Physical Attractiveness is Vain

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VioletReigns said:
I still don't know what you are defending. If I'm correct, you were making a case for "women who are good looking" in your first comment. In your second comment, you state: "A woman does not have to be beautiful for a man to lust." I'm confused by what point you're trying to make.

You conclude with, "I just don't like generalizations to the extent one makes a case for that particular platform to the obscurity of a different side or outlook." Speaking of obscurity, you lost me. :p I don't know what coin you're talking about, what side you're talking about, what generalization you mean, if you're talking about good looking women, women who aren't good looking, men who lust, people who are jealous.

One thing's for sure, you're missing MY point in that this thread was to encourage my brothers and sisters in Christ Jesus who might be struggling with trying to measure up to the false images the world throws at us. That's all.

Perhaps you can start a new thread expressing your opinion regarding those 2 sides of the coin and maybe I'll understand what you're talking about. :D
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I don't have to defend anything and I am not. I already said that I was simply expressing my thought on that post I quoted.
Let's not make it into something it isn't

I did understand your posts

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Willie-T said:
I just have to say I hated to be considered a trophy and put on display... just seen as an "object." Thankfully, my wife doesn't feel I'm attractive.

(I think, in trying to be humble, that didn't come out right.) LOL
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Willie, I have a feeling you gave your poor mother a run for her money when you were a child. Was your childhood nickname Dennis the Menace, by any chance? ROFL!!! :D

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I don't have to defend anything and I am not.
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You just did. :rolleyes:

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I already said that I was simply expressing my thought on that post I quoted.
Let's not make it into something it isn't
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Umm, YOU actually made it into something it ain't.

You posted, "uh.....being good looking is not a sin."

WHAT?? :confused: Nobody said it was. That is your own heart's perception.

You also commented, "Let's try and remember that a good looking woman who was born that way, has a heart too and sometimes gets hurt by certain women who scorn her simply because of how she looks."

WHAT? :confused: Where did that come from? Nobody even posted a comment even similar to that remark.

Something else is going on that's not on the surface.

And you added, "IMO, you are coming across somewhat harsh here."

Really, sister? There's not a chance it could be that you perceive things harshly? You're positive of that?

Because I just breezed through some of your forum posts and a big percentage of the comments you make are defending what you posted prior to them. You spend an awful lot of time justifying yourself. Perhaps it's because you keep contradicting everyone else. I said, "perhaps". Or maybe there's a deeper, more underlying issue.

Whatever the case may be, I'm done entertaining your two-sided "coin".
 
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Agricola said:
Well I have fallen for a number of women who were glowing with spiritual beauty , I was like "Lord are these women really that great", to which I get replies of "They will make you a good wife".

So I am like "WOW", I see they are beautiful, they are so amazing, but the thing is, they were not anything special looks wise and one was not really that physically attractive at all, it is just I could see and was shown tier "inner beauty", but of course I am not exactly the worlds most attractive guy, and freewill being what it is, they just refused my company.
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Well for starters, that reindeer sweater has got to go. LOL
 
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VioletReigns said:
You just did. :rolleyes:



Umm, YOU actually made it into something it ain't.

You posted, "uh.....being good looking is not a sin."

WHAT?? :confused: Nobody said it was. That is your own heart's perception.

You also commented, "Let's try and remember that a good looking woman who was born that way, has a heart too and sometimes gets hurt by certain women who scorn her simply because of how she looks."

WHAT? :confused: Where did that come from? Nobody even posted a comment even similar to that remark.

Something else is going on that's not on the surface.

And you added, "IMO, you are coming across somewhat harsh here."

Really, sister? There's not a chance it could be that you perceive things harshly? You're positive of that?

Because I just breezed through some of your forum posts and a big percentage of the comments you make are defending what you posted prior to them. You spend an awful lot of time justifying yourself. Perhaps it's because you keep contradicting everyone else. I said, "perhaps". Or maybe there's a deeper, more underlying issue.

Whatever the case may be, I'm done entertaining your two-sided "coin".
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what on earth?

Hey listen, either you have totally misinterpreted what I said, or you don't like me personally

Which ever it is, I think you are looking for an arguement when I know I wrote nothing to create one

Take a look at your title:

Physical Attractiveness is Vain

You have a foregone conclusion and I countered it and that seems to have set something off inside of you

I have never had cross words with you and you generally seem to get along with people...what? until they don't agree with you?

That's too bad...at any rate. your thread title is only as true as someone who agrees with it

Because I just breezed through some of your forum posts and a big percentage of the comments you make are defending what you posted prior to them. You spend an awful lot of time justifying yourself.
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You need a chill pill...some people seem to like my posts

If you wish to continue to berate me, kindly send a pm...you have really gone overboard to jab me including what I perceive as a personal attack and I really do not know where that is coming from, so I am answering you as you have posted this for all to see, but I think it's kind of cheap to take a shot like this and I don't know why you have done it
 
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Yes, ma'am. :eek:

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what has love got to do physical attractiveness. did you ask god to love you. no matter how you class your own looks personally.
 
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VioletReigns said:
I understand what you're saying, but what is your question, Sister Ember? I'm not begrudging anyone for being attractive to other folks. The point I was trying to make is that if we believe physical attraction increases our value as God's children, we're deceived.

People aren't responsible for those who are jealous of them or who are looking at them with flirty eyes. But those who dress or act a certain way to provoke those reactions are deceiving themselves. And I'm not even judging those who try to get attention. I'm just saying it's a no-win game. It's all in vain, as King Solomon said. Because our flesh is never satisfied, ya know?

Anyhow, if someone is eyeing you with lust or someone is snubbing their nose at you because they're jealous of you, they're the ones with the problem. So please don't think I'm telling anyone how to dress or act or look. I'm just reminding us all that this is REALITY: We are all so precious and beautiful and lovely and deserving of being loved and accepted by God and each other. :)
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Solomon. Interesting guy. God gifted him with more wisdom than anyone else. Solomon ended up having 500-1000 wives. (I forget how many other then knowing they didn't get to spend a night with him too often.)

Strictly from a woman's perspective -- how is THAT wise? lol
 
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Willie-T said:
I just have to say I hated to be considered a trophy and put on display... just seen as an "object." Thankfully, my wife doesn't feel I'm attractive.

(I think, in trying to be humble, that didn't come out right.) LOL
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I don't consider myself attractive. Hubby does. Works for me. :D
 
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atwhatcost said:
Solomon. Interesting guy. God gifted him with more wisdom than anyone else. Solomon ended up having 500-1000 wives. (I forget how many other then knowing they didn't get to spend a night with him too often.)

Strictly from a woman's perspective -- how is THAT wise? lol
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oops wrong ,jesus one word. soloman never knew how to save the living and the dead. he did build a temple. could that be something to do with his human father prayers.
 
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VioletReigns said:
I still don't know what you are defending. If I'm correct, you were making a case for "women who are good looking" in your first comment. In your second comment, you state: "A woman does not have to be beautiful for a man to lust." I'm confused by what point you're trying to make.

You conclude with, "I just don't like generalizations to the extent one makes a case for that particular platform to the obscurity of a different side or outlook." Speaking of obscurity, you lost me. :p I don't know what coin you're talking about, what side you're talking about, what generalization you mean, if you're talking about good looking women, women who aren't good looking, men who lust, people who are jealous.

One thing's for sure, you're missing MY point in that this thread was to encourage my brothers and sisters in Christ Jesus who might be struggling with trying to measure up to the false images the world throws at us. That's all.

Perhaps you can start a new thread expressing your opinion regarding those 2 sides of the coin and maybe I'll understand what you're talking about. :D
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I get it, (I think.) The purpose to your post was to let people know our looks, not only shouldn't define us, but also plays no role in our standing with God. And yet, some people think it's all about looking good. You did say that some woman feel like they can't ever be attractive enough to men, so this was for their benefit.

Ember brought up the other side of the same coin. There are women so utterly beautiful -- so beautiful, even without adding too much make-up or dressing the part -- and yet people judge them too. Kind of a sense that we're being judge by our looks in either case. (I think we ought to be including men in this too, since they get the same effects by their looks too.)

In both cases it is unfair that people are stuck in these situations, and if anyone is supposed to see the reality -- that God doesn't pick us by our looks or any other positive attribute -- believers really should stop judging by sight. So it is the same coin, but the two sides. Neither one of you is disagreeing, you're looking at different ends. That's all.
 
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You titled your thread "Physical Attractiveness is Vain" and defame someone for arguing against that, who said that "being good looking isn't a sin." It seems to me your thread title carries with it a certain interpretation from some you didn't consider would come up. No need to take it personal and put ember on blast.

Physical attractiveness is vain to the extent one's focus is on self. There are people who care for themselves, and practice proper hygiene because it boosts their confidence in dealing with others. If it grants you the boldness to preach to others, why not improve one's appearance? Some people are self conscious, and doing themselves up helps them to overcome their shortcomings. Physical attractiveness is not so much vain as it is a matter of self-esteem, for some. A person may be beautiful, or handsome and not be vain.

So, while I understand your posts, you must also consider the other side of the coin (as ember stated) that beauty is not vain, in and of itself. Vanity is pride, and though there exists vanity in those good looking, there too exists vanity in the not so good looking. Why do some woman wear cake loads of makeup? To hide blemishes. Are you to tell me that, pardon my language, an ugly person cannot be vain? They spend two hours on their hair, and makeup to hide that which is underneath because they are concerned with their appearance that comes up short to the beauty of others. Is this not vain? Is this not coveting?

Its like people who say the rich are greedy, all the while they are poor and in scarcity. In scarcity they hold tight to what they have (greed), so not to lose it or give it away. Here we have greed in two forms. One is a lack of generosity, and another is also a lack of generosity in the form of hoarding. Both of which, ignore the principle of sowing and reaping, if indeed the rich man doesn't give or the poor man holds to that which he can muster up.

Vanity is not just a sin of the genetically blessed, nor is beauty vain in and of itself. It is only vain, when it looks in the mirror to be in awe of itself, to be conceited and proud in comparison to others. Physical attractiveness does not have to be vain, it could have nothing to even do with yourself and all about desiring to look good for your partner. It even has a place in being a representative. We are ambassadors for God, and as representatives of the Lord Jesus Christ, we ought to carry ourselves with our shoulders held high and there is nothing wrong with looking nice. You would get dressed up for the president, why not on a daily basis for the King of Kings? You see, there is another side to the coin.
 
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yes bones in the grave look like bones, no matter about humans understanding. male or female. the joy of a living solomon. or a god through jesus. the plot thickens etc
 
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BenFTW said:
You titled your thread "Physical Attractiveness is Vain" and defame someone for arguing against that, who said that "being good looking isn't a sin." It seems to me your thread title carries with it a certain interpretation from some you didn't consider would come up. No need to take it personal and put ember on blast.
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Well then brother, that clears it up. Because when I was thinking of what to title this thread, I was reminded of this:

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"Beauty (physical attractiveness) is vain." It's the Word of God. I didn't say being beautiful or handsome was a sin. I didn't imply it or hint to that. But evidently that's what some people hear when they read Proverbs 31:30.

Plus, if being purty is a sin, I'm in BIG trouble. ROFLMHO! :rolleyes:

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And as for defaming someone,
 
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Oops! Forgot to add:

As for defaming someone, that's a bit of a stretch. :p But enough of this back and forth nonsense already, I'm no longer going to respond to anyone who wants to debate God's Word. This thread was meant to encourage.
 
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