Gentiles

[prove-all]

What you call the Bible's "interpretation of riddles" are the actual riddles themselves, for they may be interpreted differently.

The NT teaches only one physical resurrection, at the end of time.

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1Co 15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
1Co 15:23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits;

afterward they that are Christ's [at his coming]. read that again.

Revelation 11:15
And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying,

The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ;
and he shall reign for ever and ever.

 

[prove-all]

You should take your objection to Jesus (Jn 3:3, 7).

1Pe 1:23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God,
which liveth and abideth for ever.

The word used here for "Being born again" is: G313
From G303 and G1080; to beget or (by extension) bear (again): - beget, (bear) X again.
Total KJV occurrences: 2

-so you are born again being incorruptible, and sinless ?

 

[prove-all]

What you call the Bible's "interpretation of riddles" are the actual riddles themselves, for they may be interpreted differently.

The NT teaches only one physical resurrection, at the end of time.

I don't defend private uncertain interpretation of prophetic riddles.

Only what Scripture teaches, understood in the light of the whole counsel of God, is certain.

-scripture you throw out because it does not follow what you believe, one res.?

But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished.
This is the first resurrection.


-so what private interpretation do we need, what it states plainly you reject it.

why would it be called first if there is only one?

The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom: and the knowledge of the holy is understanding.​

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[prove-all]

You should take your objection to Jesus (Jn 3:3, 7).

how does that uphold your claim of being in his kingdom now?

6That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

are you flesh and blood? are you spirit that passes through walls.

8The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof,
but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth:
so is every one that is born of the Spirit.

are you invisible like the wind? can people see you come and go?

 

[just-me]

-scripture you throw out because it does not follow what you believe, one res.?

But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished.
This is the first resurrection.


-so what private interpretation do we need, what it states plainly you reject it.

why would it be called first if there is only one?

The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom: and the knowledge of the holy is understanding.​

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But *the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years. Revelation 20:5-6

And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.And *I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. Revelation 20:11-14

After the 1000 years are expired, the people who were not part of the first resurrection are judged.

And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire. Revelation 20:15

And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. Revelation 21:1

This is when the law of God given to Moses is finally no longer valid, unlike most Christians are taught today. Until that time, (after the 1000 years are finished) the law stands in righteousness. This is confirmed throughout all scripture, for Jews and Gentiles alike, at this current time, right here, right now! Jesus said so, and His words are not "confusing," because God is not the Author of "confusion."

For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. Matthew 5:18

 

[Elin]

The true remnant followers of Jesus Christ are simply those who are born again.

I dislike the phrase born again , it is missleading and gives the wrong impression,

You should take your objection to Jesus (Jn 3:3, 7).

how does that uphold your claim of being in his kingdom now?

The same way eating pickles does. . .

Previously addressed.

 

[Elin]

1Co 15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
1Co 15:23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits;

afterward they that are Christ's [at his coming]. read that again.

There is only one general physical resurrection.

 

[Elin]

1Pe 1:23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God,
which liveth and abideth for ever.

The word used here for "Being born again" is: G313
From G303 and G1080; to beget or (by extension) bear (again): - beget, (bear) X again.
Total KJV occurrences: 2

-so you are born again being incorruptible, and sinless ?

Previously addressed. . .

 

[Elin]

-scripture you throw out because it does not follow what you believe, one res.?

But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished.
This is the first resurrection.


-so what private interpretation do we need, what it states plainly you reject it.​

That is your private uncertain interpretation of a prophetic riddle, which others in the body of Christ interpret diffrerently.

The second resurrection is the general resurrection at the end of time.

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[just-me]

Behold my servant, whom I uphold; mine elect, in whom my soul delighteth; I have put my spirit upon him: he shall bring forth judgment to the Gentiles. Isaiah 42:1

 

[just-me]

“Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and *faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone. (Matthew 23:23)

Those who “bear fruit” are righteous Jews and Gentiles alike who have the law written on their hearts and who bear fruit of the love of God and the love for their fellow man. These instructions of how to love God's way are specified in the terms and conditions of the Torah Covenant that are not deleted, but completed in Christ Jesus.

Whether you are a Jew that is taking heat from your Jewish community for putting your trust in Jesus Christ, or a Gentile who is being labeled and abused by family members, friends, or the church you attend for your love of the law (same as King David), the Kingdom of God is all about bearing righteous fruit and being made holy unto God by our Lord Jesus Christ.

“Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead? Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.” (James 2:17, 20 and 24 )

“Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the *faith of Jesus Christ,” (Galatians 2:16a)

“Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.” (Romans :31)

 

[Elin]

“Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and *faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone. (Matthew 23:23)

Those who “bear fruit” are righteous Jews and Gentiles alike who have the law written on their hearts and who bear fruit of the love of God and the love for their fellow man. These instructions of how to love God's way are specified in
the terms and conditions of the Torah Covenant that are not deleted, but completed in Christ Jesus.

The NT disagrees with you.

The Mosaic regulations (Eph 2:15) and the Mosaic covenant (Heb 8:13) are no longer operative.

“Do we then make void the law through faith?

God forbid: yea, we establish the law.” (Romans :31)

Yes, faith establishes the law on its right basis, subject to the law of grace and not a means of righteousness/justification.

 

[Elin]

Behold my servant, whom I uphold; mine elect, in whom my soul delighteth; I have put my spirit upon him: he shall bring forth judgment to the Gentiles. Isaiah 42:1

Yes, as he brought forth judgment to the Jews.

God judges all sin.

 

[BS]

Behold my servant, whom I uphold; mine elect, in whom my soul delighteth; I have put my spirit upon him: he shall bring forth judgment to the Gentiles. Isaiah 42:1

1Ti 4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
1Ti 4:2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;
1Ti 4:3 Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.
1Ti 4:4 For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving:
1Ti 4:5 For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.
1Ti 4:6 If thou put the brethren in remembrance of these things, thou shalt be a good minister of Jesus Christ, nourished up in the words of faith and of good doctrine, whereunto thou hast attained.

 

[Elin]

I dislike the phrase born again, it is missleading and gives the wrong impression,

You should take your objection to Jesus (Jn 3:3, 7).

how does that uphold your claim of being in his kingdom now?

The way Jesus said it did.

 

[BS]

Yes, as he brought forth judgment to the Jews.

God judges all sin.

Whom do you think Paul is talking here?
Rom 11:20 Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:
Rom 11:21 For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.

 

[Elin]

Whom do you think Paul is talking here?
Rom 11:20 Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:
Rom 11:21 For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.

All those who reject Jesus Christ.

 

[BS]

All those who reject Jesus Christ.

Not only.
Rom 11:16 For if the firstfruit be holy, the lump is also holy: and if the root be holy, so are the branches.

 

[just-me]

“But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.” Or, the law is not contrary to the fruit of the Spirit. (Galatians 5:22-23)

“For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death. But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.” (Romans 7:5-6)

As the Pharisees compromised God's Torah and made it repressive, a Gentile doctrine that compromises God's law to make it inert produces the same result as the Pharisaical doctrine. In both of these doctrines, the truth is beyond reach by self will. I have heard it described as “willful ignorance.” If ya don't prune the fruit tree, or the grapevines, it's only a matter of time until the entire tree doesn't blossom or bear fruit. Take off the branches that do not bear fruit.

“And seeing a fig tree afar off having leaves, he came, if haply he might find any thing thereon: and when he came to it, he found nothing but leaves; for the time of figs was not yet. And Jesus answered and said unto it, No man eat fruit of thee hereafter for ever. And his disciples heard it. And in the morning, as they passed by, they saw the fig tree dried up from the roots.” (Mark 11:13-14, and 20)

 

[Elin]

Not only.
Rom 11:16 For if the firstfruit be holy, the lump is also holy: and if the root be holy, so are the branches.

Yes, the root and firstfruit of the one olive tree of God's people were the holy patriarchs.