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Galahad

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Robin,

Is it true that the Greek language is more like a picture. That is, when Greeks say "I'm going to a party" they are like telling a story or painting a picture in the mind of the listener. That's how it was explained to me one time.

But then I thought: English has idioms. "It's raining cats and dogs." Now that's a picture story. It is to me.
 
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robinriley

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(Robin)
Okay ... you had me worried there, for a moment ... be very careful in that arena of judgment calls;
I once knew a girl, her name was Prudence, and she was a very bad Prudence, but she knew that God
loved her, nevertherless, and that Christ had died for all of her sins; she knew this, only because God
had graced her with the gift of trusting Him. She was still a very bad girl, a bad Prudence, nevertheless.

So what the heck is "normalization?"
And you most likely we not find anyone else as adverse to "legalese" as I am ... but then, you must have
a different definition of this then I do?
 
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robinriley said:
(Robin)
It's a good translation, but I prefer one even more literal, the Dabhar Translation, called The Writ, then of course, there's Young's, and another I've only recently been using - ALT or the Analytical-Literal Translation. Also, a good old standby, the Rotherham; and then another rather helpful one, I've recently started to consult, is Jonathan Mitchell's "expanded, amplified, multiple renderings ...The New Testament" (which is a mouthfull of a title, dont you think!).

And as long as we're passing along helpful study tools, I always recommend John Hurts Parallel Greek NT < Greek New Testament - Parallel Greek New Testament by John Hurt >, as well as the excellant alternate text source readings of the LaParola < La Sacra Bibbia in italiano online >, and another good old standby < Blue Letter Bible >

(Crossnote)
Most of the OP is duplicate work ...

(Robin)
Duplicate work ... Ummm, I wouldn't know about that, but I will take it as an unintended compliment.

I suppose that could be said about any "work" or scriptural reading, that someone attempts after Paul originally put pen to paper (sheepskin, or whatever medium he happened to use at the time) ... but then, you were just being snide, again, right?. Spreading seeds of dissension; playing at the Adversary game of accusation and hurt ...

You never did (and you most likely never will) answer my other question of you ...
Q: To what real purpose do you participate, here, on this site?

It's most obvious to all of us, that it is not to be helpful; i
is it only to prune and plume your feathers, and to strut about like a proud cock peacock ..."Look at ME. Look at ME" ...
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Curiosity had brought me here. I asked a few questions like "How much formal Greek study have you done", because all I see is a layman taking from other sources. No crime against that...but then again, there was no crime of me asking :)
 
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Galahad

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robinriley said:
(Robin)
Okay ... you had me worried there, for a moment ... be very careful in that arena of judgment calls;
I once knew a girl, her name was Prudence, and she was a very bad Prudence, but she knew that God
loved her, nevertherless, and that Christ had died for all of her sins; she knew this, only because God
had graced her with the gift of trusting Him. She was still a very bad girl, a bad Prudence, nevertheless.

So what the heck is "normalization?"
And you most likely we not find anyone else as adverse to "legalese" as I am ... but then, you must have
a different definition of this then I do?
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Thank you for responding.

I like the judgment arena. I do. Robin, judgments are made everyday. That's not a judgment. It's a fact.

Don't end talking with me just because of bad prudence. Visit the judgment arena. It's not so bad. Bad Prudence told me so!

Normalization is legalese. It's the practice of taking a normal word and nominalizationing it.

Is the word "roof" put for "over"? I like that. I really do.
Is it similar to "It's raining cats and dogs"?

What think ye of little dogs that eat crumbs that fall from the table? Just curious.
 
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Galahad

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Hello notecross!
 
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Galahad said:
Robin,

Is it true that the Greek language is more like a picture. That is, when Greeks say "I'm going to a party" they are like telling a story or painting a picture in the mind of the listener. That's how it was explained to me one time.

But then I thought: English has idioms. "It's raining cats and dogs." Now that's a picture story. It is to me.
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Galahad said:
Hello notecross!
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I believe that is Hebrew that is filled with word pictures.
Ever wonder why the OT is full of stories, prophetic imagery and poetry and yet has no doctrinal book like Romans?
 
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Galahad

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Honestly, no. I have not ever thought so. I haven't. Kinda interesting. It is. The closest to Romans in OT would probably be Leviticus, but that book is not a letter addressing a doctrine. Rather, a book more of do's and don'ts for the ceremonial works of priests and purity laws for the people.

39 books OT, 27 books NT.

The gospels and the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus Christ is the determining factor for the difference. I believe so.

Man, crossnote, thanks for pointing that out. Really. Never thought about it before. That's good.

Are you convinced that Ole Robin was a layman with copy and paste tactics?

And why do you use a concordant? Are those accurate in the translation? I don't think they are paraphrases, but more of an exact literal translation.
 
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Galahad said:
Honestly, no. I have not ever thought so. I haven't. Kinda interesting. It is. The closest to Romans in OT would probably be Leviticus, but that book is not a letter addressing a doctrine. Rather, a book more of do's and don'ts for the ceremonial works of priests and purity laws for the people.

39 books OT, 27 books NT.

The gospels and the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus Christ is the determining factor for the difference. I believe so.

Man, crossnote, thanks for pointing that out. Really. Never thought about it before. That's good.

Are you convinced that Ole Robin was a layman with copy and paste tactics?

And why do you use a concordant? Are those accurate in the translation? I don't think they are paraphrases, but more of an exact literal translation.
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I'm not going to further size up Robin, nothing heretical I see.
Ive used a Concordant and YLT...fun, but after a while kinda impractical. I do like the Expanded Bible though.
I find the best for word comparison is to read several bibles in parallel and/or several Greek/Hebrew lexicons, comparing.
Usually though they give pretty much similar renditions and definitions.
 
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robinriley

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crossnote said:
I'm not going to further size up Robin, nothing heretical I see.
Ive used a Concordant and YLT...fun, but after a while kinda impractical. I do like the Expanded Bible though.
I find the best for word comparison is to read several bibles in parallel and/or several Greek/Hebrew lexicons, comparing.
Usually though they give pretty much similar renditions and definitions.
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(Robin)
Ahhhhh ... Hello! there Crossnote; Who was that other fellow...the "dismissive" one?

So like Galahad, I don't "see" what you see in the Hebrew scriptures ... I may, someday, be blessed with that,
but it's not an arena I'm much interested in anymore. That said, I do enjoy the mechaniich of their parallel poetry,
but I can find that exhibited in our apostle Paul, so I've no longer, any "thirst" for the Hebrew word ... it aint aimed at me.

But speaking of "picturing" scripture ... picturing any written word, for that matter, that's how my mind works. I've a bit of a
problem with dyslexia, but after more than two generations of dealing with this ... "blessing" ... I've come to deal with it (on a personnal basis, not a very acceptable public one). That is, I "see" the printed word in pictures .... it's an ongoing projected screen play on against the backdrop, the back of my mind, of a dilapidated old theater off St Giles High Street in London. I "think," in other words, in pictures. Hence, my dear "fellow" ... my brethren in Christ ... God "blessed" me with a thorn in the side, which I would, now, never have second-guessed Him about having.

Galahad asks about idiom ... cats and dogs ... I can, actually "see" such a thing ... I'm doomed, right!
But, for instance, I just listened to the overture of Rossini's "The Thieving Magpie," and I tell you this,
I can actually "see" what the music is saying. But back to scripture, the H'ebrew ... and NT scriptures
other than Paul "escape" me. But Paul ... he speacks to me, I actually, spiritually, "SEE" what he is saying.

Galahad mentions "cats and dogs" ... I "SEE" love roofing over other believers unintended and intended offenses ...
I actuall "See" love working, diligently, as a lowly carpenter, to "roof [over]" the hurts, that other dullard believers
arrow our way ... I'm dyslectic, but it's a "grace" that I would not have any other way ... Thank you God!
 
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robinriley said:
(Robin)
Ahhhhh ... Hello! there Crossnote; Who was that other fellow...the "dismissive" one?

So like Galahad, I don't "see" what you see in the Hebrew scriptures ... I may, someday, be blessed with that,
but it's not an arena I'm much interested in anymore. That said, I do enjoy the mechaniich of their parallel poetry,
but I can find that exhibited in our apostle Paul, so I've no longer, any "thirst" for the Hebrew word ... it aint aimed at me.

But speaking of "picturing" scripture ... picturing any written word, for that matter, that's how my mind works. I've a bit of a
problem with dyslexia, but after more than two generations of dealing with this ... "blessing" ... I've come to deal with it (on a personnal basis, not a very acceptable public one). That is, I "see" the printed word in pictures .... it's an ongoing projected screen play on against the backdrop, the back of my mind, of a dilapidated old theater off St Giles High Street in London. I "think," in other words, in pictures. Hence, my dear "fellow" ... my brethren in Christ ... God "blessed" me with a thorn in the side, which I would, now, never have second-guessed Him about having.

Galahad asks about idiom ... cats and dogs ... I can, actually "see" such a thing ... I'm doomed, right!
But, for instance, I just listened to the overture of Rossini's "The Thieving Magpie," and I tell you this,
I can actually "see" what the music is saying. But back to scripture, the H'ebrew ... and NT scriptures
other than Paul "escape" me. But Paul ... he speacks to me, I actually, spiritually, "SEE" what he is saying.

Galahad mentions "cats and dogs" ... I "SEE" love roofing over other believers unintended and intended offenses ...
I actuall "See" love working, diligently, as a lowly carpenter, to "roof [over]" the hurts, that other dullard believers
arrow our way ... I'm dyslectic, but it's a "grace" that I would not have any other way ... Thank you God!
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My wife sees what she reads in pictures as well and can tell you what exactly a person wore last year in Church...the curse of a left hander.
You probably don't see what I see in the Hebrew Scriptures because you see the same picture words when reading the NT...no difference. :)
 
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robinriley said:
(Robin)
You two ... am I now suppose to get mad, so you can feel even more superior ...
So tell, just why do you two come here, to this site ... is it just to prune and prime your feathers?
You're certainly NOT here to help ... God graced you with your gift of knowledge, but hold it tight,
dont share, eat a good hearty meal, before comeing to our poor fare to eat even more .. reminds
me of something Paul says to the Corinthians ... the not so mature ones.

(West)
This is his uncle's teaching, this is Worcester,
Malevolent to you in all aspects; Which makes him prune himself, and bristle up ...

(Johnson)
To prune and to plume,
the metaphor is taken from a cock, who in his pride prunes himself;
that is, picks off the loose feathers to smooth the rest.
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I'm feeling a sudden urge to grab a turkey by the neck & pluck out all its tail feathers....... then plant a boot where the feathers were..... following it round 'n round in a circle..... knowhutImean?:p
 
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Stephen63 said:
I'm feeling a sudden urge to grab a turkey by the neck & pluck out all its tail feathers....... then plant a boot where the feathers were..... following it round 'n round in a circle..... knowhutImean?:p
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Got your boot ready?

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Galahad

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robinriley said:
(Robin)
Ahhhhh ... Hello! there Crossnote; Who was that other fellow...the "dismissive" one?

So like Galahad, I don't "see" what you see in the Hebrew scriptures ... I may, someday, be blessed with that,
but it's not an arena I'm much interested in anymore. That said, I do enjoy the mechaniich of their parallel poetry,
but I can find that exhibited in our apostle Paul, so I've no longer, any "thirst" for the Hebrew word ... it aint aimed at me.

But speaking of "picturing" scripture ... picturing any written word, for that matter, that's how my mind works. I've a bit of a
problem with dyslexia, but after more than two generations of dealing with this ... "blessing" ... I've come to deal with it (on a personnal basis, not a very acceptable public one). That is, I "see" the printed word in pictures .... it's an ongoing projected screen play on against the backdrop, the back of my mind, of a dilapidated old theater off St Giles High Street in London. I "think," in other words, in pictures. Hence, my dear "fellow" ... my brethren in Christ ... God "blessed" me with a thorn in the side, which I would, now, never have second-guessed Him about having.

Galahad asks about idiom ... cats and dogs ... I can, actually "see" such a thing ... I'm doomed, right!
But, for instance, I just listened to the overture of Rossini's "The Thieving Magpie," and I tell you this,
I can actually "see" what the music is saying. But back to scripture, the H'ebrew ... and NT scriptures
other than Paul "escape" me. But Paul ... he speacks to me, I actually, spiritually, "SEE" what he is saying.

Galahad mentions "cats and dogs" ... I "SEE" love roofing over other believers unintended and intended offenses ...
I actuall "See" love working, diligently, as a lowly carpenter, to "roof [over]" the hurts, that other dullard believers
arrow our way ... I'm dyslectic, but it's a "grace" that I would not have any other way ... Thank you God!
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Wow! One of the best (how do you see that? I mean you can see 1, best? Perhaps a first prize ribbon, how about prime rib, or a gold medal), or perhaps a constructive (see construction, rebar, concrete) method (see a maze?) for learning (see a brain?) is (state of being, perhaps in Delaware) to (looking for a verb) draw (chalk pencil) pictures.

It's a method I used in college for homework (see the home working?). Now (10:32am) I (you don't want to picture me.) automatically (robot?) see lots of pictures in what I read.

Waiting for your images.
 
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