Tree of "Good and Evil". What is it really?

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RussellJBenigno

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Cateau said:
So would god be ok with saying jesus instead of Yah or Allah instead of god?
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The term "God" just means "Deity". It is a recognition of a higher power. The name Jesus in generic terms is the Greek name of a man. There were plenty of Jesus' and was a common name during that time period. In Hebrew the name Jesus is Yeshua, and there is nothing special about the mane. In Mexico there are plenty of Jesus'.
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I understand he is 3 in one being angelic, man and cosmic consciousness but to say He is not Yah not Yeshua not Mikeahl is to open the door of idolatry.
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Hebrew names either end in "yah" or "el" which are derivatives of the name of God [Yahweh or El], they are just modifiers associating that person with God and that's it. There's no idolatry by not having a name which starts or ends with "Yah or El.
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To not study what doctrins have been robbed of truth like the crusifiction on a stake when it was a tree trunk holds much importance to wave away a name and say oh use any its ok he's listening is dangerous. That sort of leave it be practice is what leads to the damnation of souls for we will be judged also for what we do not know. Because we should look until we find. Knock until answered or we may be dismayed to know we were wrong all along.
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Head Knowledge is nice, but not Gods goal for us. The Pharisees had knowledge which would put most christians to shame, but there was no heart knowledge. Heart knowledge is not dependent on what we know in the flesh. Heart knowledge is a deep intimate joining of our soul with His.
 
RussellJBenigno

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Could be but how much was stitched in the bible? As JC not jesus christ lol, compares gods impregnating mortal females in the form of animals. A goose... a dove.... Although representing spirit, we hope, but they are very simmilar stories. Jesus was said to be taken from a myth of dioynes (idk how to spell it) who was torn to shreds as a babe and reserrected, being part god and all. If thats so, considering the other myths the bible shares precepts with, it could be that its been diluted too much to even trust
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The bible we now have did not exist for 300yrs after Pentecost. What did the early Christians depend upon? It was not the bible. Our knowledge is dependent upon the Holy Spirit and our relationship with God. There were many times I read something in the bible and my soul said there was something wrong with the passage. When I went to the Hebrew and Greek it said exactly what was in my soul. So how did my soul know that the passage was mistranslated? Its by my relationship with God and His Holy Spirit teaching me all things. The Pharisees had head knowledge, but no Holy Spirit knowledge. The Holy Spirit is what the early church depended upon until a bible was created. Sadly the modern church thinks that because they have the bible, they think they have life, the the bible speaks of Jesus. Just like the Pharisees the modern church commits the same sin.
 
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RussellJBenigno said:
The term "God" just means "Deity". It is a recognition of a higher power. The name Jesus in generic terms is the Greek name of a man. There were plenty of Jesus' and was a common name during that time period. In Hebrew the name Jesus is Yeshua, and there is nothing special about the mane. In Mexico there are plenty of Jesus'.

Hebrew names either end in "yah" or "el" which are derivatives of the name of God [Yahweh or El], they are just modifiers associating that person with God and that's it. There's no idolatry by not having a name which starts or ends with "Yah or El.

Head Knowledge is nice, but not Gods goal for us. The Pharisees had knowledge which would put most christians to shame, but there was no heart knowledge. Heart knowledge is not dependent on what we know in the flesh. Heart knowledge is a deep intimate joining of our soul with His.
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Wont that lead to a one world religion. To hold hands with everyone as some preach to do...no way, if im worshipping satan under the guise of Yah id like to know because yes a name is a whole difference. There are many gods and you know not who you invoke unless its by the proper name. If words are so important so are names, you cant say you are worshipping jesus and say his father is Allah nor can u say Yeshua is Jesus because names arnt translated or trasliterated they are not to be changed or you lose meaning of it. Not claiming more ancient languages existed and it couldn't be something else but you cant say someone is someone else if they have diff names.
 
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Wont that lead to a one world religion. To hold hands with everyone as some preach to do...no way, if im worshipping satan under the guise of Yah id like to know because yes a name is a whole difference. There are many gods and you know not who you invoke unless its by the proper name. If words are so important so are names, you cant say you are worshipping jesus and say his father is Allah nor can u say Yeshua is Jesus because names arnt translated or trasliterated they are not to be changed or you lose meaning of it. Not claiming more ancient languages existed and it couldn't be something else but you cant say someone is someone else if they have diff names.
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I don't worry about any of that because the Holy Spirit will show me all things I need to know. If you need to know names and etc, that's OK by me because I'm not going to tell you what to believe as many here do all the time. All I'm saying is that we have been given a beautiful Gift of the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit will bring all things to mind that we need to know. There have been time where I was speaking to people and stop in the middle of what I was saying, because God had me say things I knew nothing about. In other words I had to stop and listen to myself, because it was information from God that was beyond my knowledge.
 
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RussellJBenigno said:
I don't worry about any of that because the Holy Spirit will show me all things I need to know. If you need to know names and etc, that's OK by me because I'm not going to tell you what to believe as many here do all the time. All I'm saying is that we have been given a beautiful Gift of the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit will bring all things to mind that we need to know. There have been time where I was speaking to people and stop in the middle of what I was saying, because God had me say things I knew nothing about. In other words I had to stop and listen to myself, because it was information from God that was beyond my knowledge.
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Yes but havnt u heard these r dangerous end times. There was an instance when after someone spoke in tounges, they feeling blessed looked at their fellow brethren and shocked at what they heard they told the person he had just blasphemed the HS in their native language. When the evil forces are working from the inside out how can we be sure of anything unless ..we pray yes ...but also we must discern "them" from Him. And i feel many worship and heed to the enemy.
 
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RussellJBenigno said:
There are many things we don't know. There was a man just prior to Jesus who basically did the same things as Jesus and was also killed by the Romans. I have handled all this extras; as you numerously mention; by making things as simplistic as possible. God is "Creator". God is not a he, she or an it. God does not have human form, :ie eyes, ears , hands feet and etc. These anthropomorphic images are for our reference and understanding. God transcends all our earthly understanding. God sent His word into the world and created a body for it. God has no mouth and does not make sounds controlled by vocal cords. So His word is something else. His word is able to interact with men. The Word is a representation of the Creator and carries out His will. The point is that everything you mention is man trying to place the creator into a box they can understand. This in no way destroys my faith in a "Son of the Creator."
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There was a man just prior to Jesus that basically did the same things as Jesus and was also killed by the Romans.

A man who did basically all the same things as Jesus? Isn't there a moderator anywhere? This is the definition of heresy.
 
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RussellJBenigno said:
The bible we now have did not exist for 300yrs after Pentecost. What did the early Christians depend upon? It was not the bible. Our knowledge is dependent upon the Holy Spirit and our relationship with God. There were many times I read something in the bible and my soul said there was something wrong with the passage. When I went to the Hebrew and Greek it said exactly what was in my soul. So how did my soul know that the passage was mistranslated? Its by my relationship with God and His Holy Spirit teaching me all things. The Pharisees had head knowledge, but no Holy Spirit knowledge. The Holy Spirit is what the early church depended upon until a bible was created. Sadly the modern church thinks that because they have the bible, they think they have life, the the bible speaks of Jesus. Just like the Pharisees the modern church commits the same sin.
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Read something in the Bible and his soul said there was something wrong with the passage?

Nope, something wrong with the reader not the Bible.
 
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It's the knowledge of good and evil. Knowledge. To me that means it puts us in charge of deciding what's good or evil. Not God. That's why it was forbidden. By having the knowledge we rely on ourselves to make our choices. And isn't that basically putting us on God's level like Satan wanted to be. This is kinda off topic but people that are Satanists don't worship Satan per se.They see themselves as capable of running their own life. And may the best man win type of theory. And knowledge is power.So it's easy to see how that type of belief comes from Satan..
 
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Yes but havnt u heard these r dangerous end times. There was an instance when after someone spoke in tounges, they feeling blessed looked at their fellow brethren and shocked at what they heard they told the person he had just blasphemed the HS in their native language. When the evil forces are working from the inside out how can we be sure of anything unless ..we pray yes ...but also we must discern "them" from Him. And i feel many worship and heed to the enemy.
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You are right! There are many who worship the enemy. I'm not saying we must be careless or not discern. Of course we need to discern. There are people who don't speak in tongues and blaspheme God. I have heard it on this forum, not all who say Lord, Lord are His. Then there are people who have spoken in tongues and delivered a beautiful Gospel message in the native tongues of people. God said He would allow a spirit of self deception take hold on people in these last days and a great falling away in the church. I believe that falling away is here and now. I see the self deception with no apparent cause. We must rest in the power of God. We must yield to the Holy Spirit and not man made doctrines. So yes these are dangerous times and all the more for us to rest in God.
 
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Christine1974 said:
It's the knowledge of good and evil. Knowledge. To me that means it puts us in charge of deciding what's good or evil. Not God. That's why it was forbidden. By having the knowledge we rely on ourselves to make our choices. And isn't that basically putting us on God's level like Satan wanted to be. This is kinda off topic but people that are Satanists don't worship Satan per se.They see themselves as capable of running their own life. And may the best man win type of theory. And knowledge is power.So it's easy to see how that type of belief comes from Satan..
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It depends on how we look at this "Teaching of Good and Evil". You have to remember that Adam and Eve knew no Evil. All they knew was the goodness of God. When they were taught what Evil was, it opened their understanding to include corruption. Corruption is the break down of something which is good in nature. When fruit is corrupted it rots. So they had learned how to do good and now they were taught how to corrupt that good. I don't see it as "I'm in charge" as much as, "Now I know how to do the opposite of good". Does that make sense.
 
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RussellJBenigno said:
The bible we now have did not exist for 300yrs after Pentecost. What did the early Christians depend upon? It was not the bible. Our knowledge is dependent upon the Holy Spirit and our relationship with God. There were many times I read something in the bible and my soul said there was something wrong with the passage. When I went to the Hebrew and Greek it said exactly what was in my soul. So how did my soul know that the passage was mistranslated? Its by my relationship with God and His Holy Spirit teaching me all things. The Pharisees had head knowledge, but no Holy Spirit knowledge. The Holy Spirit is what the early church depended upon until a bible was created. Sadly the modern church thinks that because they have the bible, they think they have life, the the bible speaks of Jesus. Just like the Pharisees the modern church commits the same sin.
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So little understanding. But what do I expect from you? You have shown you have no idea what you're talking about.
 
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RussellJBenigno said:
It depends on how we look at this "Teaching of Good and Evil". You have to remember that Adam and Eve knew no Evil. All they knew was the goodness of God. When they were taught what Evil was, it opened their understanding to include corruption. Corruption is the break down of something which is good in nature. When fruit is corrupted it rots. So they had learned how to do good and now they were taught how to corrupt that good. I don't see it as "I'm in charge" as much as, "Now I know how to do the opposite of good". Does that make sense.
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Yes that makes sense. I agree. The part where we become in charge is we decide which to do. Bc evil existed before they ate from the tree they just didn't have the knowledge of it.
 
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I don't think they knew how to do good. I think they were good. If there is no bad then there isn't a good. It's the knowledge that there's a difference that was forbidden.
 
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Christine1974 said:
Yes that makes sense. I agree. The part where we become in charge is we decide which to do. Bc evil existed before they ate from the tree they just didn't have the knowledge of it.
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When man kind was created it was created in the image of God. What is that image? Part of that image is to make our own decisions. We were put in charge of the world and we were to make decisions. Adam and Eve were created rulers and rulers make decisions. The problem came when they were given information which corrupted the decision making process. It was no longer a decision between good and good or good even better, but the opposite of a good decision. Now all of this is conjecture because we don't have a complete narrative.
 
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The best way I can explain is like with a child. Until your child tasted soda they loved their juice, milk water whatever. They never knew about soda. Never knew what they were missing. Perfectly content with apple juice. But once they taste soda they always ask for it at the restaurant. Lol.
 
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Christine1974 said:
I don't think they knew how to do good. I think they were good. If there is no bad then there isn't a good. It's the knowledge that there's a difference that was forbidden.
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Well! Yeah! Good is all they knew. Something off topic but, God is light. So in the beginning there was no darkness because there was only God and God is light. Darkness came later and most likely after Lucifer's fall.
 
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Christine1974 said:
The best way I can explain is like with a child. Until your child tasted soda they loved their juice, milk water whatever. They never knew about soda. Never knew what they were missing. Perfectly content with apple juice. But once they taste soda they always ask for it at the restaurant. Lol.
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I would agree, though my wife and I never had children. But our cats are our kids and once they discover something they like watch out. LOL!
 
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RussellJBenigno said:
Well! Yeah! Good is all they knew. Something off topic but, God is light. So in the beginning there was no darkness because there was only God and God is light. Darkness came later and most likely after Lucifer's fall.
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Actually other way around. At first the earth was dark. Then God said let there be light. He separated the day/night. Which could lead to a whole other topic of the darkness that was on earth before God created..well everything. Including light.
 
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Christine1974 said:
Actually other way around. At first the earth was dark. Then God said let there be light. He separated the day/night. Which could lead to a whole other topic of the darkness that was on earth before God created..well everything. Including light.
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Not if you hold the view that Genesis 1:1 is the recreation of the earth, which came after the fall. There are theories and conjectures in passages of scripture which point to a pre-Adamic existence. I hold to a view which holds that the earth and universe were salvaged from desolation, because of Lucifer's rebellion. Lucifer did not go quietly when he took 2/3 of the angelic host with him. If you read this thread from the beginning I speak of other beings being present in the Garden along with Adam and Eve.
 
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