Doing the same... expecting different results

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Willie-T

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A friend came and preached at our church this Sunday. It was a sparkling message, as is always the case when he preaches..... which is about ever couple of years.

Anyhoo, he also writes a blog, and this was his entry for this week:

Before riding into Jerusalem, Jesus lamented the fact that its inhabitants did not understand "the things that make for peace". That is to say that, though they were oppressed and treated unjustly by the Roman juggernaut, they ignorantly believed that turning the tables on their unjust oppressors would bring peace. But in 70 CE, it brought them only destruction, and they watched their beloved city, Temple and way of life go up in smoke. Their unwillingness to forgive and lay down their swords brought the swords of the Romans down on their necks. Hence the sorrow Jesus felt upon observing their ignorance.

As I scan through my various social media newsfeeds, I see the same mindset. Everybody and their brother seems convinced that oppression and injustice is answered by oppressing the unjust, but nothing could be further from the truth. We still, 2,000 years later, do not understand the things that make for peace. From animal rights, to racial issues, to political debates, to religious matters, and everything in between, everyone seems to be calling for the heads of their opponents. Has history taught us nothing? Do we not realize that turning our "Cains" into "Abels" does nothing but keep the system of oppression, hatred and violence alive? This doesn't mean we ignore issues. Of course not! Where there's injustice, inequality and oppression of any sort, we need to respond. The question is are we responding in ways that "make for peace", or in ways that keep the system alive by forcing the oppressed and the oppressor to switch places for a season?

There is nothing holy, just or ethical in calling for oppressors to become the oppressed or for victimizers to become victims. No, the Gospel introduces us to an alternative reality in which we battle systems of injustice by giving our lives in subversive service, even to those who do us wrong. Peace has never been achieved through angry rhetoric and Molotov cocktails. Only a commitment to others-centeredness, enemy love and a self-giving lifestyle can do that.

If we think for a moment that Jesus is ever behind violence, vengeance or eye for an eye attempts at resolving our issues, we're sadly mistaken and know not the Gospel.
Peace.
 
A friend came and preached at our church this Sunday. It was a sparkling message, as is always the case when he preaches..... which is about ever couple of years.

Anyhoo, he also writes a blog, and this was his entry for this week:

Before riding into Jerusalem, Jesus lamented the fact that its inhabitants did not understand "the things that make for peace". That is to say that, though they were oppressed and treated unjustly by the Roman juggernaut, they ignorantly believed that turning the tables on their unjust oppressors would bring peace. But in 70 CE, it brought them only destruction, and they watched their beloved city, Temple and way of life go up in smoke. Their unwillingness to forgive and lay down their swords brought the swords of the Romans down on their necks. Hence the sorrow Jesus felt upon observing their ignorance.

As I scan through my various social media newsfeeds, I see the same mindset. Everybody and their brother seems convinced that oppression and injustice is answered by oppressing the unjust, but nothing could be further from the truth. We still, 2,000 years later, do not understand the things that make for peace. From animal rights, to racial issues, to political debates, to religious matters, and everything in between, everyone seems to be calling for the heads of their opponents. Has history taught us nothing? Do we not realize that turning our "Cains" into "Abels" does nothing but keep the system of oppression, hatred and violence alive? This doesn't mean we ignore issues. Of course not! Where there's injustice, inequality and oppression of any sort, we need to respond. The question is are we responding in ways that "make for peace", or in ways that keep the system alive by forcing the oppressed and the oppressor to switch places for a season?

There is nothing holy, just or ethical in calling for oppressors to become the oppressed or for victimizers to become victims. No, the Gospel introduces us to an alternative reality in which we battle systems of injustice by giving our lives in subversive service, even to those who do us wrong. Peace has never been achieved through angry rhetoric and Molotov cocktails. Only a commitment to others-centeredness, enemy love and a self-giving lifestyle can do that.

If we think for a moment that Jesus is ever behind violence, vengeance or eye for an eye attempts at resolving our issues, we're sadly mistaken and know not the Gospel.
Peace.

I know protecting the rights of the oppressed is a big issue with me and I keep being reminded by God to forgive and pray for my enemies. Thank you for posting this. I'm going to ponder your message with God and let it sink it more.
 
A friend came and preached at our church this Sunday. It was a sparkling message, as is always the case when he preaches..... which is about ever couple of years.

Anyhoo, he also writes a blog, and this was his entry for this week:

Before riding into Jerusalem, Jesus lamented the fact that its inhabitants did not understand "the things that make for peace". That is to say that, though they were oppressed and treated unjustly by the Roman juggernaut, they ignorantly believed that turning the tables on their unjust oppressors would bring peace. But in 70 CE, it brought them only destruction, and they watched their beloved city, Temple and way of life go up in smoke. Their unwillingness to forgive and lay down their swords brought the swords of the Romans down on their necks. Hence the sorrow Jesus felt upon observing their ignorance.

As I scan through my various social media newsfeeds, I see the same mindset. Everybody and their brother seems convinced that oppression and injustice is answered by oppressing the unjust, but nothing could be further from the truth. We still, 2,000 years later, do not understand the things that make for peace. From animal rights, to racial issues, to political debates, to religious matters, and everything in between, everyone seems to be calling for the heads of their opponents. Has history taught us nothing? Do we not realize that turning our "Cains" into "Abels" does nothing but keep the system of oppression, hatred and violence alive? This doesn't mean we ignore issues. Of course not! Where there's injustice, inequality and oppression of any sort, we need to respond. The question is are we responding in ways that "make for peace", or in ways that keep the system alive by forcing the oppressed and the oppressor to switch places for a season?

There is nothing holy, just or ethical in calling for oppressors to become the oppressed or for victimizers to become victims. No, the Gospel introduces us to an alternative reality in which we battle systems of injustice by giving our lives in subversive service, even to those who do us wrong. Peace has never been achieved through angry rhetoric and Molotov cocktails. Only a commitment to others-centeredness, enemy love and a self-giving lifestyle can do that.

If we think for a moment that Jesus is ever behind violence, vengeance or eye for an eye attempts at resolving our issues, we're sadly mistaken and know not the Gospel.
Peace.
I'm the oppressed. I don't want my oppressors to be hurt, to lose their head, nor do I want them to oppress. They're the American government. Nothing will happen because people like status quo. They don't even know they're oppressing me. They think they're helping me.
 
Help me understand your point: do you mean passive submission into servitude like dumb sheep for the slaughter. The Maccabee's finally retreat was Mount Masada where they held out until the Romans built a ramp up a shear face of one side of that mount. Just before they were about enter Herod's retreat the Maccabee's slew their families and the each of the men in turn finally the last man committed suicide. They choose not for their wives and children and themselves to be slaves They resisted until the end and as Patrick Henry said, Give me liberty or give me death.
 
Help me understand your point: do you mean passive submission into servitude like dumb sheep for the slaughter. The Maccabee's finally retreat was Mount Masada where they held out until the Romans built a ramp up a shear face of one side of that mount. Just before they were about enter Herod's retreat the Maccabee's slew their families and the each of the men in turn finally the last man committed suicide. They choose not for their wives and children and themselves to be slaves They resisted until the end and as Patrick Henry said, Give me liberty or give me death.
In your first sentence you used the EXACT wording the Bible used to describe how Jesus, Himself, responded.
Think on that for a few minutes.
 
willie can you either PM me the link also or post it here for all. I would really love to hear it.
If you want. He is like the Energizer Bunny, and he doesn't stop to take a breath for a full hour. (Just the opposite of our regular preacher) You really have to listen carefully to him, and try not to get left behind.