The Great Deception and falling away!

3Scoreand10 · Aug 19, 2015

Yes, all who are saved have the same Lord and Savior. But it seem that you and others do not see Him as the all powerful and truthful Savior as I do. When He said ETERNAL LIFE, if He did not mean it, than He is not truthful. When He said NO MAN can take them from MY HAND, but I can CHOOSE to walk away or sin in such a way as to loose my salvation, that makes me stronger than He is and also means that he was untruthful.

I believe that my Savior is stronger than me. I believe He is truthful when He said ETERNAL LIFE.
He is so strong and truthful that He will not allow me to walk away or give my salvation back or lose my salvation.
By what you say, you can over ride Jesus and remove your self from His hand and void His gift of eternal life.
I am sorry that you do not have the trust and assurance that I have in a Lord and Savior who is all powerful and never is untruthful.

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Stephen63 · Aug 19, 2015

wattie said:

Matthew 7:13-14 (NASB) [SUP]13 [/SUP]"Enter through the narrow gate; for the gate is wide and the way is broad that leads to destruction, and there are many who enter through it. [SUP]14 [/SUP]"For the gate is small and the way is narrow that leads to life, and there are few who find it.

Matthew 7:13-14 (NRSV) [SUP]13 [/SUP]"Enter through the narrow gate; for the gate is wide and the road is easy that leads to destruction, and there are many who take it. [SUP]14 [/SUP]For the gate is narrow and the road is hard that leads to life, and there are few who find it.

Matthew 7:13-14 (NLT) [SUP]13 [/SUP]“You can enter God’s Kingdom only through the narrow gate. The highway to hell is broad, and its gate is wide for the many who choose that way. [SUP]14 [/SUP]But the gateway to life is very narrow and the road is difficult, and only a few ever find it.

I didn't say one way or the other of what you're looking for..... you merely assumed I did.

Stephen63 · Aug 19, 2015

dcontroversal said:

More assumptions..... Are you picking on the minority again? You have such distaste for the religious minority, don't you?

My quoted scripture can easily mean saved/unsaved as well as saved/backslidden. But I see you two have already made up yer minds & stand at the ready to do what you do.

I suggest you quit assuming, build a bridge, & get over it.

Yet · Aug 19, 2015

I hear the sound of crickets.

Yet · Aug 24, 2015

My point was not individual 'falling away' but Christendom as a whole marching in lock step into the one world religion, pope as head! True believers enmasse following as well.
Its happening. A remnant resists.

AceMichaels · Aug 24, 2015

Yet said:

I've been reading that not only are the multi million dollar preachers are masons planted by the illuminate, but many 'pastors' are Masonic plants as well. Anybody else picking up on this?
That would explain a lot of things as well. Why a poor person filled with the Spirit and sold out the whole route can't even get the time of day out of many 'pastors' let alone a chance to use their gift. 'Be filled, be warmed, be gone'!

Like the Boy Scouts of America being incrementally infiltrated by homosexual deviants over the course of many years, recently had the 79 percent okee dokee vote to welcome with warm arms and slobbering lips homosexuals and transsexuals as troop leaders for these little boys, (who would have seen that one coming?) the illuminate, as well, infiltrating
christen-dumb with masons maskuerading as 'pastors' and TV evangelists.
This would clearly explain all the satanic doctrine being vomited upon the body of Christ such as, 'we are gods', 'God wants you rich', 'we bow to Rome and Islam by association', 'we talk to the dead...Awesome Benny', 'Muslims worship the same God as us...Hillsong',
'Homosexuality ......no problem for some...Carlton Pierson, Carman's 'pastor' at one time', 'Jesus didn't come as Messiah...Hagee', 'Jesus didn't pay for sin on cross...He paid for it burning in hell'.etc., etc., etc., ad nauseum.
All for the purpose of leading the true believers into the one world religion! So as the world goes, so go the sheep!

A great apostasy(falling away), then the man of sin will be revealed. Things are being made real warm and welcoming for this devil to appear!

I wonder about some on this site? Watch me get the boot here. Titus 1:11, There are many.....deceivers ....whose mouths must be stopped, teaching things they ought not (for what? I can't imagine) for big money!

We are to expose them according to the word. Ephesians 5:11 ....and have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness but rather reprove(expose) them.

But watch, many here will deny His word!

Are you saying that you are the only correct one?

Yet · Aug 24, 2015

AceMichaels said:

If you don't know what I'm saying then there's no way I can tell you!

AceMichaels · Aug 24, 2015

Yet said:

ok, i think

KennethC · Aug 24, 2015

3Scoreand10 said:

Once again you are taking and placing the cart before the horse as the point that nothing can pull us out of the Lord's hands is when we physically receive salvation. Not the mental possession of it we have right now, as you and a few others want to take and eliminate a whole lot of the bible that gives warnings to believers.

I believe Jesus Christ is stronger then me to which is why He did not sin, we on the other hand can and do sin.

I also believe Him when He said ETERNAL LIFE, but in proper biblical context we physically receive the eternal life at the end of our faith not the beginning. What we have now immediately is a mental possession of it !!!

I do have trust and assurance in our Lord which is why I do not take away from His word.
When the Lord says we are to do something, we are to do it, and if He says those who don't do it will not see the kingdom of heaven. You can believe and trust they won't !!!

KenAllan · Aug 24, 2015

What needs to be said is we are entering into the End Times when God allows Satan a chance to rule the World.

Just look at whats going on in the World today. We just had the Supreme Court rule that Gay Marriage is legal. We have many Mega Churches spring up endorsing Gay Marriage. We have many Christian writers today denying the Truth in the Bible for the lies of men. We even have the Catholic Church declaring that Muslims are our Brothers in Christ!

The end is near, Satan will appear on the scene very soon. How soon? I hope its AFTER i die, not before because i really do not want to go through the Tribulation times to come. Read the Book of Revelation and see what God has in store for the World.

Stephen63 · Aug 24, 2015

Yet said:

I really don't think he will be "the" Antichrist. At the very most, he might qualify for the false prophet.

Since the catholic church was infiltrated long ago, it will be someone of that group instead. I personally believe whoever heads up the Illuminati will be this world leader, for he already runs most of it. Possibly the head of the Rothschild family. Who would be "higher" than him? That's my two cents worth.

convallaria · Aug 27, 2015

wattie said:

whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaatttttttttttttttttttttttttttttt

convallaria · Aug 27, 2015

wattie said:

How can you say that?

[SUP]Matt 7:
[/SUP] 13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

John 14: 6

Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

KennethC · Aug 27, 2015

convallaria said:

They say that because they want to change those scriptures from speaking on eternal life to physical life in the flesh, and the reason they do this is because the word eternal is not mentioned before the word life.

They use circular reasoning to change the context of the scripture, just like they do with Matthew 10:22 where they say the endure to the end will be saved is speaking only of out of persecutions and not eternal life.

But the original Apostles did not escape persecutions as they all faced them and even all of them where killed except for John who was exiled to Patmos.

convallaria · Aug 27, 2015

KennethC said:

I agree!

Acts 14:22 Confirming the souls of the disciples, and exhorting them to continue in the faith, and that we must through much tribulation enter into the kingdom of God.

That also is a very thin understanding they have of Matt 10:22. Obviously in the natural sense you would be saved if you endured: the two would be synonymous if we were talking about the body. I just can't understand how people can twist something that is plain and obvious. The flesh profits nothing: why would Jesus be speaking about the body and not about eternal things?

Thanks for explaining ... scary though...

dcontroversal · Aug 27, 2015

Stephen63 said:

More assumptions..... Are you picking on the minority again? You have such distaste for the religious minority, don't you?

My quoted scripture can easily mean saved/unsaved as well as saved/backslidden. But I see you two have already made up yer minds & stand at the ready to do what you do.

I suggest you quit assuming, build a bridge, & get over it.

More assumptions.....

convallaria · Aug 28, 2015

KenAllan said:

Hi Ken,

I hear what you are saying!

Yes it is going to get pretty bad but my feeling is that God is already assembling His elect to be equipped for the days ahead. I have spoken to many lately who are reporting that they are having a lot of dreams with spiritual content, and are being brought back from bad situations towards a heightened and strengthened function in the Lord once more...restoration I believe is a promise.

Of course, the devil is doing his best to interfere with the process (and we are not ignorant of his devices)... but the more we yield to God and walk in Him, the more the fear will subside.

We need forums like this to encourage each other to stir up our gifts and renew our hope in the One who is our ONLY Hope: JESUS

convallaria · Aug 28, 2015

Yet said:

hi Yet,

I remember learning about the antichrist spirit (as distinct from THE antichrist) a while back as being that which hates the Lord Jesus Christ, and also hates those who are His...we have seen it in the denominations and on these forums and anywhere the body of Christ ministers.

That hatred is fairly obvious and expected when it is directed at us as true believers but it is really troubling that people can be that way and think they are doing God a service. That is a vile process spoken of by Jesus also, (John 16:2) but subtly taking hold and gathering momentum in these last days, seemingly.

I know that I can speak a word of correction and have total peace about it, knowing that this is something the Lord will do in order to rescue His people from the devil's snare. But it seems to me that those who are going deeper into antichrist territory by actually walking in hatred and giving "words" of hatred ALSO have peace about it, thinking they do God a service, but it is not the peace that comes from God. It is more like delusion.

We know that to those who did not receive the love of the truth, God will send a strong delusion that they should believe a lie.

2 Thess 2
7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish;
because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

Once hatred has lodged in a person's heart, to me, it is the thin end of the wedge that would gather like a carbuncle in the Spirit-hating churches, to erupt fully in support of THE antichrist at the appointed time.

We know that God is LOVE amen, and actually we know when hatred, the opposite of love, is taking hold in us even at a low level. Speaking personally I have felt its assault upon me so I know both its presence and its danger.

The love of God is a big powerful thing, full of mercy and good fruits; the hatred of the antichrist is a subtle thing, working through appearances and deception with all falseness of doctrine to APPEAR to be love, when it is not.

I am thinking if anyone is even slightly wondering if they are to any extent delusional, now is a good time to cry out to God for deliverance from everything that would be delusion in their hearts and minds and beliefs. The Lord knows who are His. The devil does too. The latter is trying to take down everyone who is weak through the wolves who see those who are not able even to walk in the Spirit, when in these last days we would need to know how to RUN.

Blessings!

Yet · Sep 1, 2015

Some have said that the big wig TV evangelists may have a problem with a superiority complex and a not so small lust for money, and a few doctrinal errors/heresies, but over all they are reaching a lot of people for Christ. The jury is still debating that last part.

Did not Paul say 'if anyone brings you a different gospel, spirit, Jesus.....run! Run as fast as you can. Then expose the Devils.

Does not the word of God say that 'a little leaven, leavens the whole lump'? Lately, with the charlatans, they're are outta the closet with truck loads of leaven! In your face! Why? They know they have a massive chunk of the believers in their hip pocket..don't know how they get them in there with that pocket stuffed with cash!

My translation on the leaven which is not of a private nature: 'A little devil in the details will taint the whole message with the smell of smoke'!

Notwithstanding, God is saving souls not because of but inspite of 'churchianity' and the plethora of wolves that are at the helm of Christendom!

Only takes a smidgen of leaven. Out of all the members of Isis, it only takes one to enter the shopping center and blow it to smithereens!

Only two percent of rat poison is arsenic.

Just some passing thoughts.

Viligant_Warrior · Sep 1, 2015

Yet said:

Just like our "passing" gas, our passing thoughts are sometimes not worth much.

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