Who's teaching you?

[Yet]

1John 2:22 who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ(anointed One, the Truth) ? He is anti-christ, that denieth (renounces, repudiates) the Father and the Son. Teaches contrary to His word!

1John 2:23 whosoever denies (renounces, repudiates) the Son, the same has not the Father.

vs.26-27 these things have I written into you concerning them that seduce you (for fun and profit. False teachers/shepherds) .

But the anointing (indwelling Holy Spirit) which you have received of Him abides in you, and you need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teaches you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it has taught you, you shall abide in Him.

There are teachers within the framework of the body of Christ. Ephesians 4. BUT they are never to replace our own responsibility of study, and prayer. If anything, the teachers are to confirm what the Spirit has or is showing you.

Too much of the body of Christ has abdicated their responsibility. They have settled into the cushioned pew of complacency and sheer laziness, leaving themselves wide open to the pulpiteer's personal interpretations and twisted scriptures that do nothing for the folks but enriches the lifestyles and bank accounts of the wolves!

Anymore, many hirelings don't even bring up the true promises of God, because they simply are not working for the sheep.

'Better change the subject' quick! They're not working because of all the false teaching and false liturgies.

We were working on a film in the foyer of a AGC a while back. I started talking to this man about how Paul set the tone for the assembly of saints in the NT. I asked him did he know about these scriptures. With a blank stare, he said no!

After that it was like pulling teeth trying to share the word of God with this adult Christian man in this Assemblies of God hall of monologue!

I packed up my marbles and moved on. Death was in the air. Religious death. The pulpiteer was struggling to put forth dry pablum. The folks were nodding off doing their religious duty for God.

These dumb sheep were not getting the word of God and if they were getting the word of God from the anointing that abides within, they sure wouldn't be coming to this dead clam bake. I mean how can life and death co-exist?
How can light abide with darkness. How can idols replace God? How can evil fellowship with righteousness?

If it wasn't for football, there wouldn't be any kind of fellowship at all!

Christians are not seeking God as their prime Teacher. The proof is in these Sardis halls of oratory monologues!

They indeed have a name declaring that they are kicking some real tail for God, yet God declares them DEAD! Grab a shovel!

Who are you listening to? Who's teaching you? How easy for the one world religion to transpire!
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[shotgunner]

Do you go to a church service and submit to a pastor?

 

[AceMichaels]

I would have to say speak for yourself

 

[Yet]

I would have to say speak for yourself

Thats exactly what I'm saying. Hirelings speak for themselves.

 

[Yet]

Do you go to a church service and submit to a pastor?

The single paid pastor is not NT. the liturgy of the modern 'church' is not NT. I think you have my answer.

However, show me an assembly that is patterned after the NT, and I'll swim a river to be a part of it.

 

[shotgunner]

The single paid pastor is not NT. the liturgy of the modern 'church' is not NT. I think you have my answer.

However, show me an assembly that is patterned after the NT, and I'll swim a river to be a part of it.

Possibly you just haven't looked hard enough or asked God to lead you to the right congregation. Some of the greatest lessons God has ever taught me were through my submitting to be taught by imperfect men. God has allowed me, by this act, to see much of his own personality, showing me his mercy ,compassion, longsuffering, and love that he has for us, even when we are imperfect and incorrect. There is much to be gained in submitting to a pastor, sometimes even for the both of you.

 

[Yet]

Possibly you just haven't looked hard enough or asked God to lead you to the right congregation. Some of the greatest lessons God has ever taught me were through my submitting to be taught by imperfect men. God has allowed me, by this act, to see much of his own personality, showing me his mercy ,compassion, longsuffering, and love that he has for us, even when we are imperfect and incorrect. There is much to be gained in submitting to a pastor, sometimes even for the both of you.

Sure you can learn a lot of good stuff as a newbie but it's the bad stuff that'll eventually kill you.

But this submitting to a man deal is very dangerous. What if he's wrong? How does that help you?

Go ahead and submit, but when it finally places you in bondage, and it will, look me up.

 

[Magenta]

Too much of the body of Christ has abdicated their responsibility. They have settled into the cushioned pew of complacency and sheer laziness, leaving themselves wide open to the pulpiteer's personal interpretations and twisted scriptures that do nothing for the folks but enriches the lifestyles and bank accounts of the wolves!

Are you sure these people are in the body of Christ?

 

[atwhatcost]

1John 2:22 who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ(anointed One, the Truth) ? He is anti-christ, that denieth (renounces, repudiates) the Father and the Son. Teaches contrary to His word!

1John 2:23 whosoever denies (renounces, repudiates) the Son, the same has not the Father.

vs.26-27 these things have I written into you concerning them that seduce you (for fun and profit. False teachers/shepherds) .

But the anointing (indwelling Holy Spirit) which you have received of Him abides in you, and you need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teaches you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it has taught you, you shall abide in Him.

There are teachers within the framework of the body of Christ. Ephesians 4. BUT they are never to replace our own responsibility of study, and prayer. If anything, the teachers are to confirm what the Spirit has or is showing you.

Too much of the body of Christ has abdicated their responsibility. They have settled into the cushioned pew of complacency and sheer laziness, leaving themselves wide open to the pulpiteer's personal interpretations and twisted scriptures that do nothing for the folks but enriches the lifestyles and bank accounts of the wolves!

Anymore, many hirelings don't even bring up the true promises of God, because they simply are not working for the sheep.

'Better change the subject' quick! They're not working because of all the false teaching and false liturgies.

We were working on a film in the foyer of a AGC a while back. I started talking to this man about how Paul set the tone for the assembly of saints in the NT. I asked him did he know about these scriptures. With a blank stare, he said no!

After that it was like pulling teeth trying to share the word of God with this adult Christian man in this Assemblies of God hall of monologue!

I packed up my marbles and moved on. Death was in the air. Religious death. The pulpiteer was struggling to put forth dry pablum. The folks were nodding off doing their religious duty for God.

These dumb sheep were not getting the word of God and if they were getting the word of God from the anointing that abides within, they sure wouldn't be coming to this dead clam bake. I mean how can life and death co-exist?
How can light abide with darkness. How can idols replace God? How can evil fellowship with righteousness?

If it wasn't for football, there wouldn't be any kind of fellowship at all!

Christians are not seeking God as their prime Teacher. The proof is in these Sardis halls of oratory monologues!

They indeed have a name declaring that they are kicking some real tail for God, yet God declares them DEAD! Grab a shovel!

Who are you listening to? Who's teaching you? How easy for the one world religion to transpire!
.

[h=2]Who's teaching you?[/h]Not you, thankfully.

 

[shotgunner]

Sure you can learn a lot of good stuff as a newbie but it's the bad stuff that'll eventually kill you.

But this submitting to a man deal is very dangerous. What if he's wrong? How does that help you?

Go ahead and submit, but when it finally places you in bondage, and it will, look me up.

You don't understand. It's not about following someone down the wrong path. We are all responsible for the Word of God. You don't follow anyone into darkness, but there is wisdom in the multitude of counselors. We are to follow those who through faith and patience have inherited the promises. The Word of God is not for private interpretation. That's exactly what you are doing when you, full of pride, refuse to submit to anyone.

We are to all be members of the body of Christ. The eye cannot say he knows better than the ear. There is only one head of the body and that is Christ. Don't you remember Jesus washing the disciple's feet and explaining how the greatest would be servant to all. That is what submission is about!!!

It's about having the heart of a servant. That's the heart of Jesus, not this prideful thing that says, "I have no need to be taught anything, for I hear from God." Those verses about having no need for any man to teach us, speak of us being able to have a personal living relationship with our savior. No longer do we need to speak to God through a high priest, for Jesus himself is our high priest and mediator before God. They do not speak of arrogance where a man elevates himself to a place where he can no longer receive council from mere men.

 

[RussellJBenigno]

Your so right! The majority of the modern church is dead or dying. They are clueless about what they believe. Then there are the self righteousness crew who are nothing more than modern day Pharisees. False teaching is unchecked and causes misery. They say Jesus is their Savior, but reject anything He taught. No wonder evil is flourishing. So the question is:"What must be done to reverse this?".

 

[petester]

Why is it necessary to "follow" anybody? ...why can't you see that being a good person is beneficial to everyone, God gave us the virtue of individuality, so why not use it?

 

[petester]

God don't want this...look at what's happening now.....the end of the world. ...you know why? because we followed each other right into chaos.....

 

[petester]

I think that its a good thing that God is FINALLY making His presence known....DUDE MAN!!!!.....im down with God...how bout you?

 

[petester]

We shouldn't be taught to be ignorant and look to others for our salvation. ....we should take the salvation of our souls in hand...because when it comes time for judgement its done on a individual basis.

 

[convallaria]

You don't understand. It's not about following someone down the wrong path. We are all responsible for the Word of God. You don't follow anyone into darkness, but there is wisdom in the multitude of counselors. We are to follow those who through faith and patience have inherited the promises. The Word of God is not for private interpretation. That's exactly what you are doing when you, full of pride, refuse to submit to anyone.

We are to all be members of the body of Christ. The eye cannot say he knows better than the ear. There is only one head of the body and that is Christ. Don't you remember Jesus washing the disciple's feet and explaining how the greatest would be servant to all. That is what submission is about!!!

It's about having the heart of a servant. That's the heart of Jesus, not this prideful thing that says, "I have no need to be taught anything, for I hear from God." Those verses about having no need for any man to teach us, speak of us being able to have a personal living relationship with our savior. No longer do we need to speak to God through a high priest, for Jesus himself is our high priest and mediator before God. They do not speak of arrogance where a man elevates himself to a place where he can no longer receive council from mere men.

I agree on the danger of submitting to man. This is why people get annoyed about women of God speaking, because they think it is about gender. When someone is in Christ, and we are able to receive their ministry, we are submitting to Christ in them and we receive from the Lord as the Holy Spirit has moved them to speak and to otherwise minister.

Servanthood in the Lord is a different thing to submitting to any old Tom Dick or Harry who likes the sound of his own voice. Servanthood is not caring about ourselves, but about others; it is knowing by the Spirit of God what things a person has need of, and delivering it according to what the Spirit gives us to give. These things are very different to what things appear, which is why we need discernment.

You can't give what you do not have, and you can't teach someone who already "knows it all" lol. Some things are best left alone until we have clear direction on the nature of our input.

To serve someone acceptably is not to give them everything they ask, but what they need, bearing in mind the scripture which advises us not to cast our pearls before swine lest they turn and rend us.

All is simplified by considering that the body of Christ has one boundary: the Holy Spirit. Not denominations, not buildings, not branches of faith, not favourite gatherings or Sunday hobby clubs. The Holy Spirit is in every true believer who is born again.

I find it no trouble at all submitting to the Lord in a true believer, because it blesses me and adds to me and comforts me and challenges me to reach forward better to what God has for me. But I will never again submit to unspiritual men (or women) who have set up their own little empire in their own gatherings serving themselves of the flock, fleecing them and not feeding them.

Those who are truly born again and led by the Holy Spirit are the body of Christ. These are they with whom we gather, and enjoy real spiritual fellowship. In that body we are all servants one of another, according to the ministry and the resources we are given.

Outside that body they need to hear the Gospel, so that they can receive the Lord and be born again themselves.

The body of Christ is spiritual: a spiritual temple made without hands....of lively stones with Jesus Christ as the chief cornerstone and where God Almighty is pleased to dwell.

Nothing to do with denomination, or gender, or colour, or race, or nationality, or social standing, or intellect, or Bible scholarship, or qualifications or money in the bank account, or letters after the name..... or any other thing that man invents to divide us.

 

[just-me]

Possibly you just haven't looked hard enough or asked God to lead you to the right congregation. Some of the greatest lessons God has ever taught me were through my submitting to be taught by imperfect men. God has allowed me, by this act, to see much of his own personality, showing me his mercy ,compassion, longsuffering, and love that he has for us, even when we are imperfect and incorrect. There is much to be gained in submitting to a pastor, sometimes even for the both of you.

I was without a church home for months and I prayed for 2 months straight, asking God to direct me to a church of His choice. I finally started attending a Presbyterian church and the pastor preached good things. However the congregation didn't take it to heart, and it was more of a blessing to them to hear a testimony of how God blessed a person that caught a big fish during his vacation. I quit because of other things I noticed, but that was the lat straw, not because of the pastor, but because of the congregation. I wrote them my concerns, and I received no answer of concern which confirmed to me that they didn't care. This church is dead like most that I have attended IMO. Not because the preaching wasn't any good, but because of the attitude of complacency. A shepherd can lead to flock to good pasture, but if the flock isn't hungry, they won't eat.

"Woe to them that are at ease in Zion, and trust in the mountain of Samaria, which are named chief of the nations, to whom the house of Israel came!" (Amos 6:1)

 

[posthuman]

if the problem is that no one human can be trusted completely,

the solution isn't to not listen to what any person at all has to say.

 

[posthuman]

But the anointing (indwelling Holy Spirit) which you have received of Him abides in you, and you need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teaches you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it has taught you, you shall abide in Him.

& yet in that same letter, John teaches. he gives a command. he proclaims the Word of truth. so that those who read will not sin. so that they may be encouraged. so that their joy may be complete. so that they might have fellowship.

he says 'the anointing will teach you' -- but he doesn't refrain from teaching. he doesn't refrain from writing. he doesn't refrain from expounding. he doesn't say "please disregard my letters & don't accept letters from anyone"

what's with that, eh?
maybe hes not telling us to isolate ourselves from all preaching and teaching and congregation? that's not​ his point?

 

[oldthennew]

Post and Yet and many, many others whose words have blessed, enlightened, educated,
right here in this little box,
we thank you....

remember, no voice in insignificant to our Father and neither should they be to us.....