Do christians really know the importance of marriage and how much God hates divorce?!
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B
No it means that the congregation just is not very interested in following the word of God regarding HOW TO and WHO TO appoint pastors and overseers. A man of integrity regarding God's word would resign because of the fruit of his LACK in bringing up GOD FEARING children.
But then he is also pastoring a congregation who lack the same.
But then he is also pastoring a congregation who lack the same.
C
Barlygurl's comment made me think of something I've noticed. At my church and others I've visited off and on I've noticed its mostly women. This got my attention bc I'm married but go to church alone. I started noticing how I am not the only married woman there without my husband. So although I agree with the authority positioning of women according to God(of course it's God's word so I must) I think that is hard to do when only the wife is trying to live by the God's word.
B
>>>>God hates divorce, but He also hates a man who covers his wife with violence. That is in the OT.<<<<
THis is a mis-use of scripture to your premise conclusion is accurate.
Malachi 2:16
New International Version
"The man who hates and divorces his wife," says the LORD, the God of Israel, "does violence to the one he should protect," says the LORD Almighty. So be on your guard, and do not be unfaithful.
New Living Translation
"For I hate divorce!" says the LORD, the God of Israel. "To divorce your wife is to overwhelm her with cruelty," says the LORD of Heaven's Armies. "So guard your heart; do not be unfaithful to your wife."
English Standard Version
“For the man who does not love his wife but divorces her, says the LORD, the God of Israel, covers his garment with violence, says the LORD of hosts. So guard yourselves in your spirit, and do not be faithless.”
New American Standard Bible
"For I hate divorce," says the LORD, the God of Israel, "and him who covers his garment with wrong," says the LORD of hosts. "So take heed to your spirit, that you do not deal treacherously."
King James Bible
For the LORD, the God of Israel, saith that he hateth putting away: for one covereth violence with his garment, saith the LORD of hosts: therefore take heed to your spirit, that ye deal not treacherously.
Holman Christian Standard Bible
If he hates and divorces his wife," says the LORD God of Israel, "he covers his garment with injustice," says the LORD of Hosts. Therefore, watch yourselves carefully, and do not act treacherously.
International Standard Version
"Indeed, the LORD God of Israel says that he hates divorce, along with the one who conceals his violence by outward appearances," says the LORD of the Heavenly Armies. "So guard yourselves carefully, and don't be unfaithful."
The scripture says... a man who divorces his wife IS COMMITING VIOLENCE against her.... which would include a rational deduction that committing ACTUAL violence upon your wife is also not okay.
THis is a mis-use of scripture to your premise conclusion is accurate.
Malachi 2:16
New International Version
"The man who hates and divorces his wife," says the LORD, the God of Israel, "does violence to the one he should protect," says the LORD Almighty. So be on your guard, and do not be unfaithful.
New Living Translation
"For I hate divorce!" says the LORD, the God of Israel. "To divorce your wife is to overwhelm her with cruelty," says the LORD of Heaven's Armies. "So guard your heart; do not be unfaithful to your wife."
English Standard Version
“For the man who does not love his wife but divorces her, says the LORD, the God of Israel, covers his garment with violence, says the LORD of hosts. So guard yourselves in your spirit, and do not be faithless.”
New American Standard Bible
"For I hate divorce," says the LORD, the God of Israel, "and him who covers his garment with wrong," says the LORD of hosts. "So take heed to your spirit, that you do not deal treacherously."
King James Bible
For the LORD, the God of Israel, saith that he hateth putting away: for one covereth violence with his garment, saith the LORD of hosts: therefore take heed to your spirit, that ye deal not treacherously.
Holman Christian Standard Bible
If he hates and divorces his wife," says the LORD God of Israel, "he covers his garment with injustice," says the LORD of Hosts. Therefore, watch yourselves carefully, and do not act treacherously.
International Standard Version
"Indeed, the LORD God of Israel says that he hates divorce, along with the one who conceals his violence by outward appearances," says the LORD of the Heavenly Armies. "So guard yourselves carefully, and don't be unfaithful."
The scripture says... a man who divorces his wife IS COMMITING VIOLENCE against her.... which would include a rational deduction that committing ACTUAL violence upon your wife is also not okay.
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Took me a while -- but I get part of it:
AgeofKnowledge is using a bit of (dark) humor to describe a scenario: Women who get married, have a kid, and then immediately divorce.
As for AoK's motivation: I'm not 100% certain, but I think he's agreeing with you and adding another problem to the problems you previously mentioned.
Does this help?
AgeofKnowledge is using a bit of (dark) humor to describe a scenario: Women who get married, have a kid, and then immediately divorce.
As for AoK's motivation: I'm not 100% certain, but I think he's agreeing with you and adding another problem to the problems you previously mentioned.
Does this help?
C
What if his children are adults? They make their own decisions. Don't agree that a preacher's family must live like a preacher. I agree the preacher's fruit should be inspected. But his adult children? Idk about that. A preacher is a man just like us. Besides in the bible Jesus shows up during people's lives when they're a mess not when they have everything going great.
B
Thanks for your effort but no it doesn't help... we will have to see if AOK is willing to clarify otherwise it is just guessing and I would rather not spend the energy on the myriad of "guesses". He could have just made a mistake and misdirected the comment... I don't know???
For entertainment we could start a pool... to bet if you guessed right...lol!
For entertainment we could start a pool... to bet if you guessed right...lol!
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B
Hmm, I don' wanna post the whole passage and derail the thread... so you could start one if you want. Anyway practical application would be to distinguish that GOD says man is the head of wife so then when husband is not a believer, the wife would submit to GOd in agreeing with this principal and perform her "wife duty as helpmeet" to her husband in a manner that pleases God by not being contentious or spiritually superior or over-ruling in her behavior toward her husband and conducting herself as being a peaceful spirit who fears God, when conflicts arise... this is the signal to go to the prayer closet and make your requests be known. I understand when husband's are very worldy and carnal this is HARD, but I also believe God is good and he sees and will help orchestrate the circumstances to bring about HIS will when the wife shows herself willing to align herself with HIM. I absolutely do not mean "make it all glitter and rainbows" because the word says WE WILL HAVE HARDSHIP. It is just kinda crumby when the hardship is the marriage.
A
My point is that the National Center for Health Statistics (part of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention) published datasets (prepared by the National Vital Statistics System) on Marriages and Divorces clearly showing that while the U.S. divorce rate has remained approximately constant, the marriage rate has rapidly decreased.
Gallup polling data shows that most young people still want to get married at some point in their lifetime but those polls group men and women together. When polling data that took gender into account was examined, most single young millennial males do not want to marry in the present marriage environment while women certainly do.
The young men stated there's far too much liability to marriage for them, especially in a poor economy in which many of them cannot find reasonably good paying steady income and could end up in jail with a criminal record after a divorce, but few benefits to the alternative of not marrying.
Hence, they are not marrying women, and the dark humor.
Modern Marriage Contract:
I will be <said female> indentured servant for many years to life with the full understanding that should I fail to make all court-ordered payments to <said female> after she divorces me for no reason, or any reason whatsoever, that I will go to jail and incur a criminal record negatively affecting my ability to earn and limiting my career opportunities for the rest of my natural life.
Date ________________ Signed ____________________
^ Gee, why are men opting out of signing up for this stellar deal? Huh, *scratches head.* I can't figure it out. Why do you think they aren't jumping at this "opportunity"?
Gallup polling data shows that most young people still want to get married at some point in their lifetime but those polls group men and women together. When polling data that took gender into account was examined, most single young millennial males do not want to marry in the present marriage environment while women certainly do.
The young men stated there's far too much liability to marriage for them, especially in a poor economy in which many of them cannot find reasonably good paying steady income and could end up in jail with a criminal record after a divorce, but few benefits to the alternative of not marrying.
Hence, they are not marrying women, and the dark humor.
Modern Marriage Contract:
I will be <said female> indentured servant for many years to life with the full understanding that should I fail to make all court-ordered payments to <said female> after she divorces me for no reason, or any reason whatsoever, that I will go to jail and incur a criminal record negatively affecting my ability to earn and limiting my career opportunities for the rest of my natural life.
Date ________________ Signed ____________________
^ Gee, why are men opting out of signing up for this stellar deal? Huh, *scratches head.* I can't figure it out. Why do you think they aren't jumping at this "opportunity"?
K
I mean, brethren, I feel so sad seeing so many brothers and sisters having their lives shattered by divorces. What´s behind all this? The enemy? Distance from God? Lack of faith? Not knowing the functions each part should have?
Even when the spouse divorces for the "right" reasons (the only valid reason Jesus said), do they both know they should not get involved or marry again? Why so many adultery? Why so many "I´ll divorce because I do not want to put up with you anymore."?
What about the spouses that, in spite of being mistreated by so many reasons, are willing to forgive and continue to build the marriage, love and serve God, but still, are abandoned?
Dear brethren, recently I´ve been more sensitive to this matter, and believe me, I feel so sad about it...! So sad...
I pray for all brothers and sisters that are facing such devastating reality. May our dear Lord give them all the strength, peace and comfort they need to deal with it every day of their lives...!
May the Lord bless you all, dear brethren!
Even when the spouse divorces for the "right" reasons (the only valid reason Jesus said), do they both know they should not get involved or marry again? Why so many adultery? Why so many "I´ll divorce because I do not want to put up with you anymore."?
What about the spouses that, in spite of being mistreated by so many reasons, are willing to forgive and continue to build the marriage, love and serve God, but still, are abandoned?
Dear brethren, recently I´ve been more sensitive to this matter, and believe me, I feel so sad about it...! So sad...
I pray for all brothers and sisters that are facing such devastating reality. May our dear Lord give them all the strength, peace and comfort they need to deal with it every day of their lives...!
May the Lord bless you all, dear brethren!
Yes God hates divorce.It use to be that divorce was seen as unacceptable in the church but as even pastors began to divorce it became more and more permissible.There are a few reasons why I think things have changed.People may disagree but thats never stopped me before.
1}There has never been a more sexually open society then there is this day in age.Nothing is left to the imagination.I never was one to dress immodestly and never really noticed till I got married how immodestly dressed many women are,even Christian woman.But women are not the only ones to blame,I seen many young men with pained expressions on their faces while wearing skinny jeans.My point? How easy is it to resist temptation when its in your face 24/7 everywhere you look.It makes it a lot harder for young couples especially.
2) Men arent raised to be gentlemen like they once were. But on the other side of the coin womens lib have made men afraid to be gentlemen and open doors etc. My father opened a door for a woman once to which she said "I can open my own door"! So this has changed mens perception of women,and vise versa.
3) Young women are being raised to believe they are little princesses and everything they stamp their foot for they should get.My husband was flabbergasted when I offered to pay for a meal.He said no woman had ever offered to pay for a meal.Now he's old fashioned and believes a man should always pay so Ive had to fight him to pay a bill. I flabbergasted him again when a light in our house kept blowing.I took the switch plate off,saw it was wired wrong and replaced the switch and had the light working again.My point? Too many young spoiled divas out there.Its ok to be feminine and still be able to roll up your sleeves and get dirty.
4) Too many Hollywood movies.Too much fantasy not enough real life. The perfect kiss,the perfect engagement,the perfect life. Everyone and their dog in Hollywood is divorced,they can only play act it in the movies.Why? Because real marriage takes work and sacrifice and compromise.You cant get your way all the time in real life.Our "heroes" havent taught us that.
5) Everyone is looking for Mr or Mrs perfect. Are you perfect? Nope but I deserve to be married to Mr Perfect.I tried so hard not to laugh at a friend of mind. Shes my age and looking for a man desperately.So I asked her what she wanted in a man,her values etc. She looked me straight in the face and said "You know The Rock"? I said "Dwayne Johnson?!" "Yes,I want a man just like him!" "The actor...the wrestler" I say. "Yes! I want a man like him"! Wow,I did not even know what to say to that one.I filled my mouth with food just so I didnt have to answer.Nothing about values,nothing about faith, not saying anything against Mr Johnson,but seriously?!
6) This generation has everything instantly.We wait for nothing and if we have to we're outraged.We throw it away if its broken,buy new. They dont know hardship.If we're sick we go to a doctor.We lack for nothing.We expect,demand our rights. We dont know how to sacrifice the way our grandparents did. Our parents lived that way and made life too easy for us.We get a medal for everything.We're entitled and spoiled.And we ask why so much divorce? I ask,why not?"
7) Lastly a lot of us grew up with arguing parents.They were miserable,they made us miserable.Some stayed together but many divorced and this shook a lot of peoples faith in marriage from a young age.I think this has left a lasting impression on a lot of kids that grew up and swore they would never divorce.Then they get married and it gets difficult and they think "Im not living like my parents in misery" and they bail.
Anyway JMO of why there are so many divorces now days.Im sure it will be kicked apart so let the fun begin.
B
Thank You AOK for clarifying exactly what your comment was intended to convey. I am still at a loss as to why it was directed at me... apparently SOMETHING I said prompted the comment... I am just having a hard time figuring out how to string the two together??? No matter... it's fine... and now I have exposed how I am a decidedly LINEAR thinker and randomness confuses me.
...sorry
...sorry
V
Hi Christine , Your comment brought a passage to mind... 1Peter3:1-6 be encouraged.
, Your comment brought a passage to mind... 1Peter3:1-6 be encouraged.
My question is, what is your real motive in reproving others about submissiveness?
Just wondering.....
B
I notice throughout CC you are repeatedly driving the point home about wives submitting to their husbands. Two things strike me as odd regarding that. 1. You yourself are unmarried. 2. You get offended intensely when people disagree with you and rather than exhibiting a submissive spirit, you are critical and angry.
My question is, what is your real motive in reproving others about submissiveness? Just wondering.....
My question is, what is your real motive in reproving others about submissiveness?
Just wondering.....
Regarding women being submissive to husbands... that is the word of God...if you don't like it... argue with HIM... the issue is absolutely settled for me.
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