Obsession with Confession (1 John 1:9, sin confession)

[mailmandan]

They're trying to convince themselves. They don't yet believe God already approves of them through Jesus Christ's Atonement.

Either we see Christ as an IN-sufficient Savior (and we seek to add supplements to the cross in order to receive God's approval and help Christ save us) or else we see Christ as an ALL-sufficient Savior and we trust exclusively in His finished work of redemption as the ALL-sufficient means of our salvation.

 

[VioletReigns]

“Out of the heart, the mouth speaks.” Jesus could always read between the lines of the Pharisees who tried to debate with Him. They presented all kinds of hypothetical situations to Jesus in order to trounce Him, But Jesus always cut through their crap and exposed their fakery every time. He knew their real motives just by the “hypothetical” scenarios they conjured up.

For behind their questions to Jesus was nothing but blatant pompousness. Their flesh was always obvious to Jesus. When people propose such questions, they’re just trying to justify their own legalistic perceptions of the flesh.

Jesus made the Pharisees answer their own questions. By their OWN interpretation of the law, through their every admission of their own understanding of the scriptures, they were exposing their own hearts to Christ.

The Pharisees had their religious structures torn apart in front of the whole crowd whom they hoped to impress with their strict regimen of obtaining eternal life. Their dramatic scriptural performance was laid to ruin by their own words.

Though the questions they posed on the surface sounded spiritually upright, Jesus saw right through them. We can see through it in others and ourselves as well when our ears are in tune with the Holy Spirit. God only deals with the heart, and out of the heart the mouth speaks.

When the Light of Jesus Christ shines on a man’s heart, he is most definitely exposed. Our hearts condemn us because we know we can’t do the things God asks us to do.

I cannot love like that.
I cannot trust like that.
I cannot believe grace like that.
I cannot see God the Father like that.
I cannot forgive like that.
I cannot accept forgiveness like that.
I cannot live pure in heart like that.
I cannot believe I am made holy.

Of course we cannot love, forgive, trust & live pure of ourselves. But in Christ, we can do all things. Not of ourselves, so nobody can boast. It is entirely the work of the Holy Spirit in us. If we don't believe that, we will keep on striving with God.

Jesus doesn’t let us off easy. His Sword of the Spirit will cut deception in us to pieces and render us solely dependent on Him for everything. Our flesh cannot receive anything from God and Jesus gets our flesh out of the way so we can receive.

Whenever someone presents a hypothetical situation or a long dramatic religious rant in an effort to appear holy and right, God sees the motive. There is a reason we pose such scenarios: we are trying to justify our own efforts. We don’t yet trust completely in the work of Jesus Christ in us. We don’t trust Him alone to complete what He started. We want to take some kind of credit for our own salvation because we cannot believe we are truly forgiven and approved of by God through Jesus Christ. Until we surrender our carnal mind to the Lord, we won’t know Him as He really is.

 

[KennethC]

Pretty much everybody on this site that is active with you disagrees with your doctrine and you have told us all, many times, that we are walking improperly.

Why don't you have us all on ignore then?

You are to shun us right? are you going to follow that command?

You have a point. Either he is going to obey God, (as he has made God to say...) or he isn't.

Well first I have not taken the other steps yet, for we are to bring you before others and then to the whole congregation before shunning the person.

I am still trying to get through to others with the pure word of God that is not defiled by such men as Augustine and Calvin to show others the truth.

If I was to just up and shun some of you and ignore I would not be following the other steps, also I would not be doing as the word of God says that by the Holy Spirit we are placed as overseers of the rest of the flock.


Tell me why does Jesus, Paul, Peter, James, and Jude warn believers about leaving the faith to follow false teachings if it is not possible to do ???

 

[KennethC]

They're trying to convince themselves. They don't yet believe God already approves of them through Jesus Christ's Atonement.

Wrong we are not trying to convince ourselves, we know the Lord our God abides in us and that we are head to eternal life through Him.

What gets overlooked is that the bible shows are works and the fruits are proof that one is saved, they do not do the saving nor do they maintain salvation, but they are proof that one is saved with the Holy Spirit working in and through them.

 

[VioletReigns]

Well first I have not taken the other steps yet, for we are to bring you before others and then to the whole congregation before shunning the person.

I am still trying to get through to others with the pure word of God that is not defiled by such men as Augustine and Calvin to show others the truth.

If I was to just up and shun some of you and ignore I would not be following the other steps, also I would not be doing as the word of God says that by the Holy Spirit we are placed as overseers of the rest of the flock.


Tell me why does Jesus, Paul, Peter, James, and Jude warn believers about leaving the faith to follow false teachings if it is not possible to do ???

What I read is that you don't believe God approves of you as you are. You're still trying to be holy of yourself. You're afraid.

 

[KennethC]

The Pharisees did not bring up hypothetical situations when they came after Jesus.

What they did was bring up the letter of the Mosaic laws to Him to try to catch Him in breaking them, but Jesus instead rebuked them for sticking to the letter but not showing the greater things of God of love and mercy.

“Out of the heart, the mouth speaks.” Jesus could always read between the lines of the Pharisees who tried to debate with Him. They presented all kinds of hypothetical situations to Jesus in order to trounce Him, But Jesus always cut through their crap and exposed their fakery every time. He knew their real motives just by the “hypothetical” scenarios they conjured up.

For behind their questions to Jesus was nothing but blatant pompousness. Their flesh was always obvious to Jesus. When people propose such questions, they’re just trying to justify their own legalistic perceptions of the flesh.

Jesus made the Pharisees answer their own questions. By their OWN interpretation of the law, through their every admission of their own understanding of the scriptures, they were exposing their own hearts to Christ.

The Pharisees had their religious structures torn apart in front of the whole crowd whom they hoped to impress with their strict regimen of obtaining eternal life. Their dramatic scriptural performance was laid to ruin by their own words.

Though the questions they posed on the surface sounded spiritually upright, Jesus saw right through them. We can see through it in others and ourselves as well when our ears are in tune with the Holy Spirit. God only deals with the heart, and out of the heart the mouth speaks.

When the Light of Jesus Christ shines on a man’s heart, he is most definitely exposed. Our hearts condemn us because we know we can’t do the things God asks us to do.

I cannot love like that.
I cannot trust like that.
I cannot believe grace like that.
I cannot see God the Father like that.
I cannot forgive like that.
I cannot accept forgiveness like that.
I cannot live pure in heart like that.
I cannot believe I am made holy.

Of course we cannot love, forgive, trust & live pure of ourselves. But in Christ, we can do all things. Not of ourselves, so nobody can boast. It is entirely the work of the Holy Spirit in us. If we don't believe that, we will keep on striving with God.

Jesus doesn’t let us off easy. His Sword of the Spirit will cut deception in us to pieces and render us solely dependent on Him for everything. Our flesh cannot receive anything from God and Jesus gets our flesh out of the way so we can receive.

Whenever someone presents a hypothetical situation or a long dramatic religious rant in an effort to appear holy and right, God sees the motive. There is a reason we pose such scenarios: we are trying to justify our own efforts. We don’t yet trust completely in the work of Jesus Christ in us. We don’t trust Him alone to complete what He started. We want to take some kind of credit for our own salvation because we cannot believe we are truly forgiven and approved of by God through Jesus Christ. Until we surrender our carnal mind to the Lord, we won’t know Him as He really is.

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[KennethC]

What I read is that you don't believe God approves of you as you are. You're still trying to be holy of yourself. You're afraid.

Wrong again as I have full faith and trust in the Lord and He accepted me for the sinner that I was, but after accepting Jesus as our Lord and Savior there is nowhere in the bible that says you can remain to be that same sinful person you once were.

Jesus gives us the help by the Holy Spirit to lead us away from that lifestyle.

 

[VioletReigns]

The Pharisees did not bring up hypothetical situations when they came after Jesus.

What they did was bring up the letter of the Mosaic laws to Him to try to catch Him in breaking them, but Jesus instead rebuked them for sticking to the letter but not showing the greater things of God of love and mercy.

Jesus was exposing their true motives. You don't see that because you perceive only a story of facts and law.


you asked:
Tell me why does Jesus, Paul, Peter, James, and Jude warn believers about leaving the faith to follow false teachings if it is not possible to do ???

You yourself are afraid of falling away. Therefore you must keep justifying your religious works (shunning men??) as faith.

 

[VioletReigns]

Wrong again as I have full faith and trust in the Lord and He accepted me for the sinner that I was, but after accepting Jesus as our Lord and Savior there is nowhere in the bible that says you can remain to be that same sinful person you once were.

Jesus gives us the help by the Holy Spirit to lead us away from that lifestyle.

You cannot believe Jesus saves you once and for all.

 

[KennethC]

Jesus was exposing their true motives. You don't see that because you perceive only a story of facts and law.


you asked:
Tell me why does Jesus, Paul, Peter, James, and Jude warn believers about leaving the faith to follow false teachings if it is not possible to do ???

You yourself are afraid of falling away. Therefore you must keep justifying your religious works (shunning men??) as faith.

Wrong again as I am not afraid of falling away because I know that my faith and trust in the Lord will never waver.

However just because I have confidence where my faith stands with the Lord does not mean I am to neglect warning others that falling away and departing from the faith is possible.

For we are never to neglect any part of the word of God especially when we are speaking to others.
Because if we neglect to warn them just as Apostle Paul did then we are not doing His will in our lives, as rather the words in the bible are spoken by Jesus, Paul, James, John, Peter, or Jude they are all still from God Himself.

You also did not answer the question why is there so many warnings from Jesus and the Apostles about falling away to false teachers if it is not possible ???

 

[VioletReigns]

You posted, "If I was to just up and shun some of you and ignore I would not be following the other steps, also I would not be doing as the word of God says that by the Holy Spirit we are placed as overseers of the rest of the flock."

How can one be an overseer of a flock if he himself doesn't believe he is secure once and for all by the Shepherd of God?

 

[KennethC]

You cannot believe Jesus saves you once and for all.

Do you believe this scripture to be true:

Hebrews 5:9
And being made perfect, He became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey Him;

It says He is the author of salvation to those who obey Him, and what we obey is what He taught and commanded in the gospel books of Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John that all the Apostle expounded on.

Nowhere does the bible say future sins are automatically forgiven, and in order for that to be true then you would have to do away with Romans 3:25, 2 Peter 1:9, and 1 John 1:7-2:2.

The part you are referring to is He was the only sacrifice needed for sins once and for all, but He still told us how we are to receive that remission through His blood. Repentance, baptism, confession, forgiving others, and walking in love !!!

 

[VioletReigns]

You post:

"You also did not answer the question why is there so many warnings from Jesus and the Apostles about falling away to false teachers if it is not possible ???"

Again, I hear you saying that you are afraid of falling away to false teachers and so therefore warnings are important to you.

If you want a warning, I'll give you one:
"Don't be afraid."

The false teachers, my brother are those who tell you to follow religious law to keep striving to maintain holiness. Jesus suffered and died to give you abundant life whereas you can rest in Him forever. You don't have to be afraid anymore of failing or disappointing Him or missing the mark. He will lead and guide you always, JESUS will never fail YOU! You can rest your mind in Him.

 

[KennethC]

You posted, "If I was to just up and shun some of you and ignore I would not be following the other steps, also I would not be doing as the word of God says that by the Holy Spirit we are placed as overseers of the rest of the flock."

How can one be an overseer of a flock if he himself doesn't believe he is secure once and for all by the Shepherd of God?

Would you please stop posting that false accusation against me, for I do have faith and trust in the Lord that His Holy Spirit will keep me walking the proper path.

Some believers who are new to the faith or weak in the faith however do not full since of trust and can still waver and fall away back to perdition. We can not avoid those who are in this position and just pass it off and not warn them, nor can we just say they are not believers to begin with.

Once again because one instructs on the falling away and departing from the faith does not mean they are afraid of their own salvation through the Lord. It just means they are instructing on the full word of God and not just part of it !!!

 

[VioletReigns]

Do you believe this scripture to be true:

Hebrews 5:9
And being made perfect, He became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey Him;
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It says He is the author of salvation to those who obey Him, and what we obey is what He taught and commanded in the gospel books of Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John that all the Apostle expounded on.

Nowhere does the bible say future sins are automatically forgiven, and in order for that to be true then you would have to do away with Romans 3:25, 2 Peter 1:9, and 1 John 1:7-2:2.

The part you are referring to is He was the only sacrifice needed for sins once and for all, but He still told us how we are to receive that remission through His blood. Repentance, baptism, confession, forgiving others, and walking in love !!!

So you're saying you are afraid that you may not be obeying Him if you don't keep striving to keep the whole law.

Hebrews 5:9
And being made perfect, He became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey Him;

And Jesus was made perfect and became the Author/Originator/Creator of our ETERNAL SALVATION unto all of those who He has made to obey Him.

Either the Word is true or not... it reads, "not of yourselves, lest anyone boast" - Nobody on this site can boast of the "steps" they're following. Nobody can use scripture to justify their own works. It is purely the Holy Spirit directing our hearts. Otherwise, you are striving and afraid of failing to please God.

 

[KennethC]

You post:

"You also did not answer the question why is there so many warnings from Jesus and the Apostles about falling away to false teachers if it is not possible ???"

Again, I hear you saying that you are afraid of falling away to false teachers and so therefore warnings are important to you.

If you want a warning, I'll give you one:
"Don't be afraid."

The false teachers, my brother are those who tell you to follow religious law to keep striving to maintain holiness. Jesus suffered and died to give you abundant life whereas you can rest in Him forever. You don't have to be afraid anymore of failing or disappointing Him or missing the mark. He will lead and guide you always, JESUS will never fail YOU! You can rest your mind in Him.

There you go again still stating that I am afraid when I am not !!!

You also still avoid the question as so many do, even though it is a biblically sound question.

Apostle Paul warned disciples (not unbelievers) of following after false teachers in Acts 20:28-31, and he said he did this without ceasing day and night for 3 years in tears.

To warn other believers like that means there is more at stake then loss of rewards, and therefore we that are mature in the faith are to do the same. Warn believers now days of the false teaching they have bee lead in, and that false teaching stems from such that say falling away from the faith is impossible.

 

[VioletReigns]

There you go again still stating that I am afraid when I am not !!!

You also still avoid the question as so many do, even though it is a biblically sound question.

Apostle Paul warned disciples (not unbelievers) of following after false teachers in Acts 20:28-31, and he said he did this without ceasing day and night for 3 years in tears.

To warn other believers like that means there is more at stake then loss of rewards, and therefore we that are mature in the faith are to do the same. Warn believers now days of the false teaching they have bee lead in, and that false teaching stems from such that say falling away from the faith is impossible.

If you don't want to receive what I state, don't direct anymore of your posts to me. Don't ask ME if you don't want ME to answer. All you want to boast about is you obeying the law... none of what you say is reflecting the liberty of grace in Jesus.

 

[Gr8grace]

Well first I have not taken the other steps yet, for we are to bring you before others and then to the whole congregation before shunning the person.

I am still trying to get through to others with the pure word of God that is not defiled by such men as Augustine and Calvin to show others the truth.

If I was to just up and shun some of you and ignore I would not be following the other steps, also I would not be doing as the word of God says that by the Holy Spirit we are placed as overseers of the rest of the flock.


Tell me why does Jesus, Paul, Peter, James, and Jude warn believers about leaving the faith to follow false teachings if it is not possible to do ???

I believe it IS possible to leave the faith. IMO, you have. You haven't lost salvation, you have lost your faith that Christ alone is the author and finisher of your faith.

There is not merit in our faith. The merit is in the ONE who saves us the instant we believe.

You place the merit if your "working" faith. If your faith stops "working" you believe you won't be saved or will lose your salvation.

The same thing Calvin and Augustine taught. They just say it in a different way...."If one loses their faith,they weren't REALLY saved."

One camp just says you will lose salvation

the other says you were not really saved or you lost the salvation you THOUGHT you had.

 

[KennethC]

So you're saying you are afraid that you may not be obeying Him if you don't keep striving to keep the whole law.

Hebrews 5:9
And being made perfect, He became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey Him;

And Jesus was made perfect and became the Author/Originator/Creator of our ETERNAL SALVATION unto all of those who He has made to obey Him.

Either the Word is true or not... it reads, "not of yourselves, lest anyone boast" - Nobody on this site can boast of the "steps" they're following. Nobody can use scripture to justify their own works. It is purely the Holy Spirit directing our hearts. Otherwise, you are striving and afraid of failing to please God.

Please stop with the false allegation of being afraid !!!

He does not make anybody be a certain way as God gives us the choice to serve Him or serve ourselves.

We are not puppets that are forced to do things for Him, as that would not be true love if we are forced/made to do those things. The part now that you are interjecting about not of ourselves least anybody should boast comes in two parts;

1) We absolutely did nothing to deserve the grace God showed by sending His Son to be crucified for our sins.

2) When we are obeying His teachings out of love for Him that is not of ourselves or our own doing, it is living the better way in which He came to show us. It is His ways we are living by !!!

That is area that some of you do not learn to separate that when we get baptized, repent of our sins, and walk in love they are not our own works. They are His works that we are told to keep and obey.

Apostle Paul does not say it is wrong to boast, only that it is wrong to boast about our own works, but He does say we can boast in the Lord;

1 Corinthians 1:31
Therefore, as it is written: "Let the one who boasts boast in the Lord."

2 Corinthians 10:17
But, "Let the one who boasts boast in the Lord."

If you feel that I am boasting it is because I am boasting in the Lord and what He taught and commanded !!!

 

[KennethC]

If you don't want to receive what I state, don't direct anymore of your posts to me. Don't ask ME if you don't want ME to answer. All you want to boast about is you obeying the law... none of what you say is reflecting the liberty of grace in Jesus.

You did not answer the question and you came back with a false allegation, and now you are adding another false allegation of obeying the law.

I say that being false because like some you probably think there is only one law and that being the 613 Mosaic laws.

You do realize there are two laws;

OT law - 613 Mosaic laws (written ordinances)

NT law - law of Christ (Perfect law of liberty)

The Mosaic written ordinances do not apply to believers under the new covenant, however the perfect law of liberty given through Christ does exist and yes the 10 commandments are within this.

We do not uphold them as a set of laws though, we uphold them by walking in love as love will not cause one to transgress the ways of God.