Nicolaitanes philosophy of “systematic distortion” and negation of scripture.

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It devolves into a debate over the purpose of the Law in the NT Church because
some people who belong to cc still want to practice a Nicolaitan doctrine
Baloney. . .pure baloney. . .as has been thoroughly shown. . .for those who have eyes that can see.

It makes "straw man" look lame.
 
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Then there is another very interesting possibility for the origin of this sect so despised by Almighty God. This theory teaches that the original Nicolas was Nimrod. Their basis for this is that Nicolaitan means "a follower of Nicolas." It comes from two Greek words, nikos and laos. Nikos means "conqueror" or "destroyer," and laos means "people," and that means the original Nicolas was a conqueror or destroyer of the people. Nimrod conquered the people and established a man-made society within 200 years of the Flood (Genesis 10:8-12) and when he died his followers still continued to worship him. They called him “Baal,” which means “master” or “lord.”
Nimrod was known by other names as well. One which was commonly used in Asia Minor was “Santa” (see Lempriere's Classical Dictionary.) “Santa Claus” is merely a shortened form of “Santa Nicholas.” We are all familiar with how the customs associated with December 25 have become a firmly established part of our modern culture. What we are not as familiar with is the fact that December 25 was Nimrod’s birthday, Jesus Christ’s birthday. These customs have been handed down and their elements manipulated in order to be accepted by “Christian” churches.

Whichever theory is true, there is no doubt from what scripture itself tells us, that the deeds of the Nicolaitans are an abomination to Christ. Nicolaitans and their philosophy are usually thought of in a historical manner but the fact of the matter is that very few churches in the 21[SUP]st[/SUP] century are operating outside of Nicolaitans antinomian and pagan-infused doctrine.

It is unlikely that there existed a sect of people that actually called themselves the Nicolaitans but we are told enough about them in scripture to know this much: first, Nicolaitanism is a belief system, like a religion or a philosophy; secondly, Nicolaitanism results in ungodly behavior; and third, Christ abhors it.
 

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The debates and arguments begin with those who demand parts of scripture to be deleted.

The false doctrine of the heretical JW cult views Eph 2:15 as "deleting OT Scripture."

The ridiculous notion speaks for itself.
 

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As I said a day ago, I started researching the Nicolaitans a few days ago and discovered that there is a lot of mere speculation floating around out there on the internet about who the Nicolaitans might have been, which doesn’t interest me at all. As I post comments on this thread my comments come mostly from historical and ecclesiastical historic sources, such as ​The History of the Christian Church, Volume II: Ante-Nicene Christianity, A.D. 100-325. The information can be found but it is harder to find than exposés written by some know-it-all self –proclaimed “Bible teacher” who has concocted an earthshaking essay based on assumptions of other people’s assumptions, based on assumptions of other people’s assumptions, based on assumptions of other people’s assumptions, and on and on they go.

The NICOLAITANS

Who are they?
Where the actual name ‘Nicolaitans’ came from is not definite. They were a heretical sect who some say were followers of the teachings of Nicolas—whose name means “one who conquers the people”. This Nicolas was one of the deacons spoken of in Acts 6:5. Seeing what the requirements were for a man to become a deacon, (“Brothers, choose seven men from among yourselves who are known to be full of the Spirit and wisdom… Acts 6:3), it does seem odd that a man full of the Holy Spirit, the major requirement, would go apostate. But it is possible that he did deny the true faith and associate himself with a group of people “holding the doctrine of Balaam,” who taught Israel “to sin by eating food sacrificed to idols and by committing sexual immorality."

However, according to The History of the Christian Church, Volume II: Ante-Nicene Christianity A.D. 100-325, the Nicolaitans are a licentious sect that claimed this same Nicolas as their founder. Clement of Alexandria (missionary theologian to the Greek cultural world) says, “They abandoned themselves to pleasure like goats, leading a life of self-indulgence.” Their teaching was a perversion of the grace of Almighty God. Yet, Clement said of this Nicolas that he was a faithful husband and raised his children in purity, but that his disciples misunderstood his saying, “that we must fight against the flesh and abuse it.”

Irenaeus (Haer. 1.26.3) basically repeats the biblical material, adding the assertion that the Nicolaitans were heretical followers of Nicolaus, the proselyte of Antioch who was chosen to be one of The Seven (Acts 6:5). Hippolytus (Haer. 7.24) underscores Irenaeus, adding that Nicolaus departed from true doctrine. Clement of Alexandria (Str. 2.20) claims that Nicolaus was an ascetic, and then current Nicolaitans were not his true followers because they perverted his teaching that it was necessary to abuse the flesh.
Because they include nothing else about the sect the importance of these early citations has been questioned by some scholars.

Other commentators believe that the label, “Nicolaitans” didn’t come from a man at all but from the Greek word Nicolah, meaning "let us eat," as they often encouraged each other to eat things offered to idols.
And none of it having to do with Christianity today. . .

All of it a straw man to discredit NT Scriptures in favor of OT Scriptures.

Talk about division. . .
 

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It seems we r dancing around the real crux of the matter. We can't seem to force ourselves to say it. The clerical/laity system equals the deeds of the Nicolaitans.
There is no factual basis for that statement.
 
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It is about time you quit accusing others of belonging to the JW denomination. It appears you have rested from accusing some of us of belonging to the HRM for a while - that's a nice break - now, stop lying to everyone on these threads.

The purpose of this thread was to warn decent, sincere believers that they have been taught much that comes from the Nicolaitan doctrine so they can repent of that evil. You are the one who constantly turns what should be edifying posts into argumentative hateful rhetoric.

It is also time you grow up and start acting like a responsible adult - and I will make this B-I-G stretch and say,a responsible adult Christian who bears the fruit of the Spirit...yeah, too big of a stretch I guess.
Thank you. Evidently Elin didn't read this post
 

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“He removed the high places, and brake the images, and cut down the groves, and brake in pieces the brasen serpent that Moses had made: for unto those days the children of Israel did burn incense to it: and he called it Nehushtan.” (2 Kings 18:4)

Yes, the people had come to worship God's sign of healing, which they named Nehushtan.

It seems idolatry was practiced among the Jews in the OT.
So I guess that means all believing Jews in the NT likewise practice idolatry.


Nehushtan was never meant to replace Yahweh, but to be a channel of Yahweh, i.e. a "way opener" related to “watchtowers” **. . .and water columns and pipes and in general the heavens. The serpent marked the way to the after life.”

**So much for the JW allegation, HUH Elin?

Falls somewhat short of a denial thereof.








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Elin

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It is about time you quit accusing others of belonging to the JW denomination.
Read 'em again.

The purpose of this thread was to warn decent,
sincere believers that they
have been taught much that comes from the Nicolaitan doctrine
so they can repent of that evil.
Assertion without demonstration is without merit.
 

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the fact of the matter is that very few churches in the 21[SUP]st[/SUP] century are operating outside of Nicolaitans antinomian and pagan-infused doctrine.
Baloney. . .pure baloney.
 
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no wonder there is confusion. on here. you want to make up your minds, follow the law, like the non christian jew, or follow grace
repent, of evil.
You are severed from Christ, you who would be justified by the law; you have fallen away from grace


saved by grace a gift.


For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore, and do not submit again to a yoke of slavery.(law)

iin simple terms , if jesus is your saviour, looking again at law, for justification is pointless,

law v grace explained.

2 Look: I, Paul, say to you that if you accept circumcision, Christ will be of no advantage to you.3 I testify again to every man who accepts circumcision that he is obligated to keep the whole law.4 You are severed from Christ, you who would be justified by the law; you have fallen away from grace

in simple terms going back to the law when you believe jesus has saved you. or trying to win more favour in gods eyes thinking my good deeds with make me more saved or have more standing. etc


21 I do not nullify the grace of God, for if righteousness were through the law, then Christ died for no purpose.Galatians 2
 
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Assertion without demonstration is without merit.
The proof is in the pudding! Or to use scripture, You will know them by their fruits. Matthew 7:16-20 (NAS)
16 "You will know them by their fruits. Grapes are not gathered from thorn bushes nor figs from thistles, are they?
17 "So every good tree bears good fruit, but the bad tree bears bad fruit.
18 "A good tree cannot * produce bad fruit, nor can a bad tree produce good fruit.
19 "Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire.
20 "So then, you will know them by their fruits.
 
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Elin said:
Assertion without demonstration is without merit.
The proof is in the pudding! Or to use scripture, You will know them by their fruits. Matthew 7:16-20 (NAS)
More assertion without demonstration and, therefore, without merit.
 
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I am looking for a forum where topics from the Bible, particularly things relevant to these last days we are living in are discussed and I thought this would be the right one to start with. I am looking for a place where people actually talk to each other politely with the love Christ said we are to show others, and this thread isn't it for sure. Can anyone suggest a forum where a kinder atmosphere prevails?
 

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I am just curious Elin -what makes you so sure you are right?
What I think about it doesn't matter. . .if you think I am not, it is your job to show factually that I am not.
 
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I am looking for a forum where topics from the Bible, particularly things relevant to these last days we are living in are discussed and I thought this would be the right one to start with. I am looking for a place where people actually talk to each other politely with the love Christ said we are to show others, and this thread isn't it for sure. Can anyone suggest a forum where a kinder atmosphere prevails?
Elin follows me around, so if you are looking for a sane conversation, do not attribute to her post. I would suggest that you put her on ignore if you want to discuss without any hindrance. If not you need to reject my postings as will, but keep in mind I do not start conflicts. See my signature. I usually don't read what she posts because I know she's refuting what I write. May God bless you in your search for decent people in CC. There are many.:)
 
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What I think about it doesn't matter. . .if you think I am not, it is your job to show factually that I am not.
I would be happy to but that can only take place if certain conditions exist. One cannot teach someone else anything if they don't want to learn, and you manifest an attitude of already knowing everything there is to learn and you belittle anyone who expresses beliefs or thoughts different than yours. So when I asked why you believe you are absolutely correct and I am totally wrong, I expected a real answer from someone so smart.
 
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I am looking for a forum where topics from the Bible, particularly things relevant to these last days we are living in are discussed and I thought this would be the right one to start with. I am looking for a place where people actually talk to each other politely with the love Christ said we are to show others, and this thread isn't it for sure. Can anyone suggest a forum where a kinder atmosphere prevails?
Fact is we are W-E-L-L into the last days... and the divisiveness is getting increasingly divisive... you're gonna have to toughen up some.:)
 
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Fact is we are W-E-L-L into the last days... and the divisiveness is getting increasingly divisive... you're gonna have to toughen up some.:)
You got it gal!!! LOL Duck!!! Incoming!!!
"Thou therefore endure hardness, as a good soldier of Jesus Christ." (2 Timothy 2:3)
 
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Elin follows me around, so if you are looking for a sane conversation, do not attribute to her post. I would suggest that you put her on ignore if you want to discuss without any hindrance. If not you need to reject my postings as will, but keep in mind I do not start conflicts. See my signature. I usually don't read what she posts because I know she's refuting what I write. May God bless you in your search for decent people in CC. There are many.:)
Thank you for the advice - I will see what I can find.