My point about Christian prisoners was to show that in fact, atheism and leftism don't automatically make people immoral, or violent, or any more likely to commit a crime than anybody else.
Change Your Gun Laws, America
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My point about Christian prisoners was to show that in fact, atheism and leftism don't automatically make people immoral, or violent, or any more likely to commit a crime than anybody else.
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Yes according to the bible ..they are immoral in the eyes of God and are "by nature children of wrath" having said that not all that call themselves Christians are real biblical and Spirit filled Christians.
You're both saying the same thing in the way of groups and claimants to groups and how to judge them. Nevertheless the main point with guns is not the groups, though surely they be side reasons connected to the issue. The issue is the gun itself, a cruel killing machine with a dubious history and past to say the least of it. Outside of the epic history into the epic present it is a big problem, especially in America, but not exclusive to her. We must confront and find ways to do the best we can to deal with this problem while it is still possible to even try to deal with it lest the gun violence get out of hand or literally the guns be taken out of hands by force
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No...honest folks need guns to defend themselves from dishonest folks...that's the 2nd amendment ..and unless they change the constitution ...we will keep our guns 
No...honest folks need guns to defend themselves from dishonest folks...that's the 2nd amendment ..and unless they change the constitution ...we will keep our guns
Sure, but then come help us think of ways to get the guns out of the hands of criminals and those that shall cause accidents. It's one of the hardest questions of the current time, and it takes us all to even try to get some of the pieces. It's a riddle pondered for many ages with many answers. How do you stop a bullet? How to reduce or stop people dying because of a vain moment of one with a gun?
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Well...in a free society ..sometimes bad people end up using liberty for bad things...the solution is never to take liberty from good people. More people die from drinking and driving...should we try to take liberty away from folks based on these folks?
The point is we don't have to take any freedom from good people at all to find solutions to bad problems. If a cop pulls you over drunk and with an open container of booze in the cup-holder, he can confiscate the booze. If a cop pulls over a recognized gangster, he can take their guns.
That's all ready in place even. So then could ideas like trying to reduce the sale of guns be as wise as ideas to try to reduce the sale of alcohol to the end to reduce gun violence and drunk driving?
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Ok using that same logic...we find the bad guys and leave the good guys to enjoy their constitutional rights.... Have you noticed those cities with the strictest guns laws are the most dangerous cities in our country?
Yea but then have you noticed it is because the criminals have it so easy to get the guns from the places more lax to bring into the cities and places that don't? It is like with Mexico, they have more gun control laws but because America is the biggest maker of guns in the world they got tons of gun crime, even a civil war.
That's why we should not put off the possibility and leverage we the people have of using the government to act strongly against gangsters and to confiscate their weapons by force being that gangsters or rebel armies are all ready not entitled to have them and are turning them upon citizens and government officials like police.
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ok so if bad guys can always get guns...why would we want to disarm the good guys? The reason these punks don't come and commit crimes here is because honest folks have guns.
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Most of what your describing is the inner city crime problem ...Which no one seems to have the courage to deal with..other than to say we need to take guns away from those who live honestly.
I thought we all ready established we're not disarming the good guys. I know of plenty of crimes happen to people with guns and no guns alike. That's more the reason to try to reduce, limit, and if possible eliminate the capabilities such as the gun or certain types of guns afford for the proverbial bad guys.
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The reality is that there are a whole lot of parents who aren't.... and there is an epidemic of "lord of the flies" in every community in the United States.
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This always seems to require that our constitutional rights are compromised ...enforce the laws that are on the books...bring inner city crime under control like Rudy did in New York and leave the rights of honest folks along. I don't want the government with anymore control than they have already ...I want my constitutional right to bear arms. Liberty means folks make up their own mind...we don't need a bunch of folks in Washington telling us what kind of Guns we can have ... as long as the NRA is around, its not going to happen...and im very glad
Yea that's part of the problem too, but even so there's plenty of cases where the shooters have parents, even being from well to do families. Some even used this to get a gun to use, for instance with Sandy Hook. Or even unbeknownst to their parents with Columbine.
This be really the heart of the strongest arguments both for and against raising the age limit on guns. Whether by reducing ability for younger people could prevent some of these tragedies, or if by how easy it is for them to get around it by virtue of the all around guns and lax gun policy is futile. I personally do not believe it futile if even a few can be spared the bite of the bullet, and even the would-be shooter himself a chance or a reason to instead disarm and be loved.
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Well to do does not a parent make. It only gives a kid who raises himself access to more things. Including an attitude of entitlement.
For some indeed, but then we pretty much go off in all the dynamics that make America such a horrible little corner of the earth it seems. To the end of reducing or if it be possible ending gun violence and gun tragedies therefore must consider gun control ideas. I've been pondering, gun control of itself as a topic doesn't even have to necessarily involve government at all. A lot of the traditionally pro-gun folks though might have good ideas for lessening gun culture and the impact of the gun physically and metaphorically upon America. Like for instance with hunters, they may know others ways, even possibly better ways to hunt thus reducing need for guns. Or ways to improve securing the guns from protocols to tangible things like better lockboxes and safety mechanisms. If we can have the mentality here that the gun itself, not any person is the clear issue we can find many creative ways to reduce gun crime or accidents while still maintain to the lawful gun owner having his gun.
Yes, actually, you should. Drink-driving is heavily penalized where I live. It's a serious, serious taboo, and the jail terms are extreme for those people who kill somebody while drink driving. Putting people into jail, is taking their liberty, and I think it's the correct thing. Drink drivers should be prosecuted and have their liberty taken away. They're unfit to drive, and they endanger all people around them.
The same with guns. We have some of the strictest controls in the world (just having a gun without a license carries an automatic 6 month sentence, and any aggravating factors mean that sentence can be up to 7 years), and our violent crime rates are a lot better than the US.
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Do you outlaw cars or alcohol? No...you deal with things...that's what happens in a free society, your try to balance liberty with public good according to the law.
A. In the U.S., about 11,000 people are murdered each year through gun-related homicides.
B. About a MILLION innocent people are murdered each year through abortion.
In my humble opinion, gun control is a total non-issue; it's just something for liberals to scream about in order to soothe their conscience for the millions of innocents they send to the slaughterhouse each year.
So, what are the statistics now?
About 3 Americans, per 100,000 are murdered in a gun related homicide.
About 312 Americans, per 100,000 are murdered in an abortion.
Go ahead liberals... yell about gun control.
Yell all you like.
Change the laws.
Do whatever you need to soothe your conscience.
It will never make the blood go away.
Gun control is nothing but a distraction.
It's a joke.
This whole issue is a joke.
Go ahead, pretend that gun-control has some kind of genuine relevance.
Go ahead.
B. About a MILLION innocent people are murdered each year through abortion.
In my humble opinion, gun control is a total non-issue; it's just something for liberals to scream about in order to soothe their conscience for the millions of innocents they send to the slaughterhouse each year.
So, what are the statistics now?
About 3 Americans, per 100,000 are murdered in a gun related homicide.
About 312 Americans, per 100,000 are murdered in an abortion.
Go ahead liberals... yell about gun control.
Yell all you like.
Change the laws.
Do whatever you need to soothe your conscience.
It will never make the blood go away.
Gun control is nothing but a distraction.
It's a joke.
This whole issue is a joke.
Go ahead, pretend that gun-control has some kind of genuine relevance.
Go ahead.
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