Coming out

Levichevett · Aug 6, 2015

I may have told some of u but most of u probably don't know but I used to say I was bi but I don't think I am I think I am gay. I've never been in love with a girl but I have with guys. I've been with girls and all the sex and that its just pleasure and lust like I don't have any feelings towards the girl. I guess I did things like that becuase everyone was telling me I was wrong and a freak and this was by non Christians. When I'm with a guy it's like sex isn't even there it's just being with him and seeing him smile and all the little things. With everything that's happened recently it's like Gods trying to get me to accept who i am and that's what I'm doing. I know most ppl are gonna post something about how sinful it is. I looked at other threads about homosexuality before this. But really I'm just posting this to get it off my chest. You won't find inner peace until you find your inner self, Til then it's hell.

planetzorb · Aug 6, 2015

Coming out is incredibly scary and difficult, so first of all: congrats!

I know I may not share the same opinion of many Christians on here, but I earnestly believe that God created us just as we are. Gay, bi, straight - He loves us equally. There are many churches now that embrace the LGBT community, so I suggest you find one near you for support.

I'm bi, so I understand what you're going through. When I'm with a girl, it's not a sexual thing. It just feels natural to be in her presence and fall in love with her beautiful smile and personality. I don't believe that something so pure and innocent as love can ever be categorized as sin.

If you ever need someone to talk to, send me a PM. God bless xx

blondieindahouse · Aug 6, 2015

God did not create either one of you to be sexually immoral .
Neither one of you are christians! PERIOD! God will NOT BE MOCKED. I do not see any remorse or brokenness for your sin!! In fact BOTH of you are embracing what is sin! What foolish deceived kids you are.

Levi you came here what a month ago with your sad sob stories and now this? You are a troll! And you,planetzorb, you are encouraging him to join a false church that embraces LBGT? LOL Why didnt you come out and let everyone know in your post yesterday that you think you are bi? Was it easier to lie? Everyone welcomed who they perceived to be a true christian.

The description “gay or bi Christian” is not accurate for any one such person, since he/she does not desire to be gay, and is struggling against the temptations. Such a person is not a “gay or bi Christian,” but rather is simply a struggling Christian. By that definition: neither one of you has been regenerated. Instead you wear it loud and proud!!

“Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God” (1 Corinthians 6:9-10). There is a tendency to declare homosexuality as the worst of all sins. While it is undeniable, biblically speaking, that homosexuality is immoral and unnatural (Romans 1:26-27), in no sense does the Bible describe homosexuality as an unforgivable sin. Nor does the Bible teach that homosexuality is a sin Christians will never struggle against.

Perhaps that is the key phrase in the question of whether it is possible to be a gay Christian: “struggle against.” It is possible for a Christian to struggle with homosexual temptations. Many homosexuals who become Christians have ongoing struggles with homosexual feelings and desires. Some strongly heterosexual men and women have experienced a “spark” of homosexual interest at some point in their lives. Whether or not these desires and temptations exist does not determine whether a person is a Christian. The Bible is clear that no Christian is sinless (1 John 1:8,10). While the specific sin / temptation varies from one Christian to another, all Christians have struggles with sin, and all Christians sometimes fail in those struggles (1 Corinthians 10:13).

What differentiates a Christian’s life from a non-Christian’s life is the struggle against sin. The Christian life is a progressive journey of overcoming the “acts of the flesh” (Galatians 5:19-21) and allowing God’s Spirit to produce the “fruit of the Spirit” (Galatians 5:22-23). Yes, Christians sin, sometimes horribly. Sadly, sometimes Christians are indistinguishable from non-Christians. However, a true Christian will always repent, will always eventually return to God, and will always resume the struggle against sin. But the Bible gives no support for the idea that a person who perpetually and unrepentantly engages in sin can indeed be a Christian. Notice 1 Corinthians 6:11, "And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God."

First Corinthians 6:9-10 lists sins that, if indulged in continuously, identify a person as not being redeemed—not being a Christian. Often, homosexuality is singled out from this list. If a person struggles with homosexual temptations, that person is presumed to be unsaved. If a person actually engages in homosexual acts, that person is definitely thought to be unsaved. However, the same assumptions are not made, at least not with the same emphasis, regarding other sins in the list: fornication (pre-marital sex), idolatry, adultery, thievery, covetousness, alcoholism, slander, and deceit. It is inconsistent, for example, to declare those guilty of pre-marital sex as “disobedient Christians,” while declaring homosexuals definitively non-Christians.

Is it possible to be a gay or bi Christian? If the phrase “gay or bi Christian” refers to a person who struggles against homosexual desires and temptations – yes, a “gay or bi Christian” is possible. However, the description “gay or bi Christian” is not accurate for such a person, since he/she does not desire to be gay, and is struggling against the temptations. Such a person is not a “gay Christian,” but rather is simply a struggling Christian, just as there are Christians who struggle with fornication, lying, and stealing. If the phrase “gay Christian” refers to a person who actively, perpetually, and unrepentantly lives a homosexual lifestyle – no, it is not possible for such a person to truly be a Christian.

Ugly · Aug 6, 2015

If God created people as gay/bi and it's ok then why is it listed as an abomination to God?
Its not about 'opinion' it's about Gods written word. Just because you dislike a portion of the bible doesn't mean you can ignore it to suite what you want. Sorry guys. Give opinions you want but my God still says its wrong in His word.

secularhermit · Aug 6, 2015

Levichevett said:

I may have told some of u but most of u probably don't know but I used to say I was bi but I don't think I am I think I am gay. I've never been in love with a girl but I have with guys. I've been with girls and all the sex and that its just pleasure and lust like I don't have any feelings towards the girl. I guess I did things like that becuase everyone was telling me I was wrong and a freak and this was by non Christians. When I'm with a guy it's like sex isn't even there it's just being with him and seeing him smile and all the little things. With everything that's happened recently it's like Gods trying to get me to accept who i am and that's what I'm doing. I know most ppl are gonna post something about how sinful it is. I looked at other threads about homosexuality before this. But really I'm just posting this to get it off my chest. You won't find inner peace until you find your inner self, Til then it's hell.

I don´t believe that, at 14, you really know WHO you are...

secularhermit · Aug 6, 2015

Ugly said:

Sad!

To NOT assume personal responsibility they "blamed" God by endorsing their faults and troubled life.

Hungry · Aug 6, 2015

Levichevett, you must already know that most people on this site will disagree with you, and the decisions you made and call good. I am in that camp, however I have a question. I have heard something about the physiology of the brain. For whatever reason did you have a lot of stress as a child? I don't need to know any details, but was there a long period when you were continually stressed? Thanks for any info you can provide.

planetzorb · Aug 6, 2015

Y'all need to calm down. We all share different opinions and we need to learn to embrace diversity. Please do not attack me for my own personal beliefs. Remember to do all things in love, not hate and intolerance. God bless x

Willie-T · Aug 6, 2015

If you have decided you have to, go ahead and state that you are going to defiantly follow whatever desires you feel. But, don't blame God for "making me this way."

I have some pretty messed up thinking and desires from a lot of ____ in my childhood. But I do not try to deny my responsibility not to act on those feelings I know are wrong.

Use some common sense. God would not create homosexuals as though they were a cool thing, then turn right around in His Scriptures and declare that creation as totally wrong and against His will for us.

secularhermit · Aug 6, 2015

planetzorb said:

After THE TIME He has set for US to repent and change, he also has said these, for our HEED:

Rev 21:8 But the fearful, and the unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and fornicators, and drug users, and idolaters, and all liars, these shall be a part of the pool burning with fire and sulphur, which is the second death." (CPDV2009)

Rev 22:14 God will bless all who have washed their robes. They will each have the right to eat fruit from the tree that gives life, and they can enter the gates of the city.
Rev 22:15 But outside the city will be dogs, witches, immoral people, murderers, idol worshipers, and everyone who loves to tell lies and do wrong.

Catholic version: CPDV2009

Rev 22:15 Outside are dogs, and drug users, and homosexuals, and murderers, and those who serve idols, and all who love and do what is false.

If these things are so, after EARTHLY life, THERE ARE EXCEPTIONS TO THAT LOVE YOU´VE THOUGHT IT IS, eternally.

secularhermit · Aug 6, 2015

planetzorb said:

By the way, the moment "Pedophiles" wanted to receive certain additional rights, they probably would say that: "embrace AGE diversities"

God has spoken!

No to hurting or bashing but, He has spoken.

VioletReigns · Aug 6, 2015

Levichevett said:

I won't address your outward person because the Lord deals with our heart, not our flesh. The flesh (carnal, outward man) is an enemy of God. None of us can proclaim our flesh is good because the Word says nobody is righteous of themselves. Not one person.

I will address your statement about finding your inner self. Your inner self cannot be defined or fulfilled by anything outward. We were made to have fellowship with God and the Holy Spirit is the One who is our inner Person. It is Christ Jesus living in me. We are made in His image and He conforms us into that image more & more as we surrender our hearts & minds to Him.

I often think hell is a place where the only thing you're aware of for an eternity is yourself. How awful! To be forever focused on yourself and never having communication with God or anyone else. Like being buried alive in the dark abyss forever. How humiliating and terrible and depressing! Like being lost forever because we have no inner self outside of Jesus Christ.

All we possess without Jesus are fleeting feelings and false perceptions and just no end of unstable thoughts. We are like waves tossed all over with every emotion. Only Jesus Christ can give you your identity and it is in Him alone.

planetzorb said:

Love is not a feeling. And love is not something you desire from someone else. That's called affection. Real love is this: giving up your life, your rights for someone else. Love is patient and kind, it never thinks about itself, love puts others needs ahead of their own needs, love endures through everything and hopes for the best for other people, it's never jealous, always forgives, doesn't keep account of wrongs done against them. Love never fails.

That kind of love comes from God. Only God can make us love others like that. Otherwise, I'm kidding myself if I think love is the way someone else makes me feel. That's purely selfish. That ain't love.

jsr1221 · Aug 6, 2015

secularhermit said:

Shoot... At 24 I'm still finding myself.

Willie-T · Aug 6, 2015

Are you kidding? At 70, I'm still wondering what I'll be when (if?) I grow up.

shineyourlight · Aug 6, 2015

jsr1221 said:

I'm 26 and am in the same boat. At 14, I was basically clueless.

Life is about finding out who you are.

VioletReigns · Aug 6, 2015

Actually, the older I get the greater my desire to reach for Jesus and wanting Him to draw closer to me. I don't need to know who I am in this world, I know who I am to Jesus and that in itself is way amazing for me to comprehend.

planetzorb · Aug 6, 2015

As much as I respect everyone's views, I don't appreciate being accused as 'not a true Christian'. Please don't let your own beliefs cloud your ability to be kind, gentle and compassionate to those who think differently. I am not interested in having a theological debate, as I am neither mature enough nor experienced enough. There are many people more educated than I (check out gaychristian.net). However this doesn't make me any less of a believer than you.

I hope the OP finds the peace and love he deserves, no matter what happens

Blessings x

KJB · Aug 6, 2015

At 14, many adolescents go through stages and moments in life where they are trying to be independent through autonomy from their parents, and they are trying to find their identities. It is a natural occurrence, but in that, I think you need positive perspectives from a church group, or a youth group in which you can rely on. Talk to your elders and to your minister. You need a lot more reflecting, it's like saying I am going to be a trash pick up man and only focus on that (not saying it's a bad job, but you miss out on other opportunities). The thing is you cannot define who you are or what you are, you need to be in Jesus, even with those tendencies to be homosexual, I have the tendency to lie doesn't mean I will say "Oh well God made me He loves me but I want to lie to everyone's face, I will be an open liar". Just doesn't swing that way. Continue to reflect, continue to read threads about why it is wrong, and continue to seek God.

zoii · Aug 7, 2015

Ive had to take some deep breaths reading a couple of the adult comments. I doubt the lovely levichett and Planetzorb were seeking the comments forecasting doom. I think maybe they were talking to us teens. If adults comment they are sure allowed to but I really wish you'd cut-out the old-school hit with a stick approach to communicating. Lemme guess what Levichett and Planet Zorbs response was.....*reading first line and... zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz* constructive answers sparks some interest - -ve blabs just close their ears.

As for me - guys you two are so brave - I really wish I had your courage. I know you guys wanna be open and honest. I hope you find people who you can bounce off. You guys still hold to Christian ideals or at least trying to work out what your believe and think and feel. All I can say is yeah me too!!! I hope I see u guys around in the teen room or PM me if you want. If things get u down reach out to someone with counselling skills - I promise you it does help if u allow it. I use a journal and I wouldn't have believed how that's helped me. Hang onto your spiritual journey - not all adults here were harsh so take it in n think about it.... but aside from that... massive hugs for you both. You guys rock for being so brave

kingerik · Aug 7, 2015

planetzorb said:

No. It's wrong. period. Like you really have to sharpie certain verses in your bible if you want to believe that homosexuality is not sin and besides it isn't right logically...if God made man and women and then gave them the opportunity to pro-create then why can't male/male or female/female do that.

No, what you're doing is saying that you can live any way you want and God still gives you a pat on the back? I know this sounds rude but you're a liar and the truth isn't in you. Yes, you can be BORN a homosexual but that doesn't mean it's right...we are born and shaped by sin. A baby doesn't have to be taught to lie, steal, or even be violent. They grow up violent, lying, and stealing without having to be taught that because we are born and shaped by sin. Does it make anymore right? No? same thing... No matter how much you want to sugarcoat it or how much it "Feels" right. It doesn't make it so. People can fall in "Love" all the time but get divorced a year later...feelings aren't the truth. Feelings are fickle. I don't feel like praying everyday and I don't feel like going to church sometimes but if I let feelings guide my life I would be a broken mess.

It is very much wrong and there is no amount of scripture twisting you can do to make it right.

To the original poster- It sounds like you have pretty much decided what you want, but I ask that you really and truly pray...you came here for a reason. You could have vented anywhere else but you came here. Just seek God man. We all have desires we struggle with everyday but God has given us the victory at the cross. Even if you decide on whatever, stay in the word, keep praying, fasting, and seeking God with all of your heart.

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