For those who say they were saved before they spoke in tongues....

convallaria · Aug 7, 2015

Like I wrote before, we each have to come to our own conclusions based on the Bible and the HolySpirit's leading. You see it differently and there are others who write Bible commentary who agree with you.., But there are just as many others who don't and I'm in agreement with them. For as many believers that are in the world and study the Bible and write commentary, not all see it one way or your way.
The accompanying verses that clarify the interpretation do indeed support Mark 16:15-20 and they are not isolated. I don't question the translation as it stands in Mark 16 to the end and am not alone. I want to make it clear this interpretation has just as much support from Scripture as you say yours does.

I agree. And most translations will have footnotes or comments on things that are questionable or later additions. It is up to each of us, individually, to study it out and come to our own conclusion.

IMO, the verses in question, should NOT be in our translations.

Honestly, who wouldn't want them in there.........................it would be pretty fun, and self edifying to go lap up some cyanide, with a viper attached to our neck while we call down some thunder with tongues, to cast out a demon!

Not interested in doing that stuff with the cyanide and viper...not a fan of snakes or poison Gr8grace and have never done anything like you said when I pray in tongues in my personal private prayer time.

AMEN sister WTG.

Utah · Aug 7, 2015

convallaria said:

Thank you for understanding where I am coming from.

Yes you are right, God knows his heart: that will either be a comfort to him or a worry. Hopefully it was only an unfortunate use of words arising from a bad personal experience. Most things can be put right with humility and a repentant attitude.

There is a whole world of service out there required and we need to know that we cannot do this by the flesh. Whatever others are doing, or not doing, we need to make sure that we ourselves are moving in the will of God, and consistent with His plain word.

Humility? I'm from New Jersey, I don't know what that is.

And again, it's all good for our Brother.

convallaria · Aug 7, 2015

ladylynn said:

I do not know how the angels speak in heaven but they do have a heavenly language and they speak it all the time when they are not speaking a human language. There is a lot we do not understand about the workings of God but believe nevertheless. I've been stretched to believe more and more of what I don't understand. This issue is something that has certainly stretched my previous understanding of the Bible about the meaning and purpose of speaking in tongues. If someone said 10 years ago that I would be speaking in tongues there is no way I would believe that could be true.

Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become [as] sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal.Note 1 at 1Co 13:1: There are different kinds of tongues. That's why Paul spoke of "divers" (i.e., different) kinds of tongues (1Co 12:10). This verse mentions two kinds of tongues--those that are human languages and those that are angelic languages.
"Tongues of men" simply refers to known languages that are in use here on earth. This is the type of tongue that the believers spoke on the Day of Pentecost (Ac 2:1-11). They spoke in the native tongues of the people who had come from foreign countries to Jerusalem for the feast. The believers who spoke in these tongues had not learned these languages, and they did not understand what they were saying as they spoke. Still, those from the different countries understood them perfectly.
"Tongues of angels" simply refers to the languages that angels speak. Some might see a benefit in speaking in the "tongues of men." After all, that was quite a testimony to the multitudes, and many were saved as a result. But what benefit is there to speaking in the tongues of angels?
One of the great advantages of speaking in tongues is that when we speak in tongues, we are praying from our spirits and not our heads (1Co 14:14). Speaking in this heavenly language bypasses the brain and its limitations, which can sometimes be a real hindrance to communication with the Lord. The spirit is the part of us that has the mind of Christ, and praying from the spirit is much more powerful than praying from our limited wisdom.
Also, as we pray in tongues, we are praising God with perfect praise (1Co 14:17). We have often been frustrated in our finite attempts to adequately praise an infinite God. That's the feeling behind songs like "O for a Thousand Tongues to Sing." The Lord has given us the ability to praise Him beyond the limitations of our minds through giving us this heavenly language that knows no limits.Speaking in the tongues of angels promotes spiritual growth (1Co 14:4). It builds us up on our most holy faith (Jude 20). It allows us to draw on the infinite wisdom of God that has been deposited on the inside of us .

Bible Commentary

Hi and amen Ladylynn, interesting what you said about the tongues of angels. I was thinking just then, heavenly beings in the presence of God why would they have a need for the ENGLISH language! LOL!

I think it is wonderful that you received the gift of tongues at that stage in your walk, it is very encouraging. It certainly changes our view of things, and brings the truth and the consistency of the whole word of God into sharp focus, for the times we are living in.

I love it that God is always ready to show us something new about Himself. I love it also that He wants to hear about us. I treasure the relationship that I have with the Lord: my life would be very sad and lonely without Him.

Press on sister, you are doing such a great job!

Love, Convallaria

Maynard · Aug 7, 2015

Habada saba yoda hummina blaba blaba yada yaba yada!

Can you dig it?

Utah · Aug 7, 2015

Maynard said:

Blasphemous humor?

WoundedWarrior · Aug 7, 2015

Maynard said:

C'mon Maynard -- Read a few posts before you post some gibberish..

just-me · Aug 7, 2015

Maynard said:

Do we have someone close who has the gift of interpretation? Please.............. someone help!!! NOW!!!

But if there be no interpreter, let him keep silence in the church; and let him speak to himself, and to God. 1 Corinthians 14:28

I take this to mean "pray what you mean" rather than pray when you don't have any idea what it means or what your own verbiage is saying.

What is it then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will pray with the understanding also: I will sing with the spirit, and I will sing with the understanding also. 1 Corinthians 14:15

ladylynn · Aug 7, 2015

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He that speaketh in an [unknown] tongue edifieth himself; but he that prophesieth edifieth the church.Note 7 at 1Co 14:4: This is the second of four benefits of speaking in tongues that Paul mentioned in this chapter ).
When we pray in tongues, we edify ) ourselves. The word "edify" means "the act of building...the promotion of spiritual growth" (Vine's Expository Dictionary). Speaking in tongues builds us up (Jude 20) and promotes spiritual growth.
The Lord promised us that He would comfort us in all our tribulation (2Co 1:4), and that is specifically what the gift of speaking in tongues does for us. Later in this chapter, in 1Co 14:21, Paul quoted from Isa 28:11-12 and specifically applied those verses to speaking in tongues. Therefore, in Isa 28:11-12, the Lord said that speaking in tongues was refreshing and the "rest" wherewith you may cause the weary to rest.
Speaking in tongues is a powerful force for promoting spiritual growth and giving us refreshing and rest in trying situations.
Note 8 at 1Co 14:4: In context, Paul was contrasting the gift of speaking in tongues and the gift of prophecy that operate in the church assembly. In the church, prophecy is better than speaking in tongues (unless there is an interpretation - see ), because it benefits the whole group, not just one individual. That is certainly true and understandable, but Paul was not discrediting at all the personal benefit of speaking in tongues. On the contrary, he said that those who speak in tongues edify themselves .
The ability to edify ourselves is priceless. Too many Christians are dependent on others to get built up spiritually. If there were no other benefit to be derived from speaking in tongues , this would be reason enough to pursue this gift.
Note 9 at 1Co 14:4: This simple gift of prophecy edifies (see note 7 at this verse) the church. Those who believe that these spiritual gifts are not for us today are depriving themselves and others of edification.

Magenta · Aug 7, 2015

Maynard said:

[video=youtube;oZk9CmJIDLQ]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZk9CmJIDLQ[/video]

Galatians2-20 · Aug 7, 2015

If tongues are necessary for salvation then how do you explain John, chapter 20, when a resurrected Jesus breathed on the disciples and said "Recieve ye the Holy Spirit"? It's obvious to me, and most bible scholars would agree, that this event was the moment of salvation for the disciples, when their faith became solidified and unshakable.

Also, if tongues are necessary for salvation, how would you explain the following passage of scripture:

The answer to Paul's question is an obvious "NO".

Now please understand, I am not debating whether or not the Spiritual gifts are for for today. I'm not debating whether or not one should seek to speak in tongues. However, to suggest that one can't be saved without speaking in tongues is unscriptural in my opinion.

Utah · Aug 7, 2015

Galatians2-20 said:

Is about the dumbest thing anyone could ever say.

3Scoreand10 · Aug 7, 2015

Utah said:

Amen brother.
I have been saved and filled with the Holy Spirit for 53 years and the only tongue I have ever spoken in is American English with a country accent.

Gr8grace · Aug 7, 2015

3Scoreand10 said:

Its such a jumbled up mess in here its nuts!

pretty much everybody on these forums has been consigned to the pit by someone!

I was starting to get nervous not hearing from you.

3Scoreand10 · Aug 7, 2015

Gr8grace said:

Only God and the individual knows who is saved, but I am afraid that many on CC have a false assurance that is based on an ignorance of the WORD.
I have not been on CC as much latey because I have been busy getting ready for winten. Fire wood and such.
At my age, my work day has been shortered to 4 hours before the heat sets in and then it is nap time.

I have also been studying about end time events again as I watch the news.

LT · Aug 7, 2015

As the record of the Epistles makes clear, not all Believers are given to the gift of tongues.
All Believers are saved.
Therefore, salvation is not contingent upon being given the gift of tongues.

Argument finished.

There is much more supporting evidence for this conclusion, but this three line proof is more than enough to eliminate the Assemblies of God position, and the like, regarding the purpose and necessity of speaking in tongues.

Once a person reads Ephesians, and finds that the Spirit seals us UPON BELIEF,
not upon speaking in tongues,
how can the debate possibly continue?

Utah · Aug 7, 2015

LT said:

As the record of the Epistles makes clear, not all Believers are given to the gift of tongues.
All Believers are saved.
Therefore, salvation is not contingent upon being given the gift of tongues.

Argument finished.

There is much more supporting evidence for this conclusion, but this three line proof is more than enough to eliminate the Assemblies of God position, and the like, regarding the purpose and necessity of speaking in tongues.

Once a person reads Ephesians, and finds that the Spirit seals us UPON BELIEF,
not upon speaking in tongues,
how can the debate possibly continue?

Amen! Amen! Amen!

LT · Aug 8, 2015

3Scoreand10 said:

Dangerous work.
Wear a hard hat.
Conclusions can fall at any time.

(A tin foil hat can also work)... I jest

Maynard · Aug 8, 2015

Now, brethren, if I come to you speaking in tongues, how shall I benefit you unless I bring you some revelation or knowledge or prophecy or teaching? If even lifeless instruments, such as the flute or the harp, do not give distinct notes, how will any one know what is played? And if the bugle gives an indistinct sound, who will get ready for battle? So with yourselves; if you in a tongue utter speech that is not intelligible, how will any one know what is said? For you will be speaking into the air.
[N]evertheless, in church I would rather speak five words with my mind, in order to instruct others, than ten thousand words in a tongue.
Brethren, do not be children in your thinking; be babes in evil, but in thinking be mature.
If any speak in a tongue, let there be only two or at most three, and each in turn; and let one interpret. But if there is no one to interpret, let each of them keep silence..
- 1 Cor 14

Amen

'nuff said.

.

convallaria · Aug 8, 2015

ladylynn said:

Awesome comment. So many Christians misinterpret that verse that says tongues edify ourselves, as though we are doing something wrong. I wonder if that is a glimpse into their spiritual position? I mean, maybe if people think that God gave the Bible to us solely to bash everyone for doing something wrong, maybe they have missed the point of the Gospel altogether?

We are so blessed to live in these times, that the Word of God may dwell in our hearts as born again children. Romans 8:1 "There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit."

Thank You Lord Jesus!

convallaria · Aug 8, 2015

Galatians2-20 said:

Wasn't it the original poster who said that tongues are necessary for salvation? He was banned and I don't think anyone has said it since.

However it needs to be said that we do need evidence that we have the Holy Spirit, because as the Word says, he who has not the Spirit of Christ is NONE OF HIS.

Receiving the Holy Spirit is not about positive thinking, or about some vague force for good which compels us to go to church and hang out with Christians. Receiving the Holy Spirit changes everything in a human's life, and marks the time when we became a new creation, being born again of the Spirit of God, and no longer just of the flesh.

I would like to see some testimonies of how people know they have received the Holy Spirit, besides those of us who have received the gift of tongues. That would be very edifying to the body of Christ. What is YOUR evidence that you have the Holy Spirit?

1 Cor 12 Paul gives us some help and guidelines....

1 Now concerning spiritual gifts, brethren, I would not have you ignorant……(and a bit later...)

…….7 But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal.
8 For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit;
9 To another faith by the same Spirit; to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit;
10 To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues:
11 But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as he will.

Remember, this is not a boasting exercise: you can't boast about something (someOne) you are given when it (He) wasn't yours in the first place.

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