Rich and Famous Pastors

[Yet]

Perverse disputing of men(women) of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing (teaching) that gain is godliness; from such withdraw thyself. 1Tim.6:5

Twisting scripture for fun and profit, with hearts of greed ignorant of His truth, denying (renouncing His doctrine) the One who bought them, displaying themselves as the most godly using their unbelievable riches as proof, Mark them well then run as fast as you can to get away from them.Hold on to your wallet as you make your exit.

Paul said in essence 'I, as a traveling preacher, have a right to food and shelter, if offered to me freely, no asking on my part, yet I even refuse this so the gospel message will not be slandered and hindered by my profiting from it.'

Have you heard any of these charlantans teach that message lately? I wonder why...hmmmm? And you won't either anytime soon.

I sent money their way a couple of times years ago and God paddled me good for it. The whole idea that you can 'buy' God's financial favor by throwing sweat earned, hard fought for money to the 'rich and famous' super star preachers who are basking in opulence is obnoxious and borders on witchcraft. Google it.dont make me spoon feed you!

They even claim that Jesus, who had 'no place to lay His head' , had a palace and a diamond studded, gold plated chariot with 4 white Arabian horses. I kid you not. I google a lot. To hear these wolves teach their rot!

Google. Google. Google. Study. Research. Read the word, check the Greek. Then come back and tell me you still support this satanic drivel!

 

[shotgunner]

Most of the ones you mentioned, I like. I won't say I agree with everything. No man is infallible except Jesus. Do not however criticize them for having wealth. There are plenty of bible examples of men that God made extremely wealthy. You don't know their hearts or their motivations. You only see the outward man.

Most of the time when someone criticizes someone else for what they have, as if it is ungodly, it's because they don't have something just as good. If God gave them that house they would find a way to justify it as a wonderful blessing from God.

 

[KennethC]

Matthew 6:24 - No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.

Luke 18:25 - For it is easier for a camel to go through a needle's eye, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.


1 Timothy 6:17 - Charge them that are rich in this world, that they be not highminded, nor trust in uncertain riches, but in the living God, who giveth us richly all things to enjoy;


1 Timothy 6:10 - For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.


Revelation 3:17 - Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked:


1 Timothy 6:9 - But they that will be rich fall into temptation and a snare, and [into] many foolish and hurtful lusts, which drown men in destruction and perdition.


Luke 6:24 - But woe unto you that are rich! for ye have received your consolation.

Acts 20:35 - I have shewed you all things, how that so labouring ye ought to support the weak, and to remember the words of the Lord Jesus, how he said, It is more blessed to give than to receive.

 

[KennethC]

Yet you want that same money given to you so you can make your films. And if you did a good job, and got to be known, people would then be taking shots at you. LOL

That is not true as I have very little and am contempt with what I have !!!

And if God did bless me with money I would take it and use it to help others out that our in need, not use it only for myself.

 

[shotgunner]

According to the Word of God it shows that God does not respect people, and He does not have respect some in the body being rich while others are struggling to survive and get by.

They are living a sinful lie in their riches they are using to edify themselves while leaving tons of others to suffer.

Not at all!! What is taught by, "God is no respecter of persons", is that God won't deny for one, what he has done for another! God doesn't want any of his children to suffer with poverty, but alas, some choose to think that God does respect some, since some he blesses and some he does not.

 

[shotgunner]

That is not true as I have very little and am contempt with what I have !!!

And if God did bless me with money I would take it and use it to help others out that our in need, not use it only for myself.

And so who fulfills God's will the greater, the man who has little and manages to scrape together $50 a week to feed the poor, or the man who has much and gives $5000 a week to feed the poor?

 

[Jenizona]

That is not true as I have very little and am contempt with what I have !!!

Uh... I think you mean "content." Unless this is a level of humor and irony that I wasn't prepared for lol.

Content: In a state of peaceful happiness.
Contempt: Disregard for something that should be taken into account.

 

[KennethC]

Most of the ones you mentioned, I like. I won't say I agree with everything. No man is infallible except Jesus. Do not however criticize them for having wealth. There are plenty of bible examples of men that God made extremely wealthy. You don't know their hearts or their motivations. You only see the outward man.

Most of the time when someone criticizes someone else for what they have, as if it is ungodly, it's because they don't have something just as good. If God gave them that house they would find a way to justify it as a wonderful blessing from God.

It is not criticizing them for having money alone, it is what they do with that money and what they teach that along with it that is not right.

They act like those who have such things have more faith in the Lord then those who are poor.
That is completely false as Jesus said the poor are more blessed then the rich, and when you have tons of believers starving and homeless while they bask in their money I do not see their heart being in the proper place. I don't see them feeding and housing these people in their big fancy homes with plenty of room.

Building more big fancy churches does not qualify for helping the needy !!!

 

[Yet]

Yet you want that same money given to you so you can make your films. And if you did a good job, and got to be known, people would then be taking shots at you. LOL

Willie, you Judge me without knowledge. You know you are not to do that. The 35k for film was part of my pension. No one gave me a dime. God told me not to charge.
We never made that film for money. I was trying to figure out what percentage does an artist get per dvd so I could forgo that and bring the price down if a distributor picked it up.
See how wrong you are about me. You don't know me at all my friend.
When we are out and about, I have a stack of dvd's available for free to the public.
I stand downtown and give them away to the folks, free of charge lest I hinder the gospel.
I am with Christian Healthcare Ministries. I send our movie out to folks every month for free. I pick up the postage.
Now you have forced me to let my left hand know what my right hand is giving. I hope I am not guilty in this case.

But I had to let you and others know that all that I have ever done in recent years has been out of my pocket. Do not beg a widow to pay my way.
I was wrong years ago when I held revivals though. I accepted offerings for services rendered. I have since repented of this. Though I had a right as an evangelist, I didn't need it. I had a day job. Didn't need to hurt the folks financially. God has forgiven me. Praise Him.
I also had it in mind if some one did bless us for the film willingly, without charging, we'd use the money to help the needy in the 'church'.

So Willie, I hope you know me better now. Take care my friend. God bless.

 

[KennethC]

Not at all!! What is taught by, "God is no respecter of persons", is that God won't deny for one, what he has done for another! God doesn't want any of his children to suffer with poverty, but alas, some choose to think that God does respect some, since some he blesses and some he does not.

That is that false teaching of the WOF movement as there are tons of people in world that no matter what they do they can not escape poverty, as their country is in poverty. Also we have people here in the U.S. that are homeless that can not be blamed just on drugs and alcohol as so many try to say.

Some had good jobs until their company shut down and they were left without a dime, and others have disabilities that prevent them from working, and other such cases and I can tell you these people have just as much faith and trust if not more in Christ then you or me combined.

And so who fulfills God's will the greater, the man who has little and manages to scrape together $50 a week to feed the poor, or the man who has much and gives $5000 a week to feed the poor?

You have to determine why they are giving that money though, because the Pharisees gave their 10% but the Lord Jesus was not happy with it as they gave out of obligation not out of love. Are many of these who are rich giving out of obligation, tax breaks, or to make a show of it.

If one of these is the case then their giving is wrong !!!

Uh... I think you mean "content." Unless this is a level of humor and irony that I wasn't prepared for lol.

Content: In a state of peaceful happiness.
Contempt: Disregard for something that should be taken into account.

Yeah for some reason when I type and then post some of my words get changed, this has been happening for a few months now and I have sent the mods about this issue. I type one word and it posts as another, as for example I have seen a couple times when I post "are" it says "our" after post.

 

[shotgunner]

It is not criticizing them for having money alone, it is what they do with that money and what they teach that along with it that is not right.

They act like those who have such things have more faith in the Lord then those who are poor.
That is completely false as Jesus said the poor are more blessed then the rich, and when you have tons of believers starving and homeless while they bask in their money I do not see their heart being in the proper place. I don't see them feeding and housing these people in their big fancy homes with plenty of room.

Building more big fancy churches does not qualify for helping the needy !!!

The point is that you don't know all they do with their money! I know some of these men. They don't even take a salary from one single church they have built. Some of them give away 50% or more of their income and still have an abundance!

God is a God of more than enough.
Did Jesus just provide enough fish for Peter to barely get by?
When feeding the multitudes, was there just enough for all to have one bite, or were they all filled with 12 baskets left over?
Does Heaven have wooden gates, because that would be good enough?
Have you ever looked at how lavish the old temple was?

Anyone who doesn't get over their attitude that rich automatically means sinful is going to have a real hard time when they get to Heaven and see just how extravagant God really is.

 

[Jenizona]

Yeah for some reason when I type and then post some of my words get changed, this has been happening for a few months now and I have sent the mods about this issue. I type one word and it posts as another, as for example I have seen a couple times when I post "are" it says "our" after post.

Okay, that is scary. I will have to keep a look-out for that, thanks for the heads up!

 

[Willie-T]

Willie, you Judge me without knowledge. You know you are not to do that. The 35k for film was part of my pension. No one gave me a dime. God told me not to charge.
We never made that film for money. I was trying to figure out what percentage does an artist get per dvd so I could forgo that and bring the price down if a distributor picked it up.
See how wrong you are about me. You don't know me at all my friend.
When we are out and about, I have a stack of dvd's available for free to the public.
I stand downtown and give them away to the folks, free of charge lest I hinder the gospel.
I am with Christian Healthcare Ministries. I send our movie out to folks every month for free. I pick up the postage.
Now you have forced me to let my left hand know what my right hand is giving. I hope I am not guilty in this case.

But I had to let you and others know that all that I have ever done in recent years has been out of my pocket. Do not beg a widow to pay my way.
I was wrong years ago when I held revivals though. I accepted offerings for services rendered. I have since repented of this. Though I had a right as an evangelist, I didn't need it. I had a day job. Didn't need to hurt the folks financially. God has forgiven me. Praise Him.
I also had it in mind if some one did bless us for the film willingly, without charging, we'd use the money to help the needy in the 'church'.

So Willie, I hope you know me better now. Take care my friend. God bless.

Thank you for this. I apologize for painting you with a broad brush. It seems all film makers are not the same. I will keep it in mind, and I will endeavor not to accuse you of things you are innocent of, just because I think others are.

 

[shotgunner]

Yeah for some reason when I type and then post some of my words get changed, this has been happening for a few months now and I have sent the mods about this issue. I type one word and it posts as another, as for example I have seen a couple times when I post "are" it says "our" after post.

Do you have some sort of automatic spell correct that is possibly malfunctioning?

 

[ember]

Yeah for some reason when I type and then post some of my words get changed, this has been happening for a few months now and I have sent the mods about this issue. I type one word and it posts as another, as for example I have seen a couple times when I post "are" it says "our" after post.

that is exactly the type of thing spell check does...I don't think there is a ghost in the machine here

look at your settings...on your computer...spell check activated?

 

[Willie-T]

Okay, that is scary. I will have to keep a look-out for that, thanks for the heads up!

I think it's pretty cool. I'm probably going to start blaming the computer for my stuff, too. LOL

 

[ember]

haha...well now he has heard it from the 'experts'...must have posted at the same time

 

[ember]

I think it's pretty cool. I'm probably going to start blaming the computer for my stuff, too. LOL

one of my aunts used to say 'the computer is only as smart as the person operating it'

nowdays though, that is not necessairly so!

 

[KennethC]

The point is that you don't know all they do with their money! I know some of these men. They don't even take a salary from one single church they have built. Some of them give away 50% or more of their income and still have an abundance!

God is a God of more than enough.
Did Jesus just provide enough fish for Peter to barely get by?
When feeding the multitudes, was there just enough for all to have one bite, or were they all filled with 12 baskets left over?
Does Heaven have wooden gates, because that would be good enough?
Have you ever looked at how lavish the old temple was?

Anyone who doesn't get over their attitude that rich automatically means sinful is going to have a real hard time when they get to Heaven and see just how extravagant God really is.

Where do you get your numbers that they give 50% or more of their money away ???

If that was the case with all the intake these preachers get then there should be no homeless people in the U.S., I don't see to many homeless shelters popping up to help these people. There is no need to have $100,000 dollar or more homes, have private planes, and have expensive vehicles as well.

They could be just as satisfied with a $50,000 dollar home, $5,000-$10,000 dollar vehicle, and the private planes are just not needed at all.

The bible in the NT does not put a limit on how much to give, as in it does not give a person an excuse to say well I gave this much so I am fine. That makes it obligation and not out of love and a true caring for others.

 

[Viligant_Warrior]

But are they even preaching the Gospel of Christ?

Nope, not anybody in the OP's list, in my opinion