if you don't help me don't let Satan defeat me

[WoundedWarrior]

People sometimes have their minds made up before they even ask a question. The asking of the question then simply becomes a means whereby they can stay in denial about what they are really doing, since on the one hand they can say they are seeking answers, while on the other hand, the answers they have already are not going to be relinquished. Change is not easy. That is why we need the conviction of the Holy Spirit of God. When one experiences that, you cannot argue with it. You can try to deny it, but it is an internal struggle, and not something anyone else can decide for you.

Wise words! And something I am constantly being reminded of as I am new to these forums.
So often, I catch myself wanting to change another's view simply because I am convicted about my belief(s) -- It is a good reminder, that God, through His Holy Spirit, is the only one to do the convicting. It is okay to share our beliefs and views, but we must leave the changing of hearts to the Supreme Creator.

 

[EdisonTrent]

all aroud me is muslim. how can I realize I am in the truth or in the wrong way.

what only i know about christianism is message of love.

but what I see here is the contrary. There are some men rude; bad. and they spread hate and insults.

we are disscussing we don't loose anything.

your heart God given senses the two base feelings are fear and love everything else is spawned from these two..
God is Love,, fear/negative terminal was created for us to know love and have life and for him to create life universe
though pure fear will lead to being disconnected from the truth which is life/positive with God the life force. I use electricity as a tool only it's the only wording I can use to explain a living force. Though I'll loose friends for what I say I don't care anymore for it never was about me and them it's about me and God..

 

[elf3]

For there is one name under heaven by which a man may be saved.

Jesus said I am the way the truth and the life no one comes to the Father but by me.

Either you believe this and have given your life to Christ or you dont. Only one way is correct and the only way is Jesus.

 

[WoundedWarrior]

Who tempted Eve in the garden? When did Mohammad walk the earth?...AFTER Christ....Satan has been here the whole time...influencing humanity, leading astray and influencing false religion from the beginning....just like the list I gave you above...Jesus, thru John, told the church at Pergamos that he knew they dwelled where Satan's seat was located...what was located at Pergamos.....The throne of ZEUS...........a study of history and the false gods will reveal a continuing attempt by Satan to bring about the worship of himself in a man...continually thwarted by God as it was not time for that to culminate although it will at the end of the age in the man of sin, beast, little horn so called anti-Christ!

Before I continue, thank you for your candid responses to me -- Please know that I do not intend to argue for the sake of argument - but for the sake of a better understanding for myself.

I believe, like you, that Satan has been influencing humanity since the beginning of time. The question I have never been able to answer (one of the questions I would like to ask God): What about all the people who walked this Earth before Christ? What about the people who lived in the Western Hemisphere while Christ was here on Earth? Were Native Americans damned, simply because they did not have access? It is confusing to me, when I compare the God of the Old Testament to the God of the New Testament.

 

[Is]

You do understand that Satan is going to mimic Christ and will have his own religion, way etc. that will mimic the one true way....right???

Right, but these belief systems were here long before our Christ... are you suggesting that Satan came to Earth before Christ, and planted false religions in every known ancient civilization?

Why is that so hard to believe? Why did God tell Israel to destroy the nations they came in contact with?

For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness; Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath showed it unto them. For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and God-head; so that they are without excuse:

Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.

Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and four-footed beasts, and creeping things.

Romans 1:18-22

 

[WoundedWarrior]

For there is one name under heaven by which a man may be saved.

Jesus said I am the way the truth and the life no one comes to the Father but by me.

Either you believe this and have given your life to Christ or you dont. Only one way is correct and the only way is Jesus.

Does this statement hold true, for Native Americans who never got the chance to hear the Good News?

 

[WoundedWarrior]

Why is that so hard to believe? Why did God tell Israel to destroy the nations they came in contact with?

For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness; Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath showed it unto them. For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and God-head; so that they are without excuse:

Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.

Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and four-footed beasts, and creeping things.

Romans 1:18-22

I believe, like you, that Satan has been influencing humanity since the beginning of time. The question I have never been able to answer (one of the questions I would like to ask God): What about all the people who walked this Earth before Christ? What about the people who lived in the Western Hemisphere while Christ was here on Earth? Were Native Americans damned, simply because they did not have access? It is confusing to me, when I compare the God of the Old Testament to the God of the New Testament.

In the Old Testament we see a jealous and vengeful -- wrathful God.
In the New Testament we see a loving and forgiving God.

 

[elf3]

Does this statement hold true, for Native Americans who never got the chance to hear the Good News?

I asked my dad this once and here was his answer that I believe is a correct answer. He said that even if a person had never heard of the Bible or Jesus and that person said "I know there is a higher being one above all other gods being the only true God" then God would respond to that person in a way to reveal Himself too them. Before Jesus walked on the earth God revealed Himself to Isreal and He could have done the same for anyone else who asked Him for revelation.

 

[Elin]

all aroud me is muslim. how can I realize I am in the truth or in the wrong way.

what only i know about christianism is message of love.

but what I see here is the contrary. There are some men rude; bad. and they spread hate and insults.

we are disscussing we don't loose anything.

That you are a troll is easy to see.

 

[Magenta]

Mormonism teaches that the resurrected Christ visited the ancient Aboriginals of the Americas. (I am not promoting Mormonism.) Aboriginals have many stories from different tribes of a fair skinned "peace chief" who dwelt among the people, teaching peace and love for all.

 

[dcontroversal]

Before I continue, thank you for your candid responses to me -- Please know that I do not intend to argue for the sake of argument - but for the sake of a better understanding for myself.

I believe, like you, that Satan has been influencing humanity since the beginning of time. The question I have never been able to answer (one of the questions I would like to ask God): What about all the people who walked this Earth before Christ? What about the people who lived in the Western Hemisphere while Christ was here on Earth? Were Native Americans damned, simply because they did not have access? It is confusing to me, when I compare the God of the Old Testament to the God of the New Testament.

I hear ya and nothing wrong with that....My answer would be.....

There are some things that we will not be able to grasp and or understand until we stand before God...we know the following things are true...

1. The invisible things testify to the power of God and the Godhead...
2. Day unto day and night unto night sets forth knowledge and there is no voice where they cannot be heard and or understood...so all are without excuse...
3. ALL of humanity came from the three sons of Noah and their wives so ALL of humanity at one time had a vestige of the truth<--- the same truth that Noah had and understood which resulted in his righteousness and saving faith...
4. It seems that every place the truth has been has run it's course and eventually is rejected and the people are judged by God and taken out of existence and or the nations involved grow base and sink into a false religion..
5. God is fair, just and even when a people is judged by war, famine and or disease or by a weather judgment God spares all of the children that have not reached the age of accountability as children who die before reaching this age are safe under the blood IMO....
6. The name Peleg means earthquake and in the days of Peleg the earth was divided<----goes to point 3 above which was after the flood and Noah...
7. God speaks in a still small voice and I have no problem believing that God in times past, before the word was written and or the possibility of a prophet and or (missionary) that if one truly wanted to know and experience God that God can make a way for that (proverbial) man on the island to hear the truth and or come to know God dia the truth
8. Maybe the people of the West were ripe for judgment and God allowed them to go their way and die in their sins...having said that I also believe that God is fair and that it will not be as hot for someone like an American Indian as it would be for a false teacher
9. There will not be anyone in heaven that has not come dia the truth and Christ just as there will not be anyone in hell that does not deserve to be there....

At the end of the day..every man, woman and child that walked the earth will have forfeited their soul unto God upon death and God is just, fair and righteous in what he does with said soul......

God has made the wicked for the day of judgment as well as the righteous for his glory......I know this is a hard thing to accept, but it is the truth.

 

[posthuman]

You said..


You also say you believe Paul is the antichrist in the same form..

It's comments like these that make people act that way.. But I don't think anyone is being rude to you.
They are trying to show you the truth.

i try to remember how offensive it is to this man when some of us say Mohammed is antichrist.

we have to find a way to speak peaceably together, knowing that we do not believe the same things, and trying to search out and convince each other of the truth, and when we are chatting on the internet instead of face to face, this is difficult, because we do not see and hear the emotion in each others voices.

because we know we are not speaking from the same beliefs, we have to be able to look over offense and forgive each other, if we are to have any kind of dialogue that doesn't turn into just yelling at each other.

(( praying for peace ))

 

[WoundedWarrior]

i try to remember how offensive it is to this man when some of us say Mohammed is antichrist.

we have to find a way to speak peaceably together, knowing that we do not believe the same things, and trying to search out and convince each other of the truth, and when we are chatting on the internet instead of face to face, this is difficult, because we do not see and hear the emotion in each others voices.

because we know we are not speaking from the same beliefs, we have to be able to look over offense and forgive each other, if we are to have any kind of dialogue that doesn't turn into just yelling at each other.

(( praying for peace ))

While I have not read the Koran/Quran in it's entirety, from the passages I have read, it seems to portray a violent God of vengeance, versus our familiar God of love and forgiveness. This is my number one problem with the Islamic teachings.

 

[seed_time_harvest]

Seek the Truth by way of Prayer.

If both Christians and Muslims would simply focus on loving one another, rather than arguing over who is correct -- Our Creator would be pleased.

John 4:24
king James version(KJV)

24.)God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth

 

[Is]

Before I continue, thank you for your candid responses to me -- Please know that I do not intend to argue for the sake of argument - but for the sake of a better understanding for myself.
I believe, like you, that Satan has been influencing humanity since the beginning of time. The question I have never been able to answer (one of the questions I would like to ask God): What about all the people who walked this Earth before Christ? What about the people who lived in the Western Hemisphere while Christ was here on Earth? Were Native Americans damned, simply because they did not have access? It is confusing to me, when I compare the God of the Old Testament to the God of the New Testament.

Why is that so hard to believe? Why did God tell Israel to destroy the nations they came in contact with?
For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness; Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath showed it unto them. For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and God-head; so that they are without excuse:
Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.

Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and four-footed beasts, and creeping things.
Romans 1:18-22

What about all the people who walked this Earth before Christ? What about the people who lived in the Western Hemisphere while Christ was here on Earth? Were Native Americans damned, simply because they did not have access?

Even though we may not know how God is going to deal with these people specifically, we know that His judgement is going to be fair. Just this fact alone should satisfy anyone who wonders how God is going to deal with people who have never heard of Jesus Christ.

In the Old Testament we see a jealous and vengeful -- wrathful God.
In the New Testament we see a loving and forgiving God.

Was He a God of wrath because He told Israel to destroy people that worshipped:

Adram'melech and burned their children

Anam'melech and burned their children

Anat was the patroness of sex and war which was debilitating on chaste morals

Flogging boys till they bled at the altar of Artemis Orthia

Ashtoreth, Astarte, Anath, Asherah (all the same goddess) and also called Qudshu where the males consecrated to her cult were prostitutes and are called "sodomites" in the OT.

Baal which was famous for licentious dance. High places had chambers for sacred protitution by male protitutes and sacred harlots

Ba' al-pe'or whose worship the Israelites were seduced into of immorality and licentious worship

Ba'al-ze'bub the ruler of demons

Calf Worship

Che'mosh honored with horrible cruel rites to whom children were sacrifices in the fire

Mo'lech, Mo'loch honored by the sacrifice of children

Rim'mon a Syrian deity that was worshipped as generative power with the phallus as its symbol

Tammuz which rites included a divine marriage to the king annually to the fertility goddess in the person of a temple priestess

There were many others that I didn't post.

 

[SoulWeaver]

Even though we may not know how God is going to deal with these people specifically, we know that His judgement is going to be fair. Just this fact alone should satisfy anyone who wonders how God is going to deal with people who have never heard of Jesus Christ.

There actually is a mention the Bible that addresses that (imo). These people get covered with a lot of mercy, simply because they never heard of anything better, so God judges them within a much lower standard. But how much more harshly will He deal with those who kept hearing the Gospel which is the perfect standard, and not repenting all their lives.

Acts 17:30 And the times of this ignorance [worshiping idols in the past] God winked at [overlooked]; but now [when the Gospel came] commandeth all men every where to repent: 31 Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead.