U.S. Supreme Court declines stay 4 clerk refusing to issue gay marriage certificates

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Galahad

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Wow.

You seem really upset about this.

Are you currently in a gay marriage?
Is it personal?
Is that why you're so upset?

Omni, that is funny. Man, that is hilarious. I'm busting up as I type this. It's too much.

Omni, you've got to laugh at that. C'mon.

It's meant to be funny, but it sounds so clinical. Oh man.

Laughing humor scale: 1 dead. 10. Can't breath, ribs hurt, tears of laughter. ROFL. I'm laughing and I can't breath.

It's a 10.5!

Just read Omni with humor. Please.

I'm going to come back are read that over and over. Just know, that after I post this response, I'll be reading it line by line with serious tone, and catching the spirit of it. Oh, it's too much.
 
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Viligant_Warrior

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You're missing the point. Whether being Christian means putting your own personal faith in God or following laws is irrelevant to the point. The point remains the same -- two gay people in a consensual relationship don't stop you from being able to do it.
You're the one missing the point. Though what you say is true, it isn't about us, and it isn't about them. It is about their rejection of God's law, a repudiation of God's design for marriage. Their attempted abrogation of marriage demeans the concept for everyone, given there is no biblical basis for their relationship while the union of a heterosexual couple does meet the demands of how He designed marriage..
 
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Galahad

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So...
you're not upset, and you're not in a gay relationship?
Oh no. I just saw this. No. No. No. No. ROFL. Just read it again, can't stop laughing.

This and the other post are thee most hilarious on CC. Will never be topped. Never.

Everyone should be forced to read it. Oops! Encouraged to read it.
 
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Galahad

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Abraham Lincoln did.
Present the evidence. Please.

I encourage you to read Maxwell's questions to you about your life style. It is hilarious. Omni. I can't stop laughing. I can't

It's a grand slam of comedy.
 
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Sirk

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Here's the thing, I haven't said anything in this entire thread that would logically lead to the conclusion "you have a despotic attitude towards Christianity". I fully support your right to follow God's instructions in your own life, but I also fully support other peoples' rights to not follow God's instructions in theirs. I believe in fairness. I don't want to take away your right to choose whether or not to live your life by Christian values, I just want you to stop trying to take away everybody else's right to choose whether or not they'll live by Christian values.

Two people in an adult, consensual, gay relationship, doesn't take away from your right to be Christian, whatsoever.
The problem is that the only ones shoving their "lifestyles " down people's throats are I wanna identify as a woman today or whatever other deviant perverted weirdness they can dream up types.
 
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Galahad

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Wow.

You seem really upset about this.

Are you currently in a gay marriage?
Is it personal?
Is that why you're so upset?
The part that really sends me into fainting laughter is the clinical, the attempt to get to the real crux of Omni's objection. Here's that one that has me in tears: "Are you currently in a gay marriage?"

My face is red with laughter.
 

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You are certainly correct.But this is what the poster said...

It is, indeed, difficult to accept gay marriage. But then I come back to the idea that it is good for a person to love another person--good for both health and happiness. For society, it is better if people live in loving committed relationships. It makes for a more stable society. My limitations should not stand in the way of others' happiness.


The Bible doesnt agree with this.Im assuming the poster is talking about the Christian view.People outside the church will do what they do but we dont agree with it.We dont agree that "its good for a person to love another person" so its ok to be gay. We disagree with that view because the Bible disagrees with that view.

If I may, the problem is coming in when you want to legistate these beliefs. Now me, I'm not against gay marriage as a law but I am against the prosecution of those who refuse to serve gay people. The bakery lawsuits, the rich gay couple that sued the Church of England for not doing a wedding, these things are stupid.

BUT the gov job is different - you swear an oath, and that's probably why Jesus advices to never swear oaths. These was not forced upon her, making this oath. But I suggested earlier in the thread that given the statistics of homosexuality, it will probably a very rare request, and why not accomdate her if it's not routine? But I don't know much about the dynamics of that position.

In any case, your right to expression hasn't been trampled. Drunkenness is not favorable in Scripture, you don't see very many Christians protesting bars or legistating someone's intake of alcohol.

If the argument is God commands there to be a God-fearing nation and otherwise is condoning, there are a number of basic commands/rules that are grossly overlooked. And the fact there's such intense focus on this one (and abortion) suggests the advocates don't really care about these people, or even the law of God - they just don't want to see gay people walking around holding hands.

Some people don't want to see a Bible in public - it offends them.

It's ironic when some circles of believers defend their expressions that offend people as "you have no right to not be offended" (I agree) ... They can only defend these restrictions with "I have a right not to see it." Because honestly, there isn't anything preventing your worship.
 
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You're the one missing the point. Though what you say is true, it isn't about us, and it isn't about them. It is about their rejection of God's law, a repudiation of God's design for marriage. Their attempted abrogation of marriage demeans the concept for everyone, given there is no biblical basis for their relationship while the union of a heterosexual couple does meet the demands of how He designed marriage..
Your decision to marry as per God's design, as a function of your free will, is proportionally equivalent to another's decision not to marry as per God's design, as a function of their free will. God's arbitration of human life expressly permits for functions of free will which present consequences that diametrically oppose his preferences. In fact, the ability for each human to choose which functions he or she performs is necessary in order for the dichotomy -- whether or not those functions align with God's preferences -- to exist in the first place. Put another way, free will is God's primary preference, for it is clearly more important to God than the specific way in which that free will is utilized. Otherwise, free will would be fundamentally limited to choices that are not considered by Him to be sinful.
 
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Galahad

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Wow.

You seem really upset about this.

Are you currently in a gay marriage?
Is it personal?
Is that why you're so upset?

Can someone please post a video on this. You know where you all cut the video short and it repeats. I think VW has one where the guy is slapping another guy upside the head. Any others would be appreciated. It's just so humorous. I gave Max a rep for it.
Thank you!
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kaylagrl

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Here's the thing, I haven't said anything in this entire thread that would logically lead to the conclusion "you have a despotic attitude towards Christianity". I fully support your right to follow God's instructions in your own life, but I also fully support other peoples' rights to not follow God's instructions in theirs. I believe in fairness. I don't want to take away your right to choose whether or not to live your life by Christian values, I just want you to stop trying to take away everybody else's right to choose whether or not they'll live by Christian values.






Two people in an adult, consensual, gay relationship, doesn't take away from your right to be Christian, whatsoever.


For your consideration I think Ravi Zacharias answers the question very well,I hope you will watch...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nPYRXop7aPA
 

GOP

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Wow!!! If I have the opportunity to talk with Clerk Kim Davis physically, I will just remind her of what the HOLY SPIRIT says, "Count it all joy, my brethren, when you meet various trials, for you know that the testing of your faith produces steadfastness (James 1:2-3)."
Again, the HOLY SPIRIT says, "Indeed all who desire to live a godly life in CHRIST JESUS will be persecuted...(2Timothy 3:12)."

I know and I feel what she is passing through because I have also tested such persecution but because of JESUS our LORD, I endured; yet HE rescued me. The word of GOD never fail and as Christians we must hold on to our Faith right up to death. We must obey GOD rather than man.

I'm with her in the Spirit praying for her. I thank GOD for the abundance of grace given to her to hold on to her Faith in GOD through JESUS CHRIST our LORD.
 
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Galahad

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Wow.

You seem really upset about this.

Are you currently in a gay marriage?
Is it personal?
Is that why you're so upset?
Can someone please post a video on this. You know where you all cut the video short and it repeats. I think VW has one where the guy is slapping another guy upside the head. Any others would be appreciated. It's just so humorous. I gave Max a rep for it.

Please. Please. Please.
 
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For your consideration I think Ravi Zacharias answers the question very well,I hope you will watch...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nPYRXop7aPA
His point about autonomous culture is fantastic, because it's true. If we're going to live in a genuine autonomous culture, then each of us should make decisions about what we do with our own lives, and simultaneously allow others to do likewise. You can say you disagree with homosexuality, and I can say I disagree with your disagreement, and you can live your life without being gay, and someone else can live theirs by being gay. You can speak out against being gay, I can speak out for it. And we can both do that, and gay people can do their thing. By saying God disagrees with being gay, I would hope that you do in a way that recognizes that ultimately, you are leaving the decision to the individual. I would like to think that you're not saying "nobody is allowed to be gay, put them in prison", but that you are saying "God does not want man to be gay", then leaving it up to the autonomous individual to decide for themselves.

If you believe that sexuality is sacred, and I don't, I think that's a choice we're allowed to make for ourselves. I've always said that I support a Christian's right to speak out, but I also support my own right to speak out, and a gay person's right to speak out, too. I support a Christian's right to practice their faith, I also support an atheist's right not to. I support a straight Christian-preacher couples' right to refuse a gay person a wedding in their church, and I support a lesbian couples' right to a wedding by the state.

If we all get treated fairly in that, then I'm absolutely fine with that culture.

On another note, one question that Mr. Zacharias asks is "we as Christians, consider both race and sexuality sacred. Why do you sacralize ethnicity/race, but desacralize sexuality?"

I have a little problem with that question, because I don't think atheists make race sacred, and I don't think most atheists consider sexuality's default position "sacred" either. He's asking why we desacralize sexuality, but most of us have never believed it was sacred in the first place; we don't believe that sexuality has a default, holy position from whence it has fallen.

Personally, on race, I don't think what colour someone's skin is makes people any different, other than what colour their skin is. It seems like an insignificant thing; it's not important to me. People are people, and black people are black because of melanin protecting them from the sun. That's all it is.

Anyway, thanks for sharing!
 
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Galahad

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America's never been a Christian nation. The Constitution of the United States contains a view that is quite clearly classically liberal; all men are equal under it.

Okay, I asked where you got this from? You said Abraham Lincoln. Ha! Ha! I've waited and waited. No answer.

See the problem is, the words are not as you have them. Here they are: We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator

Not a Christian nation! Idiotic.

Like a sponge. Just believe and absorb everything you hear from your liberal teachers and instructors.


 
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Okay, I asked where you got this from? You said Abraham Lincoln. Ha! Ha! I've waited and waited. No answer.

See the problem is, the words are not as you have them. Here they are: We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator

Not a Christian nation! Idiotic.

Like a sponge. Just believe and absorb everything you hear from your liberal teachers and instructors.


Four score and seven years ago our fathers brought forth on this continent a new nation, conceived in Liberty, and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal -- Abraham Lincoln

Abe held classical-liberal views. Freedom, equality, an end to slavery, the black vote, the female vote. He was an equal rights activist, back when it wasn't cool.
 
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Heaven is our Home and we must obey GOD ALMIGHTY who created us and sent us on earth rather than the evil laws or constitutions of our states. For it is written, "I will never fail you nor forsake you." Hence we can confidently say,
"The LORD is my helper,
I will not be afraid;
what can man do to me?"
(Hebrews 13:5-6)
 
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nw2u

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Heaven is our Home and we must obey GOD ALMIGHTY who created us and sent us on earth rather than the evil laws or constitutions of our states. For it is written, "I will never fail you nor forsake you." Hence we can confidently say,
"The LORD is my helper,
I will not be afraid;
what can man do to me?"
(Hebrews 13:5-6)
All manner of evil, but the soul will have everlasting life.
 
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Mitspa

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When the rich man turned, sad becuase of his many possessions, Jesus didn't try to talk him into otherwise.
When the mulitudes stopped walking with Him, did He turn around and threaten them, or try to persuade them?
When the disciples QUOTED SCRIPTURE (work of a prophet) with an inquiry as to call destruction upon a city that rejected Him, what did He say? "You do not know what you ask." He turned the focus back on them. "Are YOU ready to be faithful, as you feel these should be punished for not accepting Me?"
You folks don't seem to know your bible...maybe that's why your defending evil....Jesus told the rich man to sell all he had..give it away and follow him .
 
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Mitspa

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You're missing the point. Whether being Christian means putting your own personal faith in God or following laws is irrelevant to the point. The point remains the same -- two gay people in a consensual relationship don't stop you from being able to do it.
So? Lots of sick things in our society that don't directly effect an individual, but is destructive to the society as a whole. And the whole point of this thread proves this perversion is having a direct effect on Christians.
 
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Mitspa

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Four score and seven years ago our fathers brought forth on this continent a new nation, conceived in Liberty, and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal -- Abraham Lincoln

Abe held classical-liberal views. Freedom, equality, an end to slavery, the black vote, the female vote. He was an equal rights activist, back when it wasn't cool.
My goodness what is your point? What does this have to do with the evil that you are trying to approve and promote?