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[Jonnah]

If it's ancient and the explainer wasn't there, I ain't impressed. I got the same information he has. So I'll review the ancients and still not agree with your authority.


Jonah, Jonnah, explain your own position. Okay. Seriously. Learn it so well that you don't rely on link a dinks.

Well the difference is brother I'm not trying to be argumentative or dismiss another person's expertise on a subject. I can appreciate that we all have something to learn from each other. If you want to dismiss any form of information presented to you by declaring that you already know better, then that is your perrogative. And while I have taken classes in Semitic languages, I can be humble enough to realize that there are those far beyond my level of expertise, hence I point you to them. Humility brother, it does wonders.

 

[JesusistheChrist]

But you ain't been able to ban some members in Jesus name, have you? If so, I've got one for you. AT What Cost is it for me to have you do that?

Huh? What does that even mean and why would I want to ban anybody? I can function quite well around everybody, whether we're likeminded or not.

 

[Is]

Olerica,
You might enjoy doing some study on the Jewish concepts of the yetzer ha-ra and yetzer hatov. (It's the propensity to do right and wrong in human beings) If you remember Buggs Bunny, you can visualize the two tiny arguing angels on either of Buggs' shoulders, trying to influence him to do either good, or bad.

"The three levels of study in Judaism, The Bible is the lowest form. The next best is the Mishnah. The highest is the Talmud (Gemara)". (Steinsaltz Talmud)


While Judaism pays elaborate lip-service to the Bible (Tanakh), the Bible is not a factor in the rise, formation, progress and emendation of rabbinic law, except as a pretigious cover and front for what are, in fact, entirely man-made enactments, figments of the rabbinic imagination and extensive revivals of pagan anachronism (Deut.4:2, 13:1; Matt.15:2-3; Colossians 2:8).

Adam Clarke's 1825 Commentary on Colossians 2:8:

"There are three systems of philosophy among the Jews, (Bell. Jud., lib. ii. cap 8, sec 2) meaning the Pharisees, Sadducees, and Essenes, as immediately follows. The Jewish philosophy, such as is found in the Cabala, Midrashim, and other works, deserves the character of vain deceit, in the fullest sense and meaning of the words. The inspired writers excepted, the Jews have ever been the most puerile, absurd, and ridiculous reasoners in the world. Even Rabbi Maymon, or Maimonides, the most intelligent of them all, is often in his masterpiece (The Guide of the Perplexed), most deplorably empty and vain....What the apostle calls the tradition of men, namely, what men, unauthorized by God, have taught as doctrines received from him. Our Lord frequently refers to and condemns these traditions."

While this is hotly denied among rabbis and the legions of gentile apologists for Judaism in the universities and the modern churches, it is a truism inside Judaism, as reflected in the following rabbinic passage, which lays out the superior status of the rabbinic oral law over the written law of the Bible, and goes even furrther, acknowledging what is to be expected from religion of self-worship, that the rabbis are superior to God!

With regard to the halacha of the Talmud, we discover that "the Almighty Himself is bound by them." The rabbis of course portray God as conceding His inferior status:

The realization of the difference between written and oral regulations finds expression in the appraisal that 'The Sages safeguard their own enactments more than those of the Torah' and in the hyperbolical statements concerning the supreme authority of the expositions and decisions of the Rabbis. The Almighty Himself is bound by them. God sits and occupies Himself with the section of the Red Heifer, and he cites a Halakha in the name of R. Eliezer, despite the astonishment of Moses, who cries: 'Sovereign of the Universe, Thou dost hold in Thy power the creatures of heaven and earth, yet Thou dost sit and cite a Halakha in the name of a human being!' (Pesiqta de-R. Kahana, Para, ed. Mandelbaum, p. 73).

The Rabbis "safeguarded their own enactments more than those of the Torah." God is "bound" by the "expositions and decisions of the Rabbis." God quotes Rabbi Eliezer.

The Church Fathers knew of no "Judeo Christian" tradition, since Judaism did not exist before Christ. Before Him, there was the faith of the Israelites as it gradually decayed and was subverted by corrupt teachings such as were transmitted by the Pharisees and Sadducees.

Benjamin Disraeli, Earl of Beaconsfield, (21 December 1804 – 19 April 1881) was a British Conservative politician and writer, who twice served as Prime Minister.

Benjamin's father Isaac D'Israeli in 1833 published "The Genius of Judaism" in which "He is quite explicit about his dislikes, about the 'infinite multiplicity of customs, of gross superstitions, as ridiculous as once were those of witchcraft, the mere inventions of their Talmudical doctors (that) are incorporated in their faith, in their cermonies and their daily customs.' He questions the 'dubious authority' of the oral law, denounces the parochialism and 'barbarous disdain pf all foreign learning...long the haughty distinction of the Synagogue,' and praises the Karaites, those 'Jewish Protestants' and their revolt against tyranny of the rabbis... Judaism has been totally corrupted by the 'dictators of the human intellect, the Rabbins..." (Isaac D'Israeli, Curiosities of Literature (London: Routledge, 1893), pp.43, 45-48., First published in 1791)

"...the system of the Rabbis...who, in regard to doctrine, seem to be of the sect of Pahrisees..believe that God delivered to Moses, while he abode on the munt, not only the whole written law, as we find in the Pentatuch, but likewise an explanation or interpretation of it, which they call the Oral law, which was not written, but verbally communicated by Moses to Aaron, Eleazer, and his servant Joshua, By these it was transmitted, by tradition, to the sevnty elders; by them to Ezra and the prophets, who communicated it the men of the great synagogue, form whom wise men of Jerusalem and Babylon received it. In this manner, we are told, were these interpretations of the law handed down, by oral tradition, till the end of the second, or beginning of the thrid century, when in consequence of the dispersion an depressed state of their nation, it was thought necessary to commit to writing, and the work was nudetaken by Rabbi judah Hakkodesh, i.e. the Holy, then rector at the school and presient of the Sanhedrin at Tiberias, who compiled and arranged them...and the book which it was thus collected...is what they call the ishnah, which is a Hebrew word sugnifying repetition...The jews tell us that it was not until about A.D. 215 when he was far advanced in years...(that) Rabbi Jehuda or Judah completed the Mishna...Dr. Prideaux supposes it to have been about the year 150, and Docors Lightfoot and Landner suppose it was finished about 190...The...Mishna, with its commentaries, Maimonides and Bartenora, was published, with Latin translation and notes, at Amsterdam, by Surenhusius, in six volumes folio (in) 1698..."

(Robert Adam, The Religious World Displayed - A View of the Four Grand Systems of Religion: Judism, Paganism, Christianity and Mohammedism (Edinburgh, 1890), v.1, pp. 31-32)).

 

[Galahad]

I think if any of us thinks we can explain something better than someone who has devoted half their life to the study of the subject in question, then we are probably seriously deluded about a lot of other things, too.

Jesus is the Christ, the Son of the living God. Not deluded there.
God is love. Not deluded there.
Jesus is the spotless Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world. Not deluded there.
Paul was an apostle of Jesus Christ. Not deluded there.

I just haven't been able to understand Einstein's law of relativity! His explanation don't help.

Had a math teacher who could take math problems and explain them so clearly. He was younger than the math professor who muddied the concepts.

 

[Galahad]

Huh? What does that even mean and why would I want to ban anybody? I can function quite well around everybody, whether we're likeminded or not.

I forgot to insert

Now don't get angry. It was a joke.

And why did you cast out the demons? Was it because you weren't likeminded, or because you couldn't function quite well around them?

 

[JesusistheChrist]

No. I disagree Jonnah.

I like food. Abstract.

Pizza is cheesy and when topped with Pepperoni the flavor of the sauce is drawn out. Tastes good. I like it. Concrete.

Depends on what words you use.

Abram = father, exalted father
Abraham = father of many

Hebrew and English.

I'm still trying to figure out why Galahad likes to eat concrete?



(I'm only joking because somebody questioned my reading comprehension skills)

lol.

 

[Is]

Well, when you don't really read the post you are responding to, and are trying to turn into an argument, "Yeah", it's probably best not to reply so quickly.

I'm trying to give you some needed information on Jewish literature.

Benjamin D'Israeli said:

To be concious that your ignorant is a great step towards knowledge.

 

[JesusistheChrist]

I forgot to insert

Now don't get angry. It was a joke.

And why did you cast out the demons? Was it because you weren't likeminded, or because you couldn't function quite well around them?

I'm not angry...I just didn't understand what you were saying.

To answer your question, because Jesus said to in order to set people free.



See? I'm smiling. lol.

 

[Galahad]

Well the difference is brother I'm not trying to be argumentative or dismiss another person's expertise on a subject. I can appreciate that we all have something to learn from each other. If you want to dismiss any form of information presented to you by declaring that you already know better, then that is your perrogative. And while I have taken classes in Semitic languages, I can be humble enough to realize that there are those far beyond my level of expertise, hence I point you to them. Humility brother, it does wonders.

You want me to read "experts." Read again your first few posts. You make statements, I showed you where they were wrong, but then you throw out a link.

As far as humility, I could hurl the same accusation at you. But I won't. It's a matter of writing and hearing.
If my tone is too strong, I'll lighten it up. Don't know how, but I will try. Seriously.

Blessings to you.

 

[JesusistheChrist]

I'm trying to give you some needed information on Jewish literature.

Benjamin D'Israeli said:

To be concious that your ignorant is a great step towards knowledge.

I'm not even sure that everybody here is conscious, so let's take this one step at a time.

lol.

 

[Jonnah]

You want me to read experts. Read again your first few statements. You make statements, I showed you where they were wrong, but then you throw out a link.

As far as humility, I could hurl the same accusation at you. But I won't. It's a matter of writing and hearing.
If my tone is too strong, I'll lighten it up. Don't know how, but I will try. Seriously.

Blessings to you.

I'm not offended by you in the least brother. But your examples to me earlier were flawed. You then proceed to say that you don't care what an expert has to say in the matter, elevating your level of understanding to his level, which I don't see. I simply pointed you to an expert in the field to help in the subject being discussed. And don't worry about what tone you use, see the only one we have to answer to for idle words or the intentions of our heart is God and God alone. I have no right to feel offended. So there is no offense being taken here brother

 

[Galahad]

I'm not angry...I just didn't understand what you were saying.

To answer your question, because Jesus said to in order to set people free.



See? I'm smiling. lol.

I can feel your anger!

Jesus also called the Pharisees hypocrites. It was obvious they were. He spent 3 years in teaching and performing miracles. They refused to see and hear and believe. Hypocrites they were.

What is the verse where Jesus said to cast out demons. I mean which verse are you referring to?

 

[Willie-T]

I'm not even sure that everybody here is conscious, so let's take this one step at a time.

lol.

Well, I'm conscious that you know how to spell "conscious"...... and I imagine you also know that "your" is not a contraction for, you are. LOL (Some other people here have problems with little things like that.)

 

[Galahad]

I'm still trying to figure out why Galahad likes to eat concrete?



(I'm only joking because somebody questioned my reading comprehension skills)

lol.

I don't like to eat concrete. I don't even like jawbreakers, and peanut brittle gets stuck between my teeth. I hate well done steak. Abstract ain't so good, either.

They questioned your reading comprehension skills! I find that to be concrete, hard to be unbelievable.

 

[dcontroversal]

YOU KNOW.....Jesus fully accepted the use of Lord by the thief on the cross.....

 

[JesusistheChrist]

I can feel your anger!

Jesus also called the Pharisees hypocrites. It was obvious they were. He spent 3 years in teaching and performing miracles. They refused to see and hear and believe. Hypocrites they were.

What is the verse where Jesus said to cast out demons. I mean which verse are you referring to?

I'm posting from my phone, but there's the disputed (by some) passage in Mark 16 and the passage at the end of Matthew 28 where Jesus instructed His disciples to teach others to obey all things that He taught them and He certainly taught them how to deal with demons. Those are just 2, but let's try to get back on topic. What is the topic anyway? Oh yeah...cultural bigotry.

 

[hind_let_loose]

Here are a couple things I don't like about using non-English ways of referring to God/Jesus:

1. It comes across as super-arrogant. You know the guy that always has to use Latin expressions when there are perfectly good English ones? He's annoying, right? He comes across like a pompous jerk. Sure, he may not really be a pompous jerk. But you'll have a hard time convincing most people that he isn't one. If this is right, and it is morally acceptable to use the usual English words to refer to Jesus, for instance, then using the Hebrew would be an unnecessary turn-off. That's reason enough not to use it.

2. I can sort of understand why someone would want to use Yahweh, or YHWH, since the Old Testament was written in Hebrew. I certainly don't think it is required. But the New Testament, however, was written in Greek, and the English "Jesus" is just a transliteration of the Greek word "Iesous." So, disparaging a transliteration of the word used in the inspired Word of God to replace it with a word that was not used in the inspired word of God is absurd. What? Paul didn't know the word Y'shua (or whatever)? If he did, then why didn't he use it in the New Testament? The pro-Hebrew-names crowd can't say, "Well, he was writing to a Greek-reading audience." After all, they think they should use Hebrew names when speaking to an English-speaking audience, no? So Paul should have, too. But he didn't. And he was inspired by the Holy Spirit -- which is more than we can say for anyone using Hebrew names today.

 

[Willie-T]

Here are a couple things I don't like about using non-English ways of referring to God/Jesus:

1. It comes across as super-arrogant. You know the guy that always has to use Latin expressions when there are perfectly good English ones? He's annoying, right? He comes across like a pompous jerk. Sure, he may not really be a pompous jerk. But you'll have a hard time convincing most people that he isn't one. If this is right, and it is morally acceptable to use the usual English words to refer to Jesus, for instance, then using the Hebrew would be an unnecessary turn-off. That's reason enough not to use it.

2. I can sort of understand why someone would want to use Yahweh, or YHWH, since the Old Testament was written in Hebrew. I certainly don't think it is required. But the New Testament, however, was written in Greek, and the English "Jesus" is just a transliteration of the Greek word "Iesous." So, disparaging a transliteration of the word used in the inspired Word of God to replace it with a word that was not used in the inspired word of God is absurd. What? Paul didn't know the word Y'shua (or whatever)? If he did, then why didn't he use it in the New Testament? The pro-Hebrew-names crowd can't say, "Well, he was writing to a Greek-reading audience." After all, they think they should use Hebrew names when speaking to an English-speaking audience, no? So Paul should have, too. But he didn't. And he was inspired by the Holy Spirit -- which is more than we can say for anyone using Hebrew names today.

I think you hit the crux of the matter, right there.

 

[JesusistheChrist]

I don't like to eat concrete. I don't even like jawbreakers, and peanut brittle gets stuck between my teeth. I hate well done steak. Abstract ain't so good, either.

They questioned your reading comprehension skills! I find that to be concrete, hard to be unbelievable.

Jawbreakers are rightly named and well done meat can taste like a baseball mitt. How do I know what a baseball mitt tastes like? I'm not telling! lol.

 

[JesusistheChrist]

Well, I'm conscious that you know how to spell "conscious"...... and I imagine you also know that "your" is not a contraction for, you are. LOL (Some other people here have problems with little things like that.)

Some people here are having problems with contractions? When are the babies due? lol.