Question About Tongues

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1Co_14:27 If any man speak in an unknown tongue, let it be by two, or at the most by three, and that by course; and let one interpret
Does this mean that if a man speaks in an unknown tongue then he has to speak with at least one other man and at the most two other men?

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Does it mean that if a man speaks in an unknown tongue then the unknown tongue is limited to one of three unknown tongues?
 
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Does this mean that if a man speaks in an unknown tongue then he has to speak with at least one other man and at the most two other men?

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Does it mean that if a man speaks in an unknown tongue then the unknown tongue is limited to one of three unknown tongues?
It means if anbody speaks a different tongue in the assembly, an intepreter must be present.
 

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Yes a tongue spoken publically I an assembly must have an interpretation. One way I saw a church handle this was, if you felt you were being led to speak, you would inform leadership who would then wait for someone who felt led to interpret make themselves know to leadership.
 
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It means if anbody speaks a different tongue in the assembly, an intepreter must be present.
Yes I realize there needs to be an interpreter, but that doesn't answer my question. What does two or three refer to?
 

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It looks to mean that only two or three should be allowed to
speak in tongues, each in their turn, with an interpreter present.
Otherwise it is many speaking at once causing chaotic cacophony.
 
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Yes I realize there needs to be an interpreter, but that doesn't answer my question. What does two or three refer to?
Sentences.
 

RickyZ

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Grace I'd ask you for scripture to back that "sentences" answer up. But since you wrongly believe that all tongues are of the devil I won't.
 
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It looks to mean that only two or three should be allowed to
speak in tongues, each in their turn, with an interpreter present.
Otherwise it is many speaking at once causing chaotic cacophony.
Ok, if we take it to mean two or three people then that means that a single person can not speak in tongues even if there is an interpreter. Would this be correct?

1Co_14:27 If any man speak in an unknown tongue, let it be by two, or at the most by three, and that by course; and let one interpret.
 
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Ok, if we take it to mean two or three people then that means that a single person can not speak in tongues even if there is an interpreter. Would this be correct?

1Co_14:27 If any man speak in an unknown tongue, let it be by two, or at the most by three, and that by course; and let one interpret.
No it just means that you don't need a dozen people in any service lined up to speak in tongues or you will wind up doing nothing but speaking and interpreting all day. Just let two or three speak. It doesn't mean that if there's only one it's forbidden.
 
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I have only been to one church where the gift is used. At the time I did not speak in tongues and found it to be very strange. Not being familiar with something at all like this it can be very odd and takes a measure of faith in God to not fear and run. But like most things I'm finding I have nothing to fear when God's Word is involved. His Word is not silent on the subject so it is clear to me it takes some investigation. (I speak in tongues privately and have no experience with an assembly of believers since it is very new to me.) Like all things in God's Word, if we don't understand we ask the Lord to show us and we seek it out in the Bible and the HolySpirit always answers our prayers in time. Sometimes we find out the answer right away, sometimes it takes time as we go through the process of learning but it all works well, even the process can be more wonderful then the answer God gives to our question we came about in the first place.

How is it then, brethren? when ye come together, every one of you hath a psalm, hath a doctrine, hath a tongue, hath a revelation, hath an interpretation. Let all things be done unto edifying.Note 5 at 1Co 14:26: What seems so different from our twenty-first century church services is the fact that the whole church seemed to have the freedom to exercise their spiritual gifts and minister to one another. This may have come as an offshoot of the early Jewish synagogue services in which there was much more freedom to openly share (Mr 1:21; Lu 4:16-20; Joh 6:59, 18:20; Ac 5:25, 42, and 13:14-15).
Note 6 at 1Co 14:26: The Greek word for "psalm" used here is "PSALMOS," and literally means "plucking" then "playing" (a stringed instrument) (Theological Dictionary of the New Testament, p. 1225). The New International Dictionary of New Testament Theology states, "'Psalmos' denoted originally a variety of instrumental music, then also the vocal accompaniment. Following on from the LXX (the Hebrew Pentateuch translated into Greek) 'psalmos' in the New Testament probably refers to that aspect of early Christian worship which, both in form and content, was closely modelled on the temple hymns of the Old Testament and late Judaistic periods" (Volume 3, p. 668).
It is interesting that the New Testament believers used various ways and means to describe worship of the Lord. Here are a few: praise (Eph 1:12 and Php 1:11); blessing (Ro 9:5; 1Co 14:16; 2Co 1:3, 11:31; and Eph 1:3); psalms, hymns, and spiritual songs (Eph 5:19); thanksgiving (Ro 1:8, 6:17, 7:25, 14:6; 1Co 1:4, 15:57; and 2Co 2:14); boasting and rejoicing in Christ (Ro 15:17; Php 1:26, and 3:3); and giving glory to the Lord, or what we might call a doxology (Ro 4:20, 11:36, 15:6, 9; 1Co 6:20, 10:31; 2Co 9:13; Ga 1:5; Php 1:11, 2:11, and 4:20).
Note 7 at 1Co 14:26: The Greek word used here for "doctrine" is "DIDACHE" and occurs a total of thirty times in the New Testament. In the King James Version, it was translated "hath been taught" one time, "doctrines" one time, and "doctrine" twenty-eight times. This noun comes from the verb "DIDASKO." DIDASKO means "to teach" and was translated as some form of "teach" ("teach," "teaching," "taught," "teachest," etc.) ninety-seven times in the N.T. (Strong's Concordance). Teaching was a primary part of the N.T. church life . Therefore, this is speaking of individuals who gave a teaching.
From this verse, we can see that it was proper to have individuals share a teaching that the Lord had given them. However, in many Spirit-filled churches today where the gifts of the Spirit are encouraged, people sometimes share a teaching disguised as prophecy. This is incorrect. Prophecy is prophecy ), and teaching is teaching. They should not be confused.
Note 8 at 1Co 14:26: The Greek word for "tongue" is "GLOSSA," and it was translated "tongue" and "tongues" a total of fifty times in the New Testament. In general, this Greek word is used in three different ways in the N.T. One, it was used for the physical organ of the tongue (Lu 1:64 and 16:24). Two, it was used to refer to a manner of speech or a language (Ac 2:11). Three, it was used to refer to the spiritual gift of tongues. This gift is primarily used to pray, praise, and thank God (1Co 14:2 and 14-17, ). It also edifies the individual user of the gift . To make this gift useful in a public assembly or church gathering, there must be someone present who can interpret
Note 9 at 1Co 14:26: "APOKALUPSIS" is the Greek noun that was translated as our English word "revelation" in this passage. In the King James Version, it was translated in the following ways: "appearing" one time, "the coming" one time, "lighten" one time, "manifestation" one time, "shall be revealed" two times, "revelations" two times, and "revelation" ten times. It is a word that actually means "disclosure" (Strong's Concordance). The Hebrew Old Testament word that is similar is "GALAH," and it means "to denude...to reveal" (Strong's Concordance).
In this passage here, the word "revelation" is used to describe a fresh, new insight that was provided by the Holy Spirit for the church through the prophets and those gifted within the body (this verse, 1Co 14:29-30; and 2Co 12:1).
Note 10 at 1Co 14:26: This Greek word "OIKODOME," translated "edifying" here, was translated in the King James Version as follows: "edification" four times, "building" three times, "buildings" three times, "may edify" one time, and "edifying" seven times. OIKODOME actually means "(the act of) building, building up...edification, i.e. the act of one who promotes another's growth in Christian wisdom, piety, holiness, happiness" (Thayer's Greek-English Lexicon). Paul said, "Let all things be done unto edifying." We, as believers, are given the sole responsibility in ministry of building others up. This takes place in various ways as we walk in love (1Co 8:1), promote harmony and peace (Ro 14:19), seek the true welfare of others (Ro 15:2), prophesy unto the edifying of the church (1Co 14:3, 5, 12, and 26), speak things that are "good and beneficial to the spiritual progress of others" (Eph 4:29, Amplified Bible), etc. Or, as the Theological Dictionary of the New Testament states, "oikodome...denotes the act of building (Hermas Similitudes 9.5.1). In Paul's writings, spiritual furtherance is primarily in view (1Co 14:12). Everything, including apostolic authority, should serve this (2Co 10:8)" (Volume 1, p. 678).

If any man speak in an [unknown] tongue, [let it be] by two, or at the most [by] three, and [that] by course; and let one interpret.
Note 11 at 1Co 14:27: Although the early New Testament church had great freedom to participate in the church service, according to the gifts that God had distributed, it was to be conducted in an orderly manner (1Co 14:40). The church meeting was not to be dominated by any one particular gift, although special emphasis was to be placed upon prophecy; i.e., those speaking messages on behalf of God. Paul seems to have been stating that although many may be gifted with the gift of tongues for the church, no more than one at a time should speak and only three in all should be conducted at any one church meeting.Note 12 at 1Co 14:27: Interpretation of tongues is an ability that is given by the Holy Spirit to understand the meaning of words that were previously spoken in an unknown tongue. It is not a translation
The New International Dictionary of New Testament Theology states it this way, "In the case of the interpretation of tongues, it would seem that Paul is not thinking of interpretation in the sense of translating one language into another, which would presume that 'tongues' had a coherent scheme of grammar, syntax and vocabulary. Rather, interpretation here seems to be more akin to discerning what the Spirit is saying through the one who is speaking in tongues" (p. 1080).
Notice that Paul said "if there be no interpreter" (1Co 14:28), not "if there be no interpretation." It would be impossible to know if a tongue were going to be interpreted by someone else, but it is possible to know if an individual with the gift of interpretation of tongues is present. People with this gift should be known in the church and should be expected to interpret when a message in tongues comes forth.

But if there be no interpreter, let him keep silence in the church; and let him speak to himself, and to God.Note 13 at 1Co 14:28: If no interpreter is present within the church , then those with the gift of tongues are to keep silent. They are encouraged to speak quietly to themselves and to worship God. Although their gift does not benefit the church without an interpretation, there is much benefit to the private practice of tongues, or as it's stated here, within the church "let him speak to himself, and to God" (see also 1Co 14:4, 14, and 16-17). Softly praying and praising God in tongues in the assembly, as private prayer, is certainly in order.
However, the practice common in many Spirit-filled churches, of everyone praying in tongues loudly at the same time, is not consistent with Paul's instructions here. The people should always be able to understand the person leading the service unless he or she is delivering a message in tongues, which should then be interpreted. An individual should not be distracted from the service through another praying in tongues unless it is interpreted.
 
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No it just means that you don't need a dozen people in any service lined up to speak in tongues or you will wind up doing nothing but speaking and interpreting all day. Just let two or three speak. It doesn't mean that if there's only one it's forbidden.
Unless you add to the scripture, it doesn't say that here:

1Co_14:27 If any man speak in an unknown tongue, let it be by two, or at the most by three, and that by course; and let one interpret.

If a man is going to speak in an unknown tongue,let it be by two....

I personally don't think the verse is talking about how many people can speak at a time, but how many unknown tongues can be spoken. I personally believe the unknown tongues are Hebrew, Aramaic and Greek... and let one (God) interpret.

I'm just looking at other peoples views and why they believe what they believe with this post.
 
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Unless you add to the scripture, it doesn't say that here:

1Co_14:27 If any man speak in an unknown tongue, let it be by two, or at the most by three, and that by course; and let one interpret.

If a man is going to speak in an unknown tongue,let it be by two....

I personally don't think the verse is talking about how many people can speak at a time, but how many unknown tongues can be spoken. I personally believe the unknown tongues are Hebrew, Aramaic and Greek... and let one (God) interpret.

I'm just looking at other peoples views and why they believe what they believe with this post.
Remember that there are divers kinds of tongues. An unknown tongue isn't another earthly language. That's why it's unknown and Paul says he speaks mysteries to God but no man understands him.
 
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TONGUES AND THE WORD OF THE GOD!

The word “tongues” is used some 35 times in the entire bible. Of these thirty five times we find that the Hebrew word for tongues is used exactly 8 times while the Greek New Testament has two words used some 27 times. Below you will find the three words used and the verses they have been used in.
Hebrew

Law-shone
or lesh-o-naw which meant tongue as an instrument of speech or language

Used in Genesis 10:20, Isaiah 66:18, Jeremiah 9:3, 23:31, Psalms 31:20, 55:9, 78:36 and 140:3

Greek
Glossa
which meant the tongue and by implication language
Hetero-glossa
which meant other tongued i.e. foreigner
Glossa
used in Mark 16:16-18, Acts 2:3,4,11, 10:46, 19:6, Romans 3:13, 1[SUP]st[/SUP] Corinthians 12:10, 28, 30, 13:1, 8, 14:5, 6, 18, 23, 39, Revelation 7:9, 10:11, 11:9, 13:7, 16:10, and 17:5
Hetero-Glossa
used only in 1[SUP]st[/SUP] Corinthians 14:21
The best way to understand the application of the word tongues in the New Testament is to understand the word as defined by God. You must also understand how this word is used in context as well as the point in history when the use of “tongues” was relevant. Let us notice the following use of the words that were used to describe “languages”.

Genesis 10:20
states, “These are the sons of Ham, after their families, after their tongues (languages), in their countries, and in their nations.”
Isaiah 66:18
states, “For I know their works and their thoughts: it shall come, that I will gather all nations and tongues (languages); and they shall come, and see my glory”
Jeremiah 9:3
states, “And they bend their tongues (languages) like their bow for lies: but they are not valiant for the truth upon the earth; for they proceed from evil to evil, and they know not me, saith the Lord.”
Jeremiah 23:31
states, “Behold I am against the prophets, saith the Lord, that use their tongues (language, speech, mouth), and say, He saith.
Psalms 31:20
states, “Thou shalt hide them in the secret of thy presence from the pride of man: thou shall keep them secretly in a pavilion from the strife of tongues (languages).”
Psalm 55:9
states, “Destroy, O Lord, and divide their tongues (language or speech): for I have seen violence and strife in the city.
Psalm 78:36
states, “Nevertheless they did flatter him with their mouth, and they lied unto him with their tongues (language, speech, mouth).”
Psalm 140:3
states, “They have sharpened their tongues (speech, tongues) like a serpent; adders’ poison is under their lips. Selah.
It is obvious from the above Old Testament witnesses that the word translated “tongues” meant language, speech, the use of the mouth to speak etc. As a matter of fact as we will find out the New Testament use of the Word “tongues” is going to mean the exact same thing. Note the following examples and I will say that we will study the context and time frame of this in our next lesson.

Mark 16:17-18
states, “And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues (languages); they shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; and they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.

Acts 2:3-4
states, “And there appeared unto them cloven tongues (tongues) like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them. And they were filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues (languages), as the Spirit gave them utterance.”
Acts 2:11
states, “Cretes and Arabians, we do hear them speak in our tongues (languages) the wonderful works of God.”
Acts 10:46
states, “For they heard them speak with tongues (languages), and magnify God…..”
Acts 19:6
states, “And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came upon them; and they spake with tongues (languages), and prophesied.”
Romans 3:13
states, “Their throat is an open sepulcher; with their tongue (mouth, tongue used to speak) they have used deceit; the poison of asps is under their lips….”
1[SUP]st[/SUP] Corinthians 12:10
states, “To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers (many) kinds of tongues (languages); to another the interpretation of tongues (languages)….”
1[SUP]st[/SUP] Corinthians 12:28
states, “And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues (languages).”
1[SUP]st[/SUP] Corinthians 12:30
states, “Have all the gifts of healing? Do all speak with tongues (languages)? Do all interpret?”
1[SUP]st[/SUP] Corinthians 13:1
states, Though I speak with the tongues (languages) of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal.
1[SUP]st[/SUP] Corinthians 13:8
states, “Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues (languages), they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away.
1[SUP]st[/SUP] Corinthians 14:4-6
states, “He that speaketh in an unknown tongue (language) edifieth himself; but he that prophesieth edifieth the church. I would that ye all spake with tongues, but rather that ye prophesied: for greater is he that prophesieth than he that speaks with tongues (languages), except he interpret, that the church may receive edifying. Now, brethren, if I come unto to speaking with tongues, what shall it profit you, except I speak to you either by revelation, or by knowledge, or by prophesying, or by doctrine?”
1[SUP]st[/SUP] Corinthians 14:18-19
states, “I thank my God, I speak with tongues more than ye all: Yet in the church I had rather speak five words with my understanding, that by my voice I might teach others also, than ten thousand words in an unknown tongue.”
1[SUP]st[/SUP] Corinthians 14:21-23
states, “In the law it is written, With men of other tongues (languages) and other lips will I speak unto this people; and yet for all that will they not hear me saith the Lord. Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them that believe. If therefore the whole church be come together into one place, and all speak with tongues (languages), and there come in those that are unlearned, or unbelievers, will they not say that ye are mad (nuts).”
1[SUP]st[/SUP] Corinthians 14:39
states, “Wherefore, brethren, covet to prophesy, and forbid not to speak with tongues (languages).”
Let us notice some things to about the Corinthian Church and their state of mind if you will. I must state that the above must be studied and considered in light of the following facts.
The Corinthian Church was filled with immaturity.
The Corinthian Church had some dozen plus open sins and corrupt practices.
During the time frame of this letter the Word of God was some 30 years from being completed.
Tongues (languages) was a sign for unbelievers and was used to substantiate the message and the messenger as being valid.
Women are told to keep silence I.E. no speaking in tongues—note most charismatic groups regularly allow women to practice this.
Revelation 7:9
states, “After this I beheld, and lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues (languages), stood before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands
Revelation 10:11
states, And he said unto me, Thou must prophesy again before many peoples, and nations, and tongues (languages), and kings.”
Revelation 11:9
states, “And they of the people and kindreds and tongues (languages) and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and a half, and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in grave.
Revelation 13:7
states, “And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues (languages), and nations.”
Revelation 16:10
states, “And the fifth angel poured out his vial upon the seat of the beast; and his kingdom was full of darkness; and they gnawed their tongues (tongues) for pain.”
Revelation 17:15
states, “And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues (languages).”

As we can clearly see there is no magic about the word “tongues” as it simply means languages, speech or use of tongue to produce speech. The early churches were without the completed word of God as well as “ministers” trained in the “languages” of the nations round about. The early gifts were used to substantiate the message and the messenger until the completed word of God came. As the 1[SUP]st[/SUP] century played out and as the Bible came to completion the miraculous gifts that accompanied the early word slowly faded out and were finally done away with at the completion of the word of God and the end of the apostolic age which was the 1[SUP]st[/SUP] century. It is interesting to note that other church letters state that a work of faith, hope, and love prevailed in the Lord’s churches in the latter third of the 1[SUP]st[/SUP] century and there is no apparent problem with this gift of “tongues” in the churches that were mature (complete) as they had moved on from childish things and had grown up embracing faith, hope and love as the three remaining spiritual gifts.
 
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Does this mean that if a man speaks in an unknown tongue then he has to speak with at least one other man and at the most two other men?

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Does it mean that if a man speaks in an unknown tongue then the unknown tongue is limited to one of three unknown tongues?
When in a group setting - tongues should be spoken by two or at the most by three and "in order" - If any "man' speaks - let "each" one interpret - one speaks gives the interpretation - the next one speaks gives the interpretation and if three - the third one speaks and gives the interpretation. By two or at the most by three - Let all things be done unto edifying (v26b) . . . Let all things be done decently and in order (v40).

When one is alone and speaks in tongues - he is edifying himself in the Spirit - speaking unto God alone. (14:2)
 
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Remember that there are divers kinds of tongues. An unknown tongue isn't another earthly language. That's why it's unknown and Paul says he speaks mysteries to God but no man understands him.
This subject fascinates me, I appreciate the conversation. Where does the bible say that an unknown tongue isn't another earthly language?
 
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The early churches were without the completed word of God as well as “ministers” trained in the “languages” of the nations round about. The early gifts were used to substantiate the message and the messenger until the completed word of God came. As the 1[SUP]st[/SUP] century played out and as the Bible came to completion the miraculous gifts that accompanied the early word slowly faded out and were finally done away with at the completion of the word of God and the end of the apostolic age which was the 1[SUP]st[/SUP] century. It is interesting to note that other church letters state that a work of faith, hope, and love prevailed in the Lord’s churches in the latter third of the 1[SUP]st[/SUP] century and there is no apparent problem with this gift of “tongues” in the churches that were mature (complete) as they had moved on from childish things and had grown up embracing faith, hope and love as the three remaining spiritual gifts.

Are these the scriptures you are basing your statement on?
1 Corinthians 13:8-13King James Version (KJV)[SUP]8 [/SUP]Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]For we know in part, and we prophesy in part.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]And now abideth faith, hope, charity, these three; but the greatest of these is charity.

These scriptures aren't speaking of the Bible as "that which is perfect" coming so that we don't need tongues. What it says is that when we meet Jesus face to face there will be no need for all those other gifts to operate, only faith hope and love will remain.
 
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When in a group setting - tongues should be spoken by two or at the most by three and "in order" - If any "man' speaks - let "each" one interpret - one speaks gives the interpretation - the next one speaks gives the interpretation and if three - the third one speaks and gives the interpretation. By two or at the most by three - Let all things be done unto edifying (v26b) . . . Let all things be done decently and in order (v40).

When one is alone and speaks in tongues - he is edifying himself in the Spirit - speaking unto God alone. (14:2)
I know that's what most people believe, but that's what most people have been taught to believe. I like to read and understand the bible by allowing God to show me the meaning. When I read the verse below, I see that two or three could mean either two or three men or two or three unknown tongues. My question is how do we know which is intended, is there a grammatical rule that would let us know? I believe the subject of the sentence is the unknown tongue which would mean the rest of the sentence is referring to the unknown tongue.

1Co_14:27 If any man speak in an unknown tongue, let it be by two, or at the most by three, and that by course; and let one interpret.
 
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Unless you add to the scripture, it doesn't say that here:

1Co_14:27 If any man speak in an unknown tongue, let it be by two, or at the most by three, and that by course; and let one interpret.

If a man is going to speak in an unknown tongue,let it be by two....

I personally don't think the verse is talking about how many people can speak at a time, but how many unknown tongues can be spoken. I personally believe the unknown tongues are Hebrew, Aramaic and Greek... and let one (God) interpret.

I'm just looking at other peoples views and why they believe what they believe with this post.
It is sentences. The person speaking in tongues can say 2 or three sentences and stop and they have to do it in order and those sentences then must(Emphatically) be interpreted.

If not, then............

KJV 1 Cor. 14:28 But if there be no interpreter, let him keep silence in the church; and let himspeak(mull it over with himself and God,not "speak" to God) to himself, and to God.