not know the facts

 

[Definition_Christ]

I am staying consistent Marijuana does not damage your brain. Quite the opposite. Marijuana has little to no effect on the brain, and the effects it sometimes can have is to ENHANCE brain activity rather than harm it.

Nobody has ever died from marijuana. That is a fact that can be verified from numerous sources.

Do not insult me just because you do not know the facts

I am not insulting you I am just saying we can make the same arguments of Genesis 1:29 and Genesis 1:11-12 that you did. "They are natural, God said they are good..." But of course we wouldn't do that but that was my point. We could do that if we used your logic. But you even had to deny your logic and make the argument "use your brain". I also, don't think you're quite done with your research on marijuana .

 

[Nuhen]

Nuff said.

It's currently being pushed for legalization in 11 states as it is (or it may have already been legalized in those states, haven't checked in a few months). In my home state of California, it is going back on the ballot in November for straight up legalization, not just medical use but ALL use.

So will it be ok to smoke then?

 

[Nuhen]

I am not insulting you I am just saying we can make the same arguments of Genesis 1:29 and Genesis 1:11-12 that you did. "They are natural, God said they are good..." But of course we wouldn't do that but that was my point. We could do that if we used your logic. But you even had to deny your logic and make the argument "use your brain".

I did not deny my own logic. The problem here is that I made the point that Scripture says ALL seed-bearing plants are good for consumption and that G-d has given ALL seed-bearing plants for us to consume. You all then decided to take the illogical, irrational route and try to say that that means you can consume said plants at any stage, which includes opium, cocaine, and others.

However, G-d also gave us brains to use to decide when these plants are good for consumption. Opium, cocaine, and the others are NOT the plant, they are a corrupted, poisoned drug that USES parts of the plant. They are not the plant itself. Marijuana is different from this in that it IS the plant itself and does not have any additives.

THAT, sir, is the problem. The problem is not my logic, because my logic is sound. The problem is you.

I also, don't think you're quite done with your research on marijuana .

You're right, I'm nowhere near done. I'm compiling a book, see, of all the proofs out there against the lies about marijuana that you have been fed

Because, trust me, I have plenty of reliable sources to back my information up. I just want more so that eventually it will be undeniable

Of course, all of this is second to the fact that Scripture itself proves marijuana is good, as marijuana is a natural, seed-bearing plant included in Genesis.

 

[charisenexcelcis]

I am staying consistent Marijuana does not damage your brain. Quite the opposite. Marijuana has little to no effect on the brain, and the effects it sometimes can have is to ENHANCE brain activity rather than harm it.

Nobody has ever died from marijuana. That is a fact that can be verified from numerous sources.

Do not insult me just because you do not know the facts

You are wrong. 1 in 5 car accidents are related to marijuana. Some of those accidents involve fatalities. Also, MJ is 4-5 times more carcenogetic than cigarettes. Marijuana replaces one of the reward chemicals of your brain. The direct result of this is a loss of interest in such things as sex, school, work, etc. It does not enhance your brain activity. Tests given to students after moderate MJ use showed a substantial decrease in test scores. I suggest you look up the information from the National Institute on Drug Abuse, the Anmerican Medical Association, and the Correctional Education Association. If the issue is health, marijuana loses.

 

[Definition_Christ]

I did not deny my own logic. The problem here is that I made the point that Scripture says ALL seed-bearing plants are good for consumption and that G-d has given ALL seed-bearing plants for us to consume. You all then decided to take the illogical, irrational route and try to say that that means you can consume said plants at any stage, which includes opium, cocaine, and others.

However, G-d also gave us brains to use to decide when these plants are good for consumption. Opium, cocaine, and the others are NOT the plant, they are a corrupted, poisoned drug that USES parts of the plant. They are not the plant itself. Marijuana is different from this in that it IS the plant itself and does not have any additives.

THAT, sir, is the problem. The problem is not my logic, because my logic is sound. The problem is you.



You're right, I'm nowhere near done. I'm compiling a book, see, of all the proofs out there against the lies about marijuana that you have been fed

Because, trust me, I have plenty of reliable sources to back my information up. I just want more so that eventually it will be undeniable

Of course, all of this is second to the fact that Scripture itself proves marijuana is good, as marijuana is a natural, seed-bearing plant included in Genesis.

Well if you truly believe that your logic is infallible you may have wanted to word it differently, nowhere in Scripture does it mention you must use your brain to decide when you eat the seed-bearing plants. It's not exactly irrational when you give a direct idea of your logic, I use your logic to say I can consume cocaine because it's natural. There is nothing you can say Scripturally denying what I am saying which leads to your counter argument "Use your brain to decide when the plant is ready", where that also has flaws because you have no biblical support where we must wait until the plant is ready to be consumed. When the irony of that statement is what makes it funny while you're getting high destroying your brain you urge others to use their own.

 

[charisenexcelcis]

It's currently being pushed for legalization in 11 states as it is (or it may have already been legalized in those states, haven't checked in a few months). In my home state of California, it is going back on the ballot in November for straight up legalization, not just medical use but ALL use.

So will it be ok to smoke then?

Legal, but not smart.

 

[Nuhen]

I'm going to discontinue talking about it in relation to the Scriptures, because it's obvious at this point that if the only seemingly intelligent argument you can make to refute me is that "it doesn't say to use your brain", any further discussion will be futile. If you think G-d did not give us common sense, then I have nothing more to say on the issue.

As to the health effects of marijuana, I'm currently sitting in an empty room at my parents' church writing a novel, so all my sources against your information are not with me. But as soon as I get home, I will post them here.

 

[charisenexcelcis]

I'm going to discontinue talking about it in relation to the Scriptures, because it's obvious at this point that if the only seemingly intelligent argument you can make to refute me is that "it doesn't say to use your brain", any further discussion will be futile. If you think G-d did not give us common sense, then I have nothing more to say on the issue.

As to the health effects of marijuana, I'm currently sitting in an empty room at my parents' church writing a novel, so all my sources against your information are not with me. But as soon as I get home, I will post them here.

What about "pharmekeia"?
You can find a source that says what you want, this is what the AMA, the NICA and the CEA say. I work at a prison. I teach there. I normally have one true pothead at any given time. I see what MJ will eventually do to you. I don't know why you desire it so much, but I am curious what your rabbi has to say.

 

[Nuhen]

What about "pharmekeia"?
You can find a source that says what you want, this is what the AMA, the NICA and the CEA say. I work at a prison. I teach there. I normally have one true pothead at any given time. I see what MJ will eventually do to you. I don't know why you desire it so much, but I am curious what your rabbi has to say.

Pharmawhata? As you've said in another thread, I don't speak Greek, nor have I any desire to

I, too, have seen in more than one case what marijuana does. I know a person who has been smoking marijuana literally every day for 40 years, and he has a higher IQ than most of the teachers at my school and his IQ was higher AFTER he smoked marijuana. He's not the only person I know like this.

Furthermore, are the AMA, NICA, and CEA government organizations?

As to what my Rabbi has to say, he's the man I mentioned above. He, too, believes as I do, that marijuana is one of the seed-bearing plants G-d called "good" and told us to consume at the beginning of creation.

 

[Definition_Christ]

Just by that alone I am safe to assume your rabbi is NOT hasidic?

 

[Nuhen]

Just by that alone I am safe to assume your rabbi is NOT hasidic?

He's not, but what does being hasidic or not being hasidic have to do with smoking marijuana?

 

[Definition_Christ]

He's not, but what does being hasidic or not being hasidic have to do with smoking marijuana?

His loose interpretation of the Bible would lead to my assumption he's not hasidic. Which you confirmed for me being true!

 

[Nuhen]

His loose interpretation of the Bible would lead to my assumption he's not hasidic. Which you confirmed for me being true!

lol...so believing that when G-d says EVERY seed-bearing plant He means EVERY seed-bearing plant is a "loose" interpretation of Scripture?

 

[Definition_Christ]

lol...so believing that when G-d says EVERY seed-bearing plant He means EVERY seed-bearing plant is a "loose" interpretation of Scripture?

Yes that's exactly what I mean. Do you guys consume poison ivy together, by any chance?

 

[charisenexcelcis]

Pharmawhata? As you've said in another thread, I don't speak Greek, nor have I any desire to

I, too, have seen in more than one case what marijuana does. I know a person who has been smoking marijuana literally every day for 40 years, and he has a higher IQ than most of the teachers at my school and his IQ was higher AFTER he smoked marijuana. He's not the only person I know like this.

Furthermore, are the AMA, NICA, and CEA government organizations?

As to what my Rabbi has to say, he's the man I mentioned above. He, too, believes as I do, that marijuana is one of the seed-bearing plants G-d called "good" and told us to consume at the beginning of creation.

So, how about the Sch'ma? Can you quote it?