It is a figment of an over active imagination.......and there is no place listed in scripture that even comes close to the Catholic purgatory......
Purgatory
- Thread starter Cretien
- Start date
-
Christian Chat is a moderated online Christian community allowing Christians around the world to fellowship with each other in real time chat via webcam, voice, and text, with the Christian Chat app. You can also start or participate in a Bible-based discussion here in the Christian Chat Forums, where members can also share with each other their own videos, pictures, or favorite Christian music.
If you are a Christian and need encouragement and fellowship, we're here for you! If you are not a Christian but interested in knowing more about Jesus our Lord, you're also welcome! Want to know what the Bible says, and how you can apply it to your life? Join us!
To make new Christian friends now around the world, click here to join Christian Chat.
Lewis was Anglican, Church of England, which I believe is called Episcopalian in the USA. Pretty much everyone was Church of England those days, including the unsaved, since infant baptism was supposed to save you. It was one of the first churches to break away from Rome and the RCC.
I'm sure you all remember King Henry VIII. Well, the pope wouldn't give him a divorce from his wife, Anne Boleyn, who only managed to produce a measly daughter, who became Elizabeth I. During her reign, the British Empire became the strongest Empire in the world, which basically lasted until WWI took too much of of them, and they lost their dominance to the American Empire.
So Henry chopped off Anne's head, and went through a lot of other wives, before he finally produced a sickly son with inherited syphilis, who died a teenager. And the daughter of the wife whose head he chopped off, and defied Rome to get rid of her, became on of the greatest Queens who ever lived!
Or something like that!
It was his first wife Catherine of Aragon he wanted to divorce, that caused the King to part with Rome, being bewitched by Anne Boleyn. I was a tad obsessed with the British monarchy earlier this year LOL, but read a couple of books by Robin Maxwell a few years ago, one called The Secret Diary of Anne Boleyn, and the other called The Queen's Bastard... both excellent reads, even if history is fictionalized therein. Anne Boleyn's Other Sister is a good watch, as are both Elizabeth movies with Cate Blanchett. Then there is The White Queen mini series of just a couple of years ago, based on the books from Philippa Gregory, wow, what an excellent run that was! The same woman who played Catherine Woodville, King Edward IV's wife, also portrayed Dinah in The Red Tent, which I both read and saw
G
Galahad
Guest
Yes. And a lot of the people who believed the RCC did not know how to read, and so the people were unable to check the teaching of the RCC with the Truth, and even it they could read they would not be able to compare the teaching. They did not own bibles themselves. Plus there's the issue of the Latin. RCC's language. But not the language of many Catholics.
The RCC had the people in fear and submission. The leaders lived in luxury while the laity suffered.
Purgatory was a scheme. A big money making scheme.
I have a friend who was raised RCC. He says they never let them have a Bible to read the entire time he was in catechism. He hates it all today, (RCC doctrine) because he found the truth in contrast to what he was taught. When we get together that's all he wants to talk about in comparison with scripture.
Purgatory is a myth, created by the RCC. It, along with many other false doctrines, like infant baptism, have tried to penetrate the Protestant church through what I call without a better phrase for it "wannabe catholic protestant churches" It's mostly through these denominations that the liberalism in the modern church has started & continues to lead the way.
Do the math..... investigate these false doctrines & the churches they dominate. Just check out where the charismatic movement originated from..... good 'ole Rome.
Some times I think it was a long-term plan for these "catholic spinoffs" to rejoin the RCC just before or during the Tribulation.
Do the math..... investigate these false doctrines & the churches they dominate. Just check out where the charismatic movement originated from..... good 'ole Rome.
Some times I think it was a long-term plan for these "catholic spinoffs" to rejoin the RCC just before or during the Tribulation.
I went 8 yrs st. rose of lima catholic grammar school. Most of my large family are still catholic.
They will tell you today that the practice of indulgences (giving money to the catholic church to lessen time in purgatory), is long over, but that is a lie. You still have to BUY mass cards and prayer candles. The more mass cards you BUY, the more masses are said in your loved ones name, which is suppose to lessen their time in purgatory. I'm telling you. This is a very evil institution.
A
atwhatcost
Guest
What about the family Bible? We had one growing up. Mostly to tell who was born and when, and if they ever got married, had kids, etc. But I used to read it when the weather was bad and I already read the borrowed bookss from the library. It caught me on the first page, but got kind of boring about Chapter 4. (I didn't care about the begats, particularly if the begottens didn't do anything. lol) It was definitely a good copy. No one used it and it was kept in a drawer so didn't get dusty and didn't get tobacco stains on it.
A
atwhatcost
Guest
A nickel to pay for the cost of burning the candle, plus seven Our Fathers, seven Hail Marys and seven Glory Bes got one person out of purgatory. And then they owed you, so they'd pray you out when you got there. Pray fast enough and you could get roughly four souls out for one small candle. Pool your nickel with a friend, and we could both use the same candle and get out eight IOUs after school. We were fast!
I seriously think part of the problem with the RCC is they don't teach doctrine even to priest and nuns, so they're free to teach kids and adults anything they want to teach them. Each church taught me a bunch of stuff the last church didn't teach.
A
atwhatcost
Guest
Actually, looks like you missed the troll too. Someone trolled your thread but was banned from CC quickly. (Thus my confusion too.)
P
pottersclay
Guest
Atwhatcost look at the begats from Adam to noah look up the meaning of the names I'm sure you won't find it boring.
Greetings Cretien,
To begin, the definition of Purgatory is as follows:
This is a false belief that was introduced by Roman Catholicism. According to Catholic dogma, Purgatory is a place where all saved Catholics go to be purged by fire of any sins that were not taken care of while the person was alive. This belief is in direct opposition to scripture which says that we are saved through faith in our Lord Jesus as the One who paid the penalty for sins once and for all.
According to scripture, for the person who continues in faith their sins are forgiven, past, present and future. Their is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus. On the other hand, Roman Catholicism believes that Christ's sacrifice covers original sin and all sin committed up to the time of baptism. Consequently, any sins committed after baptism must be purged through performing any of the seven sacraments, which would be salvation by works.
Regarding Purgatory, there is also a concession called "Indulgences" that allows people to pay money to have masses performed in order to shorten a loved one's length of time in Purgatory. Yet, none of the pope's, priest, cardinals or bishops has any idea how much time is removed. Needless to say, neither Purgatory nor indulgences are found in scripture.
Hope this helps
To begin, the definition of Purgatory is as follows:
This is a false belief that was introduced by Roman Catholicism. According to Catholic dogma, Purgatory is a place where all saved Catholics go to be purged by fire of any sins that were not taken care of while the person was alive. This belief is in direct opposition to scripture which says that we are saved through faith in our Lord Jesus as the One who paid the penalty for sins once and for all.
According to scripture, for the person who continues in faith their sins are forgiven, past, present and future. Their is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus. On the other hand, Roman Catholicism believes that Christ's sacrifice covers original sin and all sin committed up to the time of baptism. Consequently, any sins committed after baptism must be purged through performing any of the seven sacraments, which would be salvation by works.
Regarding Purgatory, there is also a concession called "Indulgences" that allows people to pay money to have masses performed in order to shorten a loved one's length of time in Purgatory. Yet, none of the pope's, priest, cardinals or bishops has any idea how much time is removed. Needless to say, neither Purgatory nor indulgences are found in scripture.
Hope this helps
Greetings Dcontroversal,
Actually, there is a place within the heart of the earth where the spirits of the unrighteous dead go, which in Hebrew is called Sheol and in the Greek is called Hades. This is the same place where the rich man of the rich man and Lazarus went to after he had died and was in torment in flame (Luke 16:19-31). We know that it is under the earth because Jesus identified it when he said, "And you, Capernaum, will you be lifted to the heavens? No, you will go down to Hades. For if the miracles that were performed in you had been performed in Sodom, it would have remained to this day."
I mention this only because many confuse Hades/Sheol with the lake of fire, which is a completely different place and is where everyone's whose names are not written the book of life will be thrown into. Hades/Sheol is a temporary place of punishment within the heart of the earth where those who are there will be resurrected out at the end of the thousand years (Rev.20:13). At that time, those who are resurrected out of Hades/Sheol will be judged at the great white throne and anyone's name that is not found written in the book of life will then be thrown into the lake of fire, which is the final punishment. However, once a person finds themselves in sheol/Hades, there is no getting out. They, like the rich man, will remain there until the great white throne judgment.
Actually, there is a place within the heart of the earth where the spirits of the unrighteous dead go, which in Hebrew is called Sheol and in the Greek is called Hades. This is the same place where the rich man of the rich man and Lazarus went to after he had died and was in torment in flame (Luke 16:19-31). We know that it is under the earth because Jesus identified it when he said, "And you, Capernaum, will you be lifted to the heavens? No, you will go down to Hades. For if the miracles that were performed in you had been performed in Sodom, it would have remained to this day."
I mention this only because many confuse Hades/Sheol with the lake of fire, which is a completely different place and is where everyone's whose names are not written the book of life will be thrown into. Hades/Sheol is a temporary place of punishment within the heart of the earth where those who are there will be resurrected out at the end of the thousand years (Rev.20:13). At that time, those who are resurrected out of Hades/Sheol will be judged at the great white throne and anyone's name that is not found written in the book of life will then be thrown into the lake of fire, which is the final punishment. However, once a person finds themselves in sheol/Hades, there is no getting out. They, like the rich man, will remain there until the great white throne judgment.
It isn't a place. It isn't where one goes for sins to be burned away. Its a state of purification. Even Protestants believe that we will be perfect after death. We just gave that transition a name, Purgatory.
Anything beyond that, calling it a place, saying how many hail mary's will help someone, so on and so forth is the addition of individuals who either don't consider the Dogma of the Church enough to explain a simple concept or were poorly taught themselves.
Anything beyond that, calling it a place, saying how many hail mary's will help someone, so on and so forth is the addition of individuals who either don't consider the Dogma of the Church enough to explain a simple concept or were poorly taught themselves.
I agree with this. From reading this thread, many are going with the propaganda and void of anything else. It seems to be a popular pass time here to down Catholics and then call yourselves Christians