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lol. It's okay if you disagree with me on this one. Marijuana use is a serious matter, and I do agree that the song could lead people to break the law, which would be sad. But, any argument for marijuana is going to make people think they are entitled to use it even though it is illegal. Just to be clear on the matter, I personally do not agree with marijuana use unless it is legal in the location of use. If marijuana became legal to use in FL today, I might give it a try, but since it is illegal I won't be using it.
Personally, I think Ben Harper is pretty great.
Personally, I think Ben Harper is pretty great.
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I smoked weed for years, and i am still friends with smokers, and they are more caring then most people I know. I think that it should be legal, me personally don't see anything wrong with it. But most people are to narrow minded to give smokers a chance. Everything in moderation though, if you let weed run your life then it can become a problem.
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Are we talking about legalization or it being a sin? This should be defined. It IS a sin. There is nothing normal about it. I think a large majority of the world used to smoke. I used to smoke for a long time. It doesn't do anything good for you. Stop trying to justify obvious sins with worldly excuses. We are not to be of this world, remember?
Pain killers make you happy, nice, and mellow too. Shall we all be addicted to those too, because surely it isn't bad for us if it makes us all nice people! This entire thread is wrong in the first place. Take it to a non biblical forum if you don't want to hear the obvious truth. Stop justifying your sin with non biblical means.
Pain killers make you happy, nice, and mellow too. Shall we all be addicted to those too, because surely it isn't bad for us if it makes us all nice people! This entire thread is wrong in the first place. Take it to a non biblical forum if you don't want to hear the obvious truth. Stop justifying your sin with non biblical means.
1) If you're going to call something a sin, show clear Scripture that says it is. Scripture is always very specific when it comes to sin.
2) Actually, marijuana is highly beneficial, medically and otherwise.
3) Again, if it's an obvious sin, show me it in Scripture
4) Do you drive a car? I hope not, because the world does too. Do you eat at restaurants? I hope not, because the world does too.
Pain killers =/= marijuana. In fact, there's not even a comparison between the two.
If marijuana is sinful, then this is exactly where it needs to be.
2) Actually, marijuana is highly beneficial, medically and otherwise.
3) Again, if it's an obvious sin, show me it in Scripture
4) Do you drive a car? I hope not, because the world does too. Do you eat at restaurants? I hope not, because the world does too.
Pain killers =/= marijuana. In fact, there's not even a comparison between the two.
If marijuana is sinful, then this is exactly where it needs to be.
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I don't know about everyone else, but I'm talking about both. It should be legalized, and it is not a sin.
What's not normal?
Smoking doesn't do anything good for people, I agree. The argument, however, is not about smoking. It is about marijuana. Not every person that uses marijuana smokes it.
Using scripture to explain why something is not a sin is not "worldly excuses."
No one has said addiction is a good thing. Your argument is fallacious.
Also, a little tip for you: when trying to make a logical argument, avoid rhetorical questions. They have no truth value and can serve to confuse your intended audience. Say what you mean, and leave out the rhetorical questions.
We are not trying to explain why marijuana is not a sin with "non biblical means."
What's not normal?
Smoking doesn't do anything good for people, I agree. The argument, however, is not about smoking. It is about marijuana. Not every person that uses marijuana smokes it.
Using scripture to explain why something is not a sin is not "worldly excuses."
No one has said addiction is a good thing. Your argument is fallacious.
Also, a little tip for you: when trying to make a logical argument, avoid rhetorical questions. They have no truth value and can serve to confuse your intended audience. Say what you mean, and leave out the rhetorical questions.
We are not trying to explain why marijuana is not a sin with "non biblical means."
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so explain it biblically, except you can't and haven't... just a lot of opinions with no biblical scripture to back it up... but I can repost mine
Since we have these promises, beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from every defilement of body and spirit, and make holiness perfect in the fear of God.
2 Corinthians 7:1
Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour. Peters 5:8
[FONT=Arial,helvitica]There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it. Corinthians 10:13
[/FONT][FONT=Arial,helvitica]Thou shalt have no other gods before me. Exodus 20:3 (addiction is placed before God, it becomes your god/idol) weed is an addiction, not physically but mentally
[/FONT][FONT=Arial,helvitica]Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.[/FONT] Romans 1:25
Overall, it is your choice, but to continue to do it if you know it is wrong is a sin.
[FONT=Arial,helvitica]Jesus said unto him, It is written again, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God. Mathew 4:7[/FONT]
Since we have these promises, beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from every defilement of body and spirit, and make holiness perfect in the fear of God.
2 Corinthians 7:1
Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour. Peters 5:8
[FONT=Arial,helvitica]There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it. Corinthians 10:13
[/FONT][FONT=Arial,helvitica]Thou shalt have no other gods before me. Exodus 20:3 (addiction is placed before God, it becomes your god/idol) weed is an addiction, not physically but mentally
[/FONT][FONT=Arial,helvitica]Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.[/FONT] Romans 1:25
Overall, it is your choice, but to continue to do it if you know it is wrong is a sin.
[FONT=Arial,helvitica]Jesus said unto him, It is written again, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God. Mathew 4:7[/FONT]
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1) If you're going to call something a sin, show clear Scripture that says it is. Scripture is always very specific when it comes to sin.
2) Actually, marijuana is highly beneficial, medically and otherwise.
3) Again, if it's an obvious sin, show me it in Scripture
4) Do you drive a car? I hope not, because the world does too. Do you eat at restaurants? I hope not, because the world does too.
2) Actually, marijuana is highly beneficial, medically and otherwise.
3) Again, if it's an obvious sin, show me it in Scripture
4) Do you drive a car? I hope not, because the world does too. Do you eat at restaurants? I hope not, because the world does too.
1) Not on everything, it isn't. God gave man a conscious for a reason. If you numb yours into not working any longer due to being too stoned to notice, that is your own problem.
2) There is no benefit to medical marijuana. It makes you feel better. So do most drugs and sins of the flesh.
3) Apparently, you don't understand basic truths. Was there the law before Moses? Why was it a sin for Cain to murder his brother Abel, if God never wrote it in the 10 commandments yet? There was no laws stating it was wrong back then. There were no governments. Why was it a sin again? It didn't say it was in scripture at the time. HMMMM, let's use our brains that aren't destroyed by being high.
4) No comment to this. I pray that the Lord shows you more understanding of His word.
Obviously you haven't read the whole thread, because I did quote Scriptural justification.
Once again, specific Scripture. G-d has never been ambiguous in telling us what is sinful and what is not. None of these say marijuana is a sin.
[FONT=Arial,helvitica] [/FONT] ANYTHING can become a mental addiction. That's the fault of the person, not the fault of the object. Marijuana in and of itself is not addictive AT ALL. If you get addicted to marijuana, it is because of your own failing.
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Once again, specific Scripture. G-d has never been ambiguous in telling us what is sinful and what is not. None of these say marijuana is a sin.
[FONT=Arial,helvitica] [/FONT] ANYTHING can become a mental addiction. That's the fault of the person, not the fault of the object. Marijuana in and of itself is not addictive AT ALL. If you get addicted to marijuana, it is because of your own failing.
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Two things wrong with this statement. First, yes it is. G-d is not the author of confusion. He has always been and will always be clear and specific on what is right and what is wrong.
Are you a doctor? Because I know a lot of doctors, and all of them have said the same thing: you're wrong.
Again, two things wrong with this statement:
a) Marijuana does not have any adverse effects on the brain.
b) Before the Torah, G-d gave His commands orally. Now, however, we have the Torah and the rest of Scripture that says the exact same thing.
I pray G-d shows me more understanding of His Word, too I pray He shows you more understanding of His Word, too. I pray that for ALL of us, because we can never get enough of His Word.
However, it's not understanding of the Word I need in this case. The problem is you want to call people out for "being like the world" when it is convenient for you, but when it is inconvenient in cases such as driving a car and eating out, it's perfectly acceptable.
Are you a doctor? Because I know a lot of doctors, and all of them have said the same thing: you're wrong.
Again, two things wrong with this statement:
a) Marijuana does not have any adverse effects on the brain.
b) Before the Torah, G-d gave His commands orally. Now, however, we have the Torah and the rest of Scripture that says the exact same thing.
I pray G-d shows me more understanding of His Word, too
I pray He shows you more understanding of His Word, too. I pray that for ALL of us, because we can never get enough of His Word. However, it's not understanding of the Word I need in this case. The problem is you want to call people out for "being like the world" when it is convenient for you, but when it is inconvenient in cases such as driving a car and eating out, it's perfectly acceptable.
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Then God said, "I give you every seed-bearing plant on the face of the whole earth and every tree that has fruit with seed in it. They will be yours for food. Genesis 1:29
Marijuana comes from the seed-bearing plant cannabis
In order for this verse to work, you must prove marijuana is a defilement. At the moment, you are using circular reasoning.
circular reasoning: Marijuana is defiles the body. Why? Because 2 Corinthians 7:1 says to cleanse the body of every defilement.
If consumed in food, marijuana is not liable to cause you to lose your sobriety. Just like people can consume alcohol and still be sober, people can consume marijuana and still be sober.
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How does this show marijuana is sinful?
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Just because some people become addicted mentally, does not mean everyone does.
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This works for anything. I like books. For me, books could become sinful if I worship them more than God. Likewise, if marijuana can become sinful if someone worships it, but the assumption here is that people are not worshiping it. They are simply using it.
No one has convinced me it is a sin. If you think it is a sin, and wish to abstain from using it I respect your wish. You can abstain from marijuana use because it doesn't affect your walk with God either way.
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Satan wasn't offering Jesus marijuana.
Marijuana comes from the seed-bearing plant cannabis
In order for this verse to work, you must prove marijuana is a defilement. At the moment, you are using circular reasoning.
circular reasoning: Marijuana is defiles the body. Why? Because 2 Corinthians 7:1 says to cleanse the body of every defilement.
If consumed in food, marijuana is not liable to cause you to lose your sobriety. Just like people can consume alcohol and still be sober, people can consume marijuana and still be sober.
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How does this show marijuana is sinful?
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Just because some people become addicted mentally, does not mean everyone does.
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This works for anything. I like books. For me, books could become sinful if I worship them more than God. Likewise, if marijuana can become sinful if someone worships it, but the assumption here is that people are not worshiping it. They are simply using it.
No one has convinced me it is a sin. If you think it is a sin, and wish to abstain from using it I respect your wish. You can abstain from marijuana use because it doesn't affect your walk with God either way.
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Satan wasn't offering Jesus marijuana.
Let me try to understand your position here...
You tell us that we have no Scripture to justify the use of marijuana. Then we supply said Scripture that is VERY clear that all seed-bearing plants are good to consume, and you accuse us of twisting Scripture.
Meanwhile, in your own post you find Scriptural "support" that says it is a sin, and all you can supply is vague verses on the subject that don't even actually apply to something like marijuana.
You tell us that we have no Scripture to justify the use of marijuana. Then we supply said Scripture that is VERY clear that all seed-bearing plants are good to consume, and you accuse us of twisting Scripture.
Meanwhile, in your own post you find Scriptural "support" that says it is a sin, and all you can supply is vague verses on the subject that don't even actually apply to something like marijuana.
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But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the aboninable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death. Revelation 21:8
The greak translation for sorcery is Pharmakiea That is were they get the word Pharmacy which means drugs. So sorcery and mind-altering drugs go hand in hand. Drugs are used in sorcery because they alter a persons state of consciousness and help them to be influenced by demonic spirits. That is why people on drugs make such bad decsions. That is also why a lot of these rock musician expesially from the 70's and 80's are so bazare---because these people were on drugs and these demonic spirits helped them write there songs.
So does the Bible say that smoking merijuana is a sin. Yes, in a round about why it accualy does.
The greak translation for sorcery is Pharmakiea That is were they get the word Pharmacy which means drugs. So sorcery and mind-altering drugs go hand in hand. Drugs are used in sorcery because they alter a persons state of consciousness and help them to be influenced by demonic spirits. That is why people on drugs make such bad decsions. That is also why a lot of these rock musician expesially from the 70's and 80's are so bazare---because these people were on drugs and these demonic spirits helped them write there songs.
So does the Bible say that smoking merijuana is a sin. Yes, in a round about why it accualy does.