The Great Deception and falling away!

[BarlyGurl]

>>>>Like I said before if one takes the every word scripture to mean you still have to obey the physical written ordinances of the Mosaic laws then they are in the wrong understanding.<<<<

YOU are the only one saying this... you are arguing against your own presumption... YOU have been told over and over this very same thing... But YOU keep on fighting the same argument that YOU have conceived against it.

 

[just-me]

I have always stood on the every word precept, it just depends on how one applies it............

Apply it all in spirit and don't address anything by it's outward physical appearance. Of course there will be some things that look bad and are bad. Hypocrisy if harder to detect and smell. LOL

Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment. John 7:24

 

[KennethC]

>>>>Like I said before if one takes the every word scripture to mean you still have to obey the physical written ordinances of the Mosaic laws then they are in the wrong understanding.<<<<

YOU are the only one saying this... you are arguing against your own presumption... YOU have been told over and over this very same thing... But YOU keep on fighting the same argument that YOU have conceived against it.

Then why is that every time I say, "we do not have to obey the written ordinances of the Mosaic laws."

One of you few try to debate against me for saying that ???

 

[Moab]

I've been reading that not only are the multi million dollar preachers are masons planted by the illuminate, but many 'pastors' are Masonic plants as well. Anybody else picking up on this?
That would explain a lot of things as well. Why a poor person filled with the Spirit and sold out the whole route can't even get the time of day out of many 'pastors' let alone a chance to use their gift. 'Be filled, be warmed, be gone'!

Like the Boy Scouts of America being incrementally infiltrated by homosexual deviants over the course of many years, recently had the 79 percent okee dokee vote to welcome with warm arms and slobbering lips homosexuals and transsexuals as troop leaders for these little boys, (who would have seen that one coming?) the illuminate, as well, infiltrating
christen-dumb with masons maskuerading as 'pastors' and TV evangelists.
This would clearly explain all the satanic doctrine being vomited upon the body of Christ such as, 'we are gods', 'God wants you rich', 'we bow to Rome and Islam by association', 'we talk to the dead...Awesome Benny', 'Muslims worship the same God as us...Hillsong',
'Homosexuality ......no problem for some...Carlton Pierson, Carman's 'pastor' at one time', 'Jesus didn't come as Messiah...Hagee', 'Jesus didn't pay for sin on cross...He paid for it burning in hell'.etc., etc., etc., ad nauseum.
All for the purpose of leading the true believers into the one world religion! So as the world goes, so go the sheep!

A great apostasy(falling away), then the man of sin will be revealed. Things are being made real warm and welcoming for this devil to appear!

I wonder about some on this site? Watch me get the boot here. Titus 1:11, There are many.....deceivers ....whose mouths must be stopped, teaching things they ought not (for what? I can't imagine) for big money!

We are to expose them according to the word. Ephesians 5:11 ....and have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness but rather reprove(expose) them.

But watch, many here will deny His word!

I have not read the replies to this and it may be redundant, but you are correct in that Satan does rule a great many things here on earth. The four hidden dynasties are : religion, economics, social, and geographic. Satan has pushed his way into religion, in particular Christianity, for he knows that is where the sheep abide. Everything must be dumbed down to its lowest common denominator to achieve a world religion, where all religions are the same and all gods are equal. In doing so, we must all not only accept and tolerate, but actually endorse deviant behavior and if we do not, we are punished by law until we submit. Simply ask the bakers and photographers who have been put out of business because they chose not to partake of activities they viewed as differing from their beliefs, as to not participating in homosexual wedding festivities. What part of abomination do people not get? Satan is setting the stage for his appearance as anti-Christ (anti being the greek word for "Instead of, in place of, substitute, impostor). We are in the end times ladies and gentlemen, and you are seeing prophecy come to pass on a daily basis. May God , the Father, have mercy on us all. Amen.

 

[Mitspa]

So in other words you do just the the Catholic's do, you place what your leaders say above the written word of God ???

Yes we do have to pay attention to what the OT prophecies say because some of them are on the end times, such as the last couple chapters of Daniel.

You can not understand who to look for without taking all the prophecies together for understanding, as Revelation helps to unlock Daniel and vise versa. As well does Isaiah, Jeremiah, and Ezekiel have to be read and taken in.

What? ...you logic is so illogical ...we don't have to guess at what some prophecy in Daniel means...we have clear and evident proof that the RCC is the very fulfillment of the warnings of the New Testament that was addressed as the topic of this thread. They are clearly the false church and there rise was clearly the falling away that Paul spoke of...its evident what they are and no need to go looking into the book of Daniel to try to give them cover.

 

[mpaper345]

If these preachers are teaching things that are really out there,whacked out interpretations,that even someone that is not led of the Spirit but taking the word of God at what it says,do not come to those whacked out interpretations,but have more sense about it than these preachers,than what is going on,are they deceiving on purpose,telling false interpretations knowing what they really say,deceived to where they cannot see the truth,going along with the belief that all religions have a core truth,on purpose causing confusion among the religion Christianity so people throw their hands up and say,forget it.

We know this must be,people not preaching rightly,confusion among people claiming Christianity,hypocrisy,because the devil wants to cause fundamental Christianity to cease being fundamental,for it will not be included in the one world religious system,but an occult interpretation of the Bible will be the main theme of the one world religious system.

So are these preachers deceived to give false interpretations and think they are doing it right,or are they doing it on purpose so that people will eventually view Christianity as just another religion like all religions,which fits the plan of the one world religious system.

When it comes to telling end time events,I will go by what the Bible says,and will not mention groups that are hidden to the general public,lest they call me a conspiracy theorist,but I will name groups that say by mouth,or on an official website,of what they are about so it cannot be denied,which we have enough proof in the open by groups that fits prophecy,and end time events,of what they are claiming they believe and what they are striving for,which the New Age movement is waiting for the New Age Christ to appear,in which Alice Bailey wrote books outlining the destination of the nations,and the appearing of the New Age Christ,and what the nations must do to cause his appearance,which God warns us in 1 Timothy 4 that this would occur in the latter times,in which people eventually will not want to hear the Bible according to fundamental Christianity,but according to their own lusts,that occult interpretation that claims the nature,God,that God is in all of creation,and the divine is in mankind which will conceive in them,when the New Age Christ appears.Read Alice Bailey's books and you will see what is going on with end time prophecy,which all her books are on the Lucis Trust website,although she was dead when the website came out,but she founded the publishing company,in which it will be the new age movement that will cause the beast kingdom to come about,for it exalts people and diminishes God,and her books tell all about how to achieve that world,which she is the biggest prophet of that movement.

 

[KennethC]

What? ...you logic is so illogical ...we don't have to guess at what some prophecy in Daniel means...we have clear and evident proof that the RCC is the very fulfillment of the warnings of the New Testament that was addressed as the topic of this thread. They are clearly the false church and there rise was clearly the falling away that Paul spoke of...its evident what they are and no need to go looking into the book of Daniel to try to give them cover.

Where are the 7 churches in Revelation located at ???

Where does the Euphrates and Tigris rivers start ???

Where does Revelation say satan's seat is at ???

In what direction is Turkey compared to Israel ??? ***king of the north***

What direction is Rome ???? West so king of the north does not fit for them.

 

[Mitspa]

Where are the 7 churches in Revelation located at ???

Where does the Euphrates and Tigris rivers start ???

Where does Revelation say satan's seat is at ???

In what direction is Turkey compared to Israel ??? ***king of the north***

What direction is Rome ???? West so king of the north does not fit for them.

Look Kenneth ...we already know what Rome has done and the wickedness and false doctrine they have taught...we know the Christians they have killed and children they have raped...we don't have to try to figure out some mystery to see the seat of satan...we know them by their fruits and the very history of the faith shows us in clear and evident terms that these guys are the falling away and the pope is without doubt...the man of sin its clear from their own actions. not by some debatable prophecy.

 

[just-me]

Look Kenneth ...we already know what Rome has done and the wickedness and false doctrine they have taught...we know the Christians they have killed and children they have raped...we don't have to try to figure out some mystery to see the seat of satan...we know them by their fruits and the very history of the faith shows us in clear and evident terms that these guys are the falling away and the pope is without doubt...the man of sin its clear from their own actions. not by some debatable prophecy.

The seven churches of Asia are current, right hear, right now, as much alive as they were then.

Revelation 2:12-16
[SUP]12 [/SUP]And to the angel of the church in Pergamos write; These things saith he which hath the sharp sword with two edges;
[SUP]13[/SUP]I know thy works, and where thou dwellest, even where Satan's seat is: and thou holdest fast my name, and hast not denied my faith, even in those days wherein Antipas was my faithful martyr, who was slain among you, where Satan dwelleth.
[SUP]14 [/SUP]But I have a few things against thee, because thou hast there them that hold the doctrine of Balaam, who taught Balac to cast a stumblingblock before the children of Israel, to eat things sacrificed unto idols, and to commit fornication.
[SUP]15 [/SUP]So hast thou also them that hold the doctrine of the Nicolaitanes, which thing I hate.
[SUP]16 [/SUP]Repent; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will fight against them with the sword of my mouth.

Many RCC doctrines have been accepted by protestants.

 

[Mitspa]

The seven churches of Asia are current, right hear, right now, as much alive as they were then.

Revelation 2:12-16
[SUP]12 [/SUP]And to the angel of the church in Pergamos write; These things saith he which hath the sharp sword with two edges;
[SUP]13[/SUP]I know thy works, and where thou dwellest, even where Satan's seat is: and thou holdest fast my name, and hast not denied my faith, even in those days wherein Antipas was my faithful martyr, who was slain among you, where Satan dwelleth.
[SUP]14 [/SUP]But I have a few things against thee, because thou hast there them that hold the doctrine of Balaam, who taught Balac to cast a stumblingblock before the children of Israel, to eat things sacrificed unto idols, and to commit fornication.
[SUP]15 [/SUP]So hast thou also them that hold the doctrine of the Nicolaitanes, which thing I hate.
[SUP]16 [/SUP]Repent; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will fight against them with the sword of my mouth.

Many RCC doctrines have been accepted by protestants.

Of course and only Kenneth seems to be so confused about this issue?

 

[KennethC]

Look Kenneth ...we already know what Rome has done and the wickedness and false doctrine they have taught...we know the Christians they have killed and children they have raped...we don't have to try to figure out some mystery to see the seat of satan...we know them by their fruits and the very history of the faith shows us in clear and evident terms that these guys are the falling away and the pope is without doubt...the man of sin its clear from their own actions. not by some debatable prophecy.

If you are going to blame the RCC for killing Christians in the past, then I think you need to do a history on your own Protestant church because they are guilty of killing innocent people to.

You have heard of the 30 years war have't you ???

 

[KennethC]

Of course and only Kenneth seems to be so confused about this issue?

I am not confused about that and if you read what he said he was not siding with you by those comments, as he was saying the RCC doctrines that the Protestant churches fight against they still accept many of them.

Trying to place the Pope as the antichrist is what started the 30 years war, and lead to innocent killing on both sides.

 

[Yet]

Humbard
Dobson
Cerullo
Bakker
Bauer
Graham
Kennedy
Robertson
Robinson
Crouch
Reed
Bright
Roberts
Warren
Lindsey
Lahaye and wife Beverly
Full Gospel Businessmen
Promise Keepers
and the list of top dog teachers goes on and on.

They have all signed onto the One World Government/Religion...the New World Oder.

And they solicit 'hirelings' under them in the local 'churches' to jump on board.

Rev.Moon is the man behind the curtain. Dead now. Claimed Jesus failed, now he is the messiah. Out of Korea garnered millions of dollars and started front 'christian' organizations all for the implementation of a one world religion/government. These ministers, so called, have received some big cash from Moon!
To pervert the gospel and twist the scripture. To put forth 'another gospel' to dumb down the 'church' and lead the sheep blindfolded by the TV wolves and pulpit hirelings into the new order. Not all ministers are following. Tons are! Follow the filthy lucre trail. What have I been saying about the Babylonian/Sardis/Laodecian 'church'? Thank God some are drawing a line somewhere!
Antichrist next in line.

see: Deceptionfree.com Wake up! I love you all! The truth can only do one thing for anybody....it will 'set you free'!

 

[Yet]

My prayer is that all of His would become 'watchmen on the wall'. Ten Christians took their rest. 5 had their wicks trimmed and lamps full of oil. 5 did not. Couldn't care less. From this verse it would seem many believers are going to following the pied pipers of heresy straight to the throne of the Beast and the whore!

I beg the readers of this be not found with that sleepy crowd!

Im not getting any responses on this latest installment and I hope it's because you guys are researching this thoroughly. If only ten percent is true, much of the Ekklesia is in a world of hurt.

Rod Serling would say ' there's a sign post up ahead, you are entering the Twilight Zone.' I'm saying we're already there.

Truth is stranger than fiction!

 

[BarlyGurl]

My prayer is that all of His would become 'watchmen on the wall'. Ten Christians took their rest. 5 had their wicks trimmed and lamps full of oil. 5 did not. Couldn't care less. From this verse it would seem many believers are going to following the pied pipers of heresy straight to the throne of the Beast and the whore!

I beg the readers of this be not found with that sleepy crowd!

Im not getting any responses on this latest installment and I hope it's because you guys are researching this thoroughly. If only ten percent is true, much of the Ekklesia is in a world of hurt.

Rod Serling would say ' there's a sign post up ahead, you are entering the Twilight Zone.' I'm saying we're already there.

Truth is stranger than fiction!

Probably better work on your "scripture interprets scripture" reading for the proper context of the"10 virgins"... or maybe you were making up your OWN parable?

 

[Jackson123]

Humbard
Dobson
Cerullo
Bakker
Bauer
Graham
Kennedy
Robertson
Robinson
Crouch
Reed
Bright
Roberts
Warren
Lindsey
Lahaye and wife Beverly
Full Gospel Businessmen
Promise Keepers
and the list of top dog teachers goes on and on.

They have all signed onto the One World Government/Religion...the New World Oder.

And they solicit 'hirelings' under them in the local 'churches' to jump on board.

Rev.Moon is the man behind the curtain. Dead now. Claimed Jesus failed, now he is the messiah. Out of Korea garnered millions of dollars and started front 'christian' organizations all for the implementation of a one world religion/government. These ministers, so called, have received some big cash from Moon!
To pervert the gospel and twist the scripture. To put forth 'another gospel' to dumb down the 'church' and lead the sheep blindfolded by the TV wolves and pulpit hirelings into the new order. Not all ministers are following. Tons are! Follow the filthy lucre trail. What have I been saying about the Babylonian/Sardis/Laodecian 'church'? Thank God some are drawing a line somewhere!
Antichrist next in line.

see: Deceptionfree.com Wake up! I love you all! The truth can only do one thing for anybody....it will 'set you free'!

can you give us a link ?

 

[Yet]

1Tim. 4:11 Now the Spirit speaks expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of Devils.

2Tim. 3:1-7 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. For men shall be lovers of there own selves...money lovers....unthankful......without natural affection....having a form of godliness but denying the power there of...ever learning but unable to come to the knowledge of the truth....

Ch.4:3-4 For the time will come that they will not endure sound doctrine, but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers having itching ears ...and they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.
Vs.13 But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving and being deceived.

1Cor. If any man defile(mislead) the temple( the ekklesia) of God, him shall God destroy(same gr. word: mislead) .

2Tim. 1:15 this thou knowest, that all they which are in Asia be turned away from me...

Alexander the coppersmith stood against Paul. He greatly resisted Paul's words.

2Tim 4:16 At my first answer, no man stood with me, but all men forsook me.

News flash Paul: it's actually changed. It's gotten worse.

I remember when I was working at Western Electric. I had just gotten saved.
Me and 2 other brothers, who were my elders, were walking back from cafeteria. We had to pass this gang of jerks on both side of the isle. The leader of the pack led the chorus 'Bringing in the Sheaves' mocking us.
I stopped and confronted him with 'You gotta question?' A demon spirit hit this guy and he turned red and went into a tirade
of unrepeatable words against me. I remained calm. I looked over my shoulder and my two Holy Spirit filled buds were no where to be found.
Dey was outta dere Jack!
Neither one stood with me. I told this guy that if he ever gets desperate he knows where to find me.
I know I'll be slammed for that testimony. Corrected and rebuked. My backs big enough.

I can hear it now 'Yet, you know what your problem is.......? ' I still love you enough to keep on teaching the true word of God and 'NO' to your question 'you think your the only one that knows the word of God!' Many do. Just wish all did!

And to your predictable query 'Oh, you think you got it all figured out huh?' Answer: Nope....but a bunch. I'm still studying. Why don't you join me?

 

[DiscipleDave]

I've been reading that not only are the multi million dollar preachers are masons planted by the illuminate, but many 'pastors' are Masonic plants as well. Anybody else picking up on this?
That would explain a lot of things as well. Why a poor person filled with the Spirit and sold out the whole route can't even get the time of day out of many 'pastors' let alone a chance to use their gift. 'Be filled, be warmed, be gone'!

Like the Boy Scouts of America being incrementally infiltrated by homosexual deviants over the course of many years, recently had the 79 percent okee dokee vote to welcome with warm arms and slobbering lips homosexuals and transsexuals as troop leaders for these little boys, (who would have seen that one coming?) the illuminate, as well, infiltrating
christen-dumb with masons maskuerading as 'pastors' and TV evangelists.
This would clearly explain all the satanic doctrine being vomited upon the body of Christ such as, 'we are gods', 'God wants you rich', 'we bow to Rome and Islam by association', 'we talk to the dead...Awesome Benny', 'Muslims worship the same God as us...Hillsong',
'Homosexuality ......no problem for some...Carlton Pierson, Carman's 'pastor' at one time', 'Jesus didn't come as Messiah...Hagee', 'Jesus didn't pay for sin on cross...He paid for it burning in hell'.etc., etc., etc., ad nauseum.
All for the purpose of leading the true believers into the one world religion! So as the world goes, so go the sheep!

A great apostasy(falling away), then the man of sin will be revealed. Things are being made real warm and welcoming for this devil to appear!

I wonder about some on this site? Watch me get the boot here. Titus 1:11, There are many.....deceivers ....whose mouths must be stopped, teaching things they ought not (for what? I can't imagine) for big money!

We are to expose them according to the word. Ephesians 5:11 ....and have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness but rather reprove(expose) them.

But watch, many here will deny His word!

The Falling Away happens when the Great Tribulation Period begins and Jesus Christ did NOT come as most people who believe in pre-tribulation, which none of Scriptures teaches, but only men from the last days generation teach that. Many false prophets will be present in the last days says the Word? Well, where are they? They are behind the pulpits teaching false doctrines like Pre-trib, when Scriptures does NOT teach that at all, only the last days generation teaches that. So when the Great Tribulation does happen, and Jesus did not come as they thought He should have, and they hear a man on TV saying to every nation, to every religion in the World "WHERE IS YOUR GOD NOW?" Many, and i say MANY, will fall away from the Faith, and not only the Christian Faith, but ALL FAITHS will fall away from even believing a God even exists. That is the Falling away that the Bible is referring to.

^i^ responding to OP

 

[dcontroversal]

The Falling Away happens when the Great Tribulation Period begins and Jesus Christ did NOT come as most people who believe in pre-tribulation, which none of Scriptures teaches, but only men from the last days generation teach that. Many false prophets will be present in the last days says the Word? Well, where are they? They are behind the pulpits teaching false doctrines like Pre-trib, when Scriptures does NOT teach that at all, only the last days generation teaches that. So when the Great Tribulation does happen, and Jesus did not come as they thought He should have, and they hear a man on TV saying to every nation, to every religion in the World "WHERE IS YOUR GOD NOW?" Many, and i say MANY, will fall away from the Faith, and not only the Christian Faith, but ALL FAITHS will fall away from even believing a God even exists. That is the Falling away that the Bible is referring to.

^i^ responding to OP

I agree with this.......been teaching it for years.....!

 

[Yet]

can you give us a link ?

i thought I did. Deceptionfree