So your opinions and feelings are more important than what God wants?

[kaylagrl]

I think what got people riled up on that thread was her statement that she's been wanting to have another child, they HAVE been trying and now that she IS pregnant, she wants an abortion. Why? Because she's "settled" (her word) and doesn't want it now that she has it. And she only wanted to know if God's grace would cover her sin, so it seemed like she's looking for justification to have the abortion because she will still be forgiven of murder.

Yes,you said it! That is what upset me. And I believe others too.Yes,some of the responses were harsh but again we're on the internet,this is a discussion forum,people are attacking you and then you are trying to answer a stranger who says they are going to abort their child.Just too much going on. Maybe there needs to be a separate forum for people just needing advice. Maybe a one on one type thing. The whole thread was insane and I had people attacking me while trying to speak to her. Too,too much.

 

[GuessWho]

I think what got people riled up on that thread was her statement that she's been wanting to have another child, they HAVE been trying and now that she IS pregnant, she wants an abortion. Why? Because she's "settled" (her word) and doesn't want it now that she has it. And she only wanted to know if God's grace would cover her sin, so it seemed like she's looking for justification to have the abortion because she will still be forgiven of murder.

Same here. Although I didn't respond because I still believe it was all fake and trollish. Her attitude towards her second pregnancy was too blatantly cynical to be taken seriously.

 

[Pres19]

But whether online or in her real life, I'm sure people around her are probably telling her differing opinions as to keep it or kill it.. So either way she's most likely getting the same responses from family and friends, that she is getting from us.

Oh I have no doubt about that.
I meant how people type things up can be misleading on their intentions because you can't see the emotion behind the person. Some came off very rude. (I'm pretty sure mine did) but if you really think about what they said..it was Hartfield advice. It just came off rude.

 

[secularhermit]

As human being made in His image, he have been given freedom (free will) to take or to reject -also- His plans.

Jesus was given that chance, that choice, the moment He made His greatest decision to obey His Holy Father (knowing God' s will, perfectly and fully).

Since we lack particular and exact information in what His plans are, we have some rights to fail and succeed, following His precise plans during our earthly life.

 

[Siberian_Khatru]

Who cares what you think?

And yet here we are.

 

[blue_ladybug]

And they can get most of the advice their given anywhere they want on the Internet.

I keep thinking this is where they go hoping for God's answer, not more knee-jerk reaction advice. Otherwise, what's the difference between here and Yahoo Answers?

You tend to give your advice, not God's advice. That's my complaint.

You know what? Sometimes people who dump their stuff here want only OUR advice. Sometimes they also want scriptural advice. When they ask for OUR advice, they better be prepared to face a backlash of differing opinions and emotions. As far as I know, the bible does NOT speak specifically about abortions. It DOES say, and this is paraphrased, "it is far better for a man to give his life for another". That means we should be ready and WILLING to die for someone else if we have to. Regarding murder, which IS what abortion is, the bible says "thou shall NOT kill." That is one of the ten commandments.
In the case of the mother, giving regard to what happened with her first pregnancy, there is no guarantee that will or won't happen again, but if she DOES have the baby, then she should be willing to possibly lose her own life so that the baby will live. She ALSO should obey God and NOT murder this unborn gift that He has given her..

 

[PoetMary]

I understand the OP's frustration regarding the response that some receive when they bring their life situations to the table.

I've seen PLENTY of people tell others they should divorce, for example. SERIOUSLY! The bible says that God HATES divorce...but they'll flippantly tell others to divorce without any information as to children, finances, local support, etc.

I think some people like to tell others what to do....especially if this advice costs them NOTHING. They won't have to offer a home to the woman who leaves her husband and has nowhere to go. They won't be offering babysitting services to the woman who kicks out her husband, but has no means of income. Most of the time, they can't even be bothered to say that they'll offer PRAYER. Yet, they have plenty to say about how that person should make radical life decisions.

It's just so morally irresponsible.

 

[atwhatcost]

I seen her new post. I would have said something to apologize for thinking she could have been a troll but I felt if I had then I'd well, get not so nicely spoken to by a different member of cc. personally, I didn't feel like causing anymore drama on her topic.
I did say I understand where this woman was coming from and I tried to reach out. It may have come across wrong but that wasnt my intentions. Tho I couldn't answer her question. Even tho I felt she could have been a troll, I was in no way meaning to put her down. It was my opinion, when I first stated what I thought (on the other thread) I still said I was praying for her.
The problem here is some don't like others stating their opinions but are %100 okay giving their own. I made a mistake. And I have an apology for that woman. But to keep from anymore negative feedback (I dont mean from you) I'm sending it to her inbox. Plus I feel it's more appropriate. I did feel it could have been a troll. That was my mistake.

Some did try to reach out and help her but even they got back rude remarks because others didn't appreciate their opinions on the matter. I did try to change her mind. Can't help it. It's a babies life. But I still tried to help with her question. I truly feel for that woman. Despite what someone else may think. (I don't mean that in a rude way)
Unfortunately, this topic is someone calling others out for their opinions, but have no problem giving their own.
It's never ending circle around here.





She did receive some some sweet comments from concerned members. I don't believe my first two post to her were judgemental. Maybe the first came off that way but I didn't mean it that way.

I believe your first comments were compassionate and loving with an eye toward God.

 

[atwhatcost]

I think it is hard in a forum setting,without speaking face to face,to convey your heart to a person.I wanted to be straight forward hoping she would understand the consequences of her actions.I dont think I conveyed hatred.But I do agree going to Planned Parenthood and screaming at people will help nothing.I think what got me is that she seemed to have her mind made up and wanted Gods blessing or permission for what she was doing.And so I was very direct.But when she answered back I spoke to her again and hopefully she saw where I was coming from.Again,its hard in a forum setting because people are attacking you for what you are saying and you are trying to answer them and her.I guess we will have to wait and see what she does.But I truly pray she does not have an abortion.I really do not think she will be able to cope with it if she does.

My prayer is she seeks God. Amazing the right answers he gives his kids at the right place and the right time through his word that utterly defies the question asked, if we look it up in a topical study, a word study, or a commentary.

When hubby was married the first time, she cheated on him. He ran to God's word and it gave him an answer -- keep going. Stick with her.

She did it again. He did it again. Same God. Same Bible, but God clearly told him to divorce her.

I was in so much pain, (literal pain), I couldn't think straight. Well, actually I had one thought, OUCH! (Bigger thought than that, but it just doesn't seem right to post on a Christian forum. lol) I asked, "What can possibly come from this?" He answered. Romans 8:28. My verse ever since.

Three years later, hubby got terribly sick, went through chemo and because of the chemo, no one caught the diabetes or the other signs something else was wrong. He became disabled. I was so royally ticked off at God, there are no words I can post -- for a non-christian or Christian forum -- that covers my anger. No one around, yet somehow he got me to buy a book. When God Weeps. It answered from God's word. Perfect answer for me -- then and now.

When I came back to him, I asked the next obvious question: "How can you possibly put up with someone like me, once more love me?" Now, you have to know -- hubby was a voracious Bible studier. He used to put in four hours a night studying it, back in the days before anyone heard of this thing called "The Internet." We still have the proof -- seven bookcases crammed into one small room and out of those seven bookcases six-and-a-half were his books he used to study the Bible. He's got books almost thick enough to use as a table. He has sets of books that take over a full shelf. He's got fat books, thin books, reference books, commentaries, even some Watchman Nee and a few other authors he tells me no one should read. And in all that collection of books, kinda of toward the right of center for his Wycliffe commentaries was one that looked like all the rest. Yet it kept sticking in my line of sight as if it had Las Vegas 1950's lights hawking it. A commentary on the Book of Jonah. I was compelled to read that one then.

Honestly. There are no scriptures on abortion or on who gets first rights when having a baby could cost the mother her life. There are plenty of scriptures, and possibly even a book in the Bible that will speak to her, if she seeks God. AND when God answers her, it will be HER answer, not OUR answer.

My prayer is she seeks God. In God I trust. In my opinion, I do not.

 

[atwhatcost]

I think what got people riled up on that thread was her statement that she's been wanting to have another child, they HAVE been trying and now that she IS pregnant, she wants an abortion. Why? Because she's "settled" (her word) and doesn't want it now that she has it. And she only wanted to know if God's grace would cover her sin, so it seemed like she's looking for justification to have the abortion because she will still be forgiven of murder.

No. That's what YOU got riled up about. Something I don't understand because you absolutely have to know the panic of hearing something you know can cause you all sorts of serious health problems, and a whole bunch of doubt. You and I've been in that panic mode. What would you have written online a few hours after you found out you had cancer? Bet it wasn't that flattering version after the panic.

You faulted her for panicking! You're not the only one, but surely you have more experience panicking that healthy folks.

Honestly? The first thing that popped into my mind when I realized she made this decision the same day she found out she was pregnant is something I've read often enough on discharge papers I had to sign before being sent home from a procedure or surgery: "Make no serious decisions today and don't operate heavy machinery." In that case the head is screwed up because of the anesthesia. In her case her head was screwed up because she's panicking. We know panicking. Surely we can empathize.

 

[atwhatcost]

And yet here we are.

Yup, and here we are... mostly defending choices made (and STILL calling her a troll) instead of hearing the rest. I expect that from nonbelievers. I'm still appalled with believers.

Honestly? I'm questioning believer status for some.

 

[atwhatcost]

I understand the OP's frustration regarding the response that some receive when they bring their life situations to the table.

I've seen PLENTY of people tell others they should divorce, for example. SERIOUSLY! The bible says that God HATES divorce...but they'll flippantly tell others to divorce without any information as to children, finances, local support, etc.

I think some people like to tell others what to do....especially if this advice costs them NOTHING. They won't have to offer a home to the woman who leaves her husband and has nowhere to go. They won't be offering babysitting services to the woman who kicks out her husband, but has no means of income. Most of the time, they can't even be bothered to say that they'll offer PRAYER. Yet, they have plenty to say about how that person should make radical life decisions.

It's just so morally irresponsible.

Whoa! And I thought I was tough on people.

Amen, though!

 

[atwhatcost]

You know what? Sometimes people who dump their stuff here want only OUR advice. Sometimes they also want scriptural advice. When they ask for OUR advice, they better be prepared to face a backlash of differing opinions and emotions. As far as I know, the bible does NOT speak specifically about abortions. It DOES say, and this is paraphrased, "it is far better for a man to give his life for another". That means we should be ready and WILLING to die for someone else if we have to. Regarding murder, which IS what abortion is, the bible says "thou shall NOT kill." That is one of the ten commandments.
In the case of the mother, giving regard to what happened with her first pregnancy, there is no guarantee that will or won't happen again, but if she DOES have the baby, then she should be willing to possibly lose her own life so that the baby will live. She ALSO should obey God and NOT murder this unborn gift that He has given her..

How many more "buts" and "you know whats" will you be posting before actually looking inward? Better yet, looking Godward? This thread isn't about her!

 

[PoetMary]

Whoa! And I thought I was tough on people.

Amen, though!

Really? Was I being tough?

To me it just seems fair that if I'm going to advise them to make a radical decision, I should be prepared to *walk with them* through that process. And I've done this many times over the course of my life, offering places to stay, babysitting children, being a shoulder to cry on, etc. Of course, this is more easily done in person than on the internet...which is why I don't often give advice to strangers.

Most of the people who come into the forums with these kinds of stories are really trying to find some kind of human connection in the midst of their suffering. I think most people know what they OUGHT to be doing most of the time. Sometimes they just need a little empathy to give them the energy to do what they know is right.

 

[atwhatcost]

Really? Was I being tough?

To me it just seems fair that if I'm going to advise them to make a radical decision, I should be prepared to *walk with them* through that process. And I've done this many times over the course of my life, offering places to stay, babysitting children, being a shoulder to cry on, etc. Of course, this is more easily done in person than on the internet...which is why I don't often give advice to strangers.

Most of the people who come into the forums with these kinds of stories are really trying to find some kind of human connection in the midst of their suffering. I think most people know what they OUGHT to be doing most of the time. Sometimes they just need a little empathy to give them the energy to do what they know is right.

LOL No, not them. You were tougher on the ones who like to give their opinions simply because it cost nothing, oh, and, of course, "This is the Internet."

 

[blue_ladybug]

I am appalled by the responses on here to heartfelt appeals.

A woman almost died from having her last child, then spends months in a mental ward, and then years in recover from that, yet mostly what she got was easy-Christianese. "Don't murder." "When isn't sin a choice?" "My opinion." "I feel." Who cares what you think?

Can you prove biblically that the life of the baby is more important than the life of the mother? Can you prove biblically any of your positions? What would you do if your words did it for her and then you found out this pregnancy killed her? Does that feeling change if it kills her and the baby? Do you really think it should? Is that part of your easy-Christianese?

"Get a divorce." "Stay with him no matter what." Such easy words for people not in that position. Who gives you Solomon's wisdom for all people based on a cursory knowledge?

Words matter, People. If you can't back up your opinions based on God's word have the good grace to give room that God can!

People are hurting, yet the important thing seems to be prove-a-point. "I know something she/he doesn't know and must share just because I'm important."

God does want. If you don't know what he wants for that person, stop pretending you do. And no, that doesn't get the easy-Christianese answer of "God wants only good things," because you have no idea what a good thing is in any given situation. What is the good thing if it's a choice between mother and child's life? Can you decide? NO! Absolutely not. You cannot decide so stop acting like it is up to you to decide. Help a person. Do nothing, but stop hurting for no other reason than self-gratification. To give an opinion or a feeling.

And let the endless useless debates start here.

How many more "buts" and "you know whats" will you be posting before actually looking inward? Better yet, looking Godward? This thread isn't about her!

This thread isn't about her, huh? That's why your first two paragraphs in your OP mention her. If you didn't want people to comment on here about her, then you shouldn't have mentioned her in your OP. YOU made this thread "about her" simply by giving her situation as an example. When someone gives specific examples, OF COURSE others are going to comment on it...

 

[BarlyGurl]

I don't think it matters whether the OP of the abortion thread was a TROLL or Genuine Poster. It doesn't change my responses. I personally felt horrified, repelled and ANGRY that anyone thought/typed that mitigating circumstances exist to murder your unborn child whilst claiming Jesus is the Lord of your life!

ANYONE who did that needs to REPENT... repentance is not "oops, please overlook my contradiction God" it is "I renounce my wrong thinking and agree with your word, Thou shall not murder... abortion is a woman murdering her child in the womb."

REPENT.... change your mind.. agree with God and he will forgive YOU.

Not... oh I know it says not to murder, but I have these circumstances which make me choose to do it anyway, God will forgive me afterward. Who is Lord? God does not capitulate to our mind/thoughts.... WE are to capitulate to HIS. HE is GOD, not you.

 

[Hellooo]

I understand the OP's frustration regarding the response that some receive when they bring their life situations to the table.

I've seen PLENTY of people tell others they should divorce, for example. SERIOUSLY! The bible says that God HATES divorce...but they'll flippantly tell others to divorce without any information as to children, finances, local support, etc.

I think some people like to tell others what to do....especially if this advice costs them NOTHING. They won't have to offer a home to the woman who leaves her husband and has nowhere to go. They won't be offering babysitting services to the woman who kicks out her husband, but has no means of income. Most of the time, they can't even be bothered to say that they'll offer PRAYER. Yet, they have plenty to say about how that person should make radical life decisions.

It's just so morally irresponsible.

So much this.

 

[blue_ladybug]

No. That's what YOU got riled up about. Something I don't understand because you absolutely have to know the panic of hearing something you know can cause you all sorts of serious health problems, and a whole bunch of doubt. You and I've been in that panic mode. What would you have written online a few hours after you found out you had cancer? Bet it wasn't that flattering version after the panic.

You faulted her for panicking! You're not the only one, but surely you have more experience panicking that healthy folks.

Honestly? The first thing that popped into my mind when I realized she made this decision the same day she found out she was pregnant is something I've read often enough on discharge papers I had to sign before being sent home from a procedure or surgery: "Make no serious decisions today and don't operate heavy machinery." In that case the head is screwed up because of the anesthesia. In her case her head was screwed up because she's panicking. We know panicking. Surely we can empathize.

Several others besides me got riled by her post. So don't try laying this all on ME. NO ONE faulted her for panicking. We were, and still are, trying to figure out why she wanted another baby, now has it, and wants to kill it. That statement of hers is what opened the can of worms on that thread..

oh and btw, if you wanna know what I said, the moment I was told I had cancer, then go read or re-read that thread. Sure, I can empathize with her, BUT when she says one thing, then contradicts herself.. c'mon now..:/

 

[atwhatcost]

I don't think it matters whether the OP of the abortion thread was a TROLL or Genuine Poster. It doesn't change my responses. I personally felt horrified, repelled and ANGRY that anyone thought/typed that mitigating circumstances exist to murder your unborn child whilst claiming Jesus is the Lord of your life!

ANYONE who did that needs to REPENT... repentance is not "oops, please overlook my contradiction God" it is "I renounce my wrong thinking and agree with your word, Thou shall not murder... abortion is a woman murdering her child in the womb."

REPENT.... change your mind.. agree with God and he will forgive YOU.

Not... oh I know it says not to murder, but I have these circumstances which make me choose to do it anyway, God will forgive me afterward. Who is Lord? God does not capitulate to our mind/thoughts.... WE are to capitulate to HIS. HE is GOD, not you.

Glad for all your thinking. You didn't even think it all the way through, yet here you go on and on. Too bad it's all your thinking, instead of seeking God.

I've got what? Two more days before God strikes me down for your say so? We shall see God's will on that one.