JOHN HAGGEE AND HIS BLOOD MOONS - PROPHET OR PROPHETEER?

[Lancelot]

As a long time Charismatic I have to concede that a lot of these attacks are somewhat self-inflicted. If some of these men (and women) of God would be a tad more circumspect in what they say there wouldn't be so much misunderstanding. But often in an attempt to be provocative they end up inviting the contempt of the bible believing Christian community.

[video=vimeo;33784563]https://vimeo.com/33784563[/video]

 

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But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you. [SUP]2 [/SUP]For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch and be sober(1 Thessalonians 5:1-6).

I will go with Paul concerning the times,and seasons,which Paul said,he is not writing about the day of the Lord,because he does not know,but gives us a hint when it is close,when the world says,peace and safety,which means they are coming together thinking that they can solve their problems,and have peace on earth,which Paul said,that day will not overcome the saints,for they will know that only by God,and Jesus,can there truly be peace,and the world will be heading towards the beast kingdom,after the one world government collapses,because it failed at keeping the peace,because of the 6th trumpet.

When the man of sin establishes a covenant for 7 years,and the world is split in to ten sections with a leader in each section,the ten horns,and a unified religious system,with a spiritual leader,then there is something I can grasp and know it will not be long before Jesus comes back.

That is all I need to know,that the world only has 7 years,and then their system will be shut down.

They are trying to fit their prophesy in to the belief that Jesus comes before the tribulation,but Paul says,when they say Peace and safety,which seems like that is when the 7 years starts them thinking that they can obtain peace,that the saints are on earth not being deceived by the direction they are going.

Four blood moons,I'll give John Haggee,4 bloody noses.Only kidding.

 

[Agricola]

agricola what did it say 5 years or so ago?

None of the hype we have today, it was a simple observation that we have all these eclipses and blood moons on Passover and Tabernacles in 2014, and 2015, Passover, Nissian 1, Trumpets Tabernacles and this has only happened a couple of times in 700 years and each time something significant happened to the Jews.

What will happen this time around ? Now this is where we get the hype and all the extreme scenarios and people wanting to make a few million dollars on books.

 

[Agricola]

Let me guess. He also believes the jews returning and the formation of the nation Israel are insignificant also.

Why are you assuming I think these things, you obviously do not pay attention to my posts.

 

[pottersclay]

All I heard about the blood moons is that an event might take place concerning Israel.
Because of the past history of this type of blood moons and the Jewish calender.
This phenomenon has a reputation the proceeds it.
Whether it's war, the agreement to build the third temple, who knows, but many believers and non believers agree their is a great chance of a occurance that will involve Israel.

 

[popeye]

Why are you assuming I think these things, you obviously do not pay attention to my posts.

OOps ,that was misdirected,my apologies sir.

 

[Angela53510]

The orthodox Jew is still waiting on the messiah.

There is a "roundabout sense" where I can say this in reference to the Jew that WILL NOT ACCEPT that fact of his prior walk on the planet.

And for certain I CAN SAY ,in reference to the orthodox Jews rejecting him that he did not come as THEIR messiah in that they have and will continue to reject him as messiah.

I watch Hagee irregularly,for many years. I wonder constantly where pple get the dirt on him.

But kay adequately address the lynchmob and the spirit of antichrist in those with death and blood in their eyes for a man of God.

Hagee clearly says in the video above that Jesus never claimed to be the Messiah. That is not Scripturally true!

"The woman said to him, “I know that Messiah is coming (he who is called Christ). When he comes, he will tell us all things.” [SUP]26 [/SUP]Jesus said to her, “I who speak to you am he.” John 4:25-26

In Kayla's post, he clearly apologizes and admits he was wrong in saying that. I do respect him for admitting he was wrong.

But some of you are trying to deny he was wrong in the first place. Talk about having blinders on! Just because he is a charismatic preacher, doesn't mean you should not test his words against the Bible.

Ironically, Hagee did and changed what he said, including rewriting chapter 10 of his book "Defense of Israel."

I will also say, this blind and slavish inability to look at the truth, and instead take everything these televangelists and teachers at face value, is highly unbecoming of a Christian, and certainly the way to end up stuck in a cult.

Open your eyes people! Hagee admitted he was wrong. Why can't you admit it too?

 

[ladylynn]

Hagee clearly says in the video above that Jesus never claimed to be the Messiah. That is not Scripturally true!

"The woman said to him, “I know that Messiah is coming (he who is called Christ). When he comes, he will tell us all things.” [SUP]26 [/SUP]Jesus said to her, “I who speak to you am he.” John 4:25-26

In Kayla's post, he clearly apologizes and admits he was wrong in saying that. I do respect him for admitting he was wrong.

But some of you are trying to deny he was wrong in the first place. Talk about having blinders on! Just because he is a charismatic preacher, doesn't mean you should not test his words against the Bible.

Ironically, Hagee did and changed what he said, including rewriting chapter 10 of his book "Defense of Israel."

I will also say, this blind and slavish inability to look at the truth, and instead take everything these televangelists and teachers at face value, is highly unbecoming of a Christian, and certainly the way to end up stuck in a cult.








Open your eyes people! Hagee admitted he was wrong. Why can't you admit it too?

Maybe I'm just too human or something because although I see John Hagee trying to be very "provocative" in his approach to this blood moon and Israel topic, AND causing a stir of controversy while doing so, like brother Lancelot here says...

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Re: JOHN HAGGEE AND HIS BLOOD MOONS - PROPHET OR PROPHETEER?

As a long time Charismatic I have to concede that a lot of these attacks are somewhat self-inflicted. If some of these men (and women) of God would be a tad more circumspect in what they say there wouldn't be so much misunderstanding. But often in an attempt to be provocative they end up inviting the contempt of the bible believing Christian community.
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I certainly do not call J.Hagee a cult leader and all who follow him cult followers. shhhhesssshhhhh.. Over the years pastors and leaders go off on these side roads pushing their pet convictions like - The Bible diet or bracelets with WWJD on them or The Prayer of Jabaz., or Y2k A Biblical Perspective.... on we could go but lets not!

While imo J.Hagee's methods leave a little to be desired., he is not a cult leader and he apologized and IS writing his book over to be even MORE clear., Some would say he is writing it over to sell more books but they don't know that for sure. I sure won't be buying any books from him . I just don't have an interest in all this controversy and blood moon stuff except for the interest of not helping to condemn him. I would not condemn any brother in Christ even theeeee MOST annoying ones and I do know many annoying ones.

Havn't you guys met some reeeaaalllllly annoying brothers and sisters in Christ before???? They are everywhere!!!! I'm sure we have been annoying to some of our brothers and sisters too! But getting thrown under the bus for it is just not right to do to our relatives in Christ.





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[Karraster]

Hagee clearly says in the video above that Jesus never claimed to be the Messiah. That is not Scripturally true!

"The woman said to him, “I know that Messiah is coming (he who is called Christ). When he comes, he will tell us all things.” [SUP]26 [/SUP]Jesus said to her, “I who speak to you am he.” John 4:25-26

In Kayla's post, he clearly apologizes and admits he was wrong in saying that. I do respect him for admitting he was wrong.

But some of you are trying to deny he was wrong in the first place. Talk about having blinders on! Just because he is a charismatic preacher, doesn't mean you should not test his words against the Bible.

Ironically, Hagee did and changed what he said, including rewriting chapter 10 of his book "Defense of Israel."

I will also say, this blind and slavish inability to look at the truth, and instead take everything these televangelists and teachers at face value, is highly unbecoming of a Christian, and certainly the way to end up stuck in a cult.

Open your eyes people! Hagee admitted he was wrong. Why can't you admit it too?

just wanted to point out, the woman was a gentile who Messiah said those words to. How many times did He charge Jews not to tell anyone?, (when they realized who He was). He fulfilled the role of "The Prophet" we must obey..spoken of by Moses...which is not talked about very much among Christians..perhaps if we did the Jews might see it.

 

[Angela53510]

Maybe I'm just too human or something because although I see John Hagee trying to be very "provocative" in his approach to this blood moon and Israel topic, AND causing a stir of controversy while doing so, like brother Lancelot here says...

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Re: JOHN HAGGEE AND HIS BLOOD MOONS - PROPHET OR PROPHETEER?

As a long time Charismatic I have to concede that a lot of these attacks are somewhat self-inflicted. If some of these men (and women) of God would be a tad more circumspect in what they say there wouldn't be so much misunderstanding. But often in an attempt to be provocative they end up inviting the contempt of the bible believing Christian community.
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I certainly do not call J.Hagee a cult leader and all who follow him cult followers. shhhhesssshhhhh.. Over the years pastors and leaders go off on these side roads pushing their pet convictions like - The Bible diet or bracelets with WWJD on them or The Prayer of Jabaz., or Y2k A Biblical Perspective.... on we could go but lets not!

While imo J.Hagee's methods leave a little to be desired., he is not a cult leader and he apologized and IS writing his book over to be even MORE clear., Some would say he is writing it over to sell more books but they don't know that for sure. I sure won't be buying any books from him . I just don't have an interest in all this controversy and blood moon stuff except for the interest of not helping to condemn him. I would not condemn any brother in Christ even theeeee MOST annoying ones and I do know many annoying ones.

Havn't you guys met some reeeaaalllllly annoying brothers and sisters in Christ before???? They are everywhere!!!! I'm sure we have been annoying to some of our brothers and sisters too! But getting thrown under the bus for it is just not right to do to our relatives in Christ.

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Pardon me if you thought I was implying that John Hagee is a cult leader. He apologized and changed what he said. I don't know much else about him.

What I meant was - blind acceptance of ANY leader or televangelist can and will lead to the possibility of being in a cult. Maybe not Hagee, or the next guy, but maybe one of the ones after that?

Too many people would not accept he was wrong, even when he admitted it. That scares me to death. It is verging on idol worship.

When you set a man up as incapable of making mistakes, (which Hagee did not do!) you will sooner or later fall under the sway of some "charismatic" (in the sense of people clamouring to follow him!) leader who will take you for your soul.

Or, like some people I know who got taken by the Word of Faith movement, and lost their faith and wandered far from God.

And actually, looking at the wording in my last post, there is no way shape or form that I said Hagee was a cult leader. I said that people are more likely to get into a cult, with their blind inability to properly compare what people say compared to the Bible. Further, that doesn't just mean televangelists or TV preachers, but anyone who would lead even the very elect astray.

"For false christs and false prophets will arise and perform great signs and wonders, so as to lead astray, if possible, even the elect." Matt. 24:24

 

[pottersclay]

Dear Mr. Haggee.
We at c.c. Had found your findings in your book "in the defense of Israel" quite disturbing.
As God fearing Christians such as your self we feel it is necessary to dis credit you and drag you off your high horse. With further rumors that seem to indicate false teaching and preaching we feel it is necessary to gut you like a fish.

Mr. Haggee
Please disregard the first part of this message. It would appear you were aware of our findings and resolved it by editing and rewriting a better understanding to you findings. We would like you to know your apologies are excepted.

Dear Mr. Haggee
We at c.c. would like to know how much you are profiting on your blood moons book.
Why did you create this much hype on this uncommon occurrence. Bringing our attention to the fact that this phenomenon has involved Israel in the past we think has been said by you only for monetary gain. Once again we at c.c. are very dismayed by your actions and we warn you that our swords are at the ready to resume "gutting you like a fish".

We at c.c. deem it necessary to give you fair warning about our findings and thoughts on these matters
We hope that your code of conduct will co-inside with our beliefs in this matters.


Sincerely......your brothers and sisters in Christ.

 

[ladylynn]

Dear Mr. Haggee.
We at c.c. Had found your findings in your book "in the defense of Israel" quite disturbing.
As God fearing Christians such as your self we feel it is necessary to dis credit you and drag you off your high horse. With further rumors that seem to indicate false teaching and preaching we feel it is necessary to gut you like a fish.

Mr. Haggee
Please disregard the first part of this message. It would appear you were aware of our findings and resolved it by editing and rewriting a better understanding to you findings. We would like you to know your apologies are excepted.

Dear Mr. Haggee
We at c.c. would like to know how much you are profiting on your blood moons book.
Why did you create this much hype on this uncommon occurrence. Bringing our attention to the fact that this phenomenon has involved Israel in the past we think has been said by you only for monetary gain. Once again we at c.c. are very dismayed by your actions and we warn you that our swords are at the ready to resume "gutting you like a fish".

We at c.c. deem it necessary to give you fair warning about our findings and thoughts on these matters
We hope that your code of conduct will co-inside with our beliefs in this matters.


Sincerely......your brothers and sisters in Christ.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
THAT WAS SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO COOL!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[ladylynn]

Pardon me if you thought I was implying that John Hagee is a cult leader. He apologized and changed what he said. I don't know much else about him.

What I meant was - blind acceptance of ANY leader or televangelist can and will lead to the possibility of being in a cult. Maybe not Hagee, or the next guy, but maybe one of the ones after that?

Too many people would not accept he was wrong, even when he admitted it. That scares me to death. It is verging on idol worship.

When you set a man up as incapable of making mistakes, (which Hagee did not do!) you will sooner or later fall under the sway of some "charismatic" (in the sense of people clamouring to follow him!) leader who will take you for your soul.

Or, like some people I know who got taken by the Word of Faith movement, and lost their faith and wandered far from God.

And actually, looking at the wording in my last post, there is no way shape or form that I said Hagee was a cult leader. I said that people are more likely to get into a cult, with their blind inability to properly compare what people say compared to the Bible. Further, that doesn't just mean televangelists or TV preachers, but anyone who would lead even the very elect astray.

"For false christs and false prophets will arise and perform great signs and wonders, so as to lead astray, if possible, even the elect." Matt. 24:24

I agree with you there, no one should just be listened to as if they were infallible. I don't see people here as the gullible types since we each have defended our opinions SO well with scripture.., tons of scripture. We have our own life experiences and have been led down a wrong path a time or two but it would seem obvious that in our trips we each have learned somethings.

John Hagee has been on tv for hundreds of years and his style for those of us who have watched him on and off and are aware of how he preaches and teaches, he's always been loud and opinionated, pro America and pro Israel. Some people are like that and many people respond and appreciate that style., and many don't. I'm more for the quieter types like Pastor Joseph Prince. But style is not nor should be an issue yet it always seems to get in the way.

I'm pro Israel too and always have been even in the early years we were shown how the Jews are God's chosen people to give out the oracles of God and we Christians were grafted in.,So have always liked J.Hagee for his stand on that and his patriotism for America., I also came from very strict Baptist fundamental roots and changed over the years to an all out tongue speaking sort of word of faither kind of Christian. And although I don't hold to all of John Hagee's ideas I respect his life and what it stands for.

And I also think we can disagree with each other on topics like he brings up and other topics we Christians often disagree on and still not be condemning or condescending towards one another. Giving the benefit of the doubt is so needed in this time of internet and social media.

 

[Lancelot]

The Bible gives us many admonitions to avoid the love of money, to not pursue riches, to put our principles ahead of money ... etc. Unfortunately I'm convinced that many of these prophecy type books are written primarily to sell books and generate a cash flow for the writer, using fear as a motivation to get informed. Actually you could say the same for many non-prophecy books written by megachurch pastors. Some have even used ghost writers just to produce something that would sell. All for a buck. This is a very dangerous road they are on.

 

[pottersclay]

The bible being the best selling book of all time is the only book they would ever need if they wanted, truth, adventure, romance, mystery, health , wealth, gloom, war, spiritual, you name it.
But due to the author and his ghost writing abilities people tend to over look it's content.

Best selling book ......hardly ever read.....is that a oxy moron......or how ever you spell it lol

 

[popeye]

Hagee clearly says in the video above that Jesus never claimed to be the Messiah. That is not Scripturally true!

"The woman said to him, “I know that Messiah is coming (he who is called Christ). When he comes, he will tell us all things.” [SUP]26 [/SUP]Jesus said to her, “I who speak to you am he.” John 4:25-26

In Kayla's post, he clearly apologizes and admits he was wrong in saying that. I do respect him for admitting he was wrong.

But some of you are trying to deny he was wrong in the first place. Talk about having blinders on! Just because he is a charismatic preacher, doesn't mean you should not test his words against the Bible.

Ironically, Hagee did and changed what he said, including rewriting chapter 10 of his book "Defense of Israel."

I will also say, this blind and slavish inability to look at the truth, and instead take everything these televangelists and teachers at face value, is highly unbecoming of a Christian, and certainly the way to end up stuck in a cult.

Open your eyes people! Hagee admitted he was wrong. Why can't you admit it too?

I will also say, this blind and slavish inability to look at the truth, and instead take everything these televangelists and teachers at face value, is highly unbecoming of a Christian, and certainly the way to end up stuck in a cult.

Open your eyes people! Hagee admitted he was wrong. Why can't you admit it too?

This is getting ridiculous.

Uh,I know what a cult is,and also am aware of all of our erroneous applications/beliefs. (unless you suppose you are flawless?)

Stop crucifying recklessly over flyspecks.

Watch this;
HAGEE HAS MADE MANY MANY MISTAKES AND ERRORS CONCERNING THE WORD OF GOD.

SO HAVE I\SO HAVE YOU.

I hardly ever listen to him,but defend against stereo types that stone charismatics and celebrate the errors of christian brothers.

 

[popeye]

The Bible gives us many admonitions to avoid the love of money, to not pursue riches, to put our principles ahead of money ... etc. Unfortunately I'm convinced that many of these prophecy type books are written primarily to sell books and generate a cash flow for the writer, using fear as a motivation to get informed. Actually you could say the same for many non-prophecy books written by megachurch pastors. Some have even used ghost writers just to produce something that would sell. All for a buck. This is a very dangerous road they are on.

The next best seller would be "pilgrims progress"

I guess bunyons' "ONLY MOTIVATION" was making a buck huh?

 

[popeye]

I agree with you there, no one should just be listened to as if they were infallible. I don't see people here as the gullible types since we each have defended our opinions SO well with scripture.., tons of scripture. We have our own life experiences and have been led down a wrong path a time or two but it would seem obvious that in our trips we each have learned somethings.

John Hagee has been on tv for hundreds of years and his style for those of us who have watched him on and off and are aware of how he preaches and teaches, he's always been loud and opinionated, pro America and pro Israel. Some people are like that and many people respond and appreciate that style., and many don't. I'm more for the quieter types like Pastor Joseph Prince. But style is not nor should be an issue yet it always seems to get in the way.

I'm pro Israel too and always have been even in the early years we were shown how the Jews are God's chosen people to give out the oracles of God and we Christians were grafted in.,So have always liked J.Hagee for his stand on that and his patriotism for America., I also came from very strict Baptist fundamental roots and changed over the years to an all out tongue speaking sort of word of faither kind of Christian. And although I don't hold to all of John Hagee's ideas I respect his life and what it stands for.

And I also think we can disagree with each other on topics like he brings up and other topics we Christians often disagree on and still not be condemning or condescending towards one another. Giving the benefit of the doubt is so needed in this time of internet and social media.

One thing about hagee,you always know where he stands.

He does not mince words,and will admit when he is wrong.

 

[Angela53510]

This is getting ridiculous.

Uh,I know what a cult is,and also am aware of all of our erroneous applications/beliefs. (unless you suppose you are flawless?)

Stop crucifying recklessly over flyspecks.

Watch this;
HAGEE HAS MADE MANY MANY MISTAKES AND ERRORS CONCERNING THE WORD OF GOD.

SO HAVE I\SO HAVE YOU.

I hardly ever listen to him,but defend against stereo types that stone charismatics and celebrate the errors of christian brothers.

My posts had NOTHING to do with charismatics. Unless the shoe fits! I clearly have said over and over that the sheep, ie Christians are too willing to accept unbiblical theologies, because some Christian media leader said it!

That can include charismatics, but I have also seen it include Baptists, Reformed people to name only a few.

I am speaking about ignorance of the Bible. If Christians knew and used the Bible more, they would not accept "hook, line and sinker" some of the things these leaders say. Especially the ones on TV, which yes, is a lot of charismatics but certainly not limited to them. And not all charismatics are teaching bad doctrine, either.


This warning is important and necessary. We need to know our Bibles. We need to test and discern when teachers and prophets and evangelists are leading people astray. Billy Graham might be a good example. While I know his heart was always for people to be saved, his crusades were ineffective. I worked as a volunteer in follow up of people who committed their lives to Christ in his 1984 Crusade in Vancouver, BC. I was responsible to follow up 10 people, get them into a Bible study. and hopefully connect them with a local church.

None of my 10 were interested. In our neighbourhood group, not one of a 100 commitments followed up. In fact, the numbers were so low in follow up that was the year the Billy Graham association started to seriously look at why people were not following through. Or so we were told.

You can say all you want about Graham's charisma drawing people to the altar, mass crowd hysteria, but I was at those crusades, and the gospel really was not preached. Just the "say a prayer and you are saved" gospel.

That was my first experience in seeing this phenomena of people following leaders words, not the Bible.

We all make mistakes, but God holds teachers to a much higher standard than ordinary Christians.

"Not many of you should become teachers, my brothers, for you know that we who teach will be judged with greater strictness." James 3:1

That means we as the body of Christ need to lose this attitude of letting unbiblical stuff slip by, because someone famous said it, and instead, know the Word of God. We should not be about lettting people get away with anything they want, if it is contrary to Scripture, in the name of loving our brothers and sisters.

It is NOT loving to allow someone to continue to preach error, or worse, to believe that error, because they have not tried to apply the litmus test of "Is it contrary to the Bible, or is it in agreement with the Bible?

 

[pottersclay]

Is it .wa wa wa wa or


baa baa baa baa ​ I forgot?