U.S. Supreme Court declines stay 4 clerk refusing to issue gay marriage certificates

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biblicalsandy

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This is what I see when I read the post on here, and I understand, because it is happening right in front of us all. Will I argue over such thing, no. I see it as arguing over truth....[h=1]2 Timothy 3[/h]3 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.
2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,
7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
8 Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith.
9 But they shall proceed no further: for their folly shall be manifest unto all men, as their's also was.
10 But thou hast fully known my doctrine, manner of life, purpose, faith, longsuffering, charity, patience,
11 Persecutions, afflictions, which came unto me at Antioch, at Iconium, at Lystra; what persecutions I endured: but out of them all the Lord delivered me.
12 Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution.
13 But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived.
14 But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned them;
15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.
16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.


I see Kim as a brave soul, but will not force that opinion on no one. For I can not change what has already been predicted by God!
 

Dude653

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Yes that's why people go to hell...you say this like you take pleasure in those who reject God? You clearly dont resist evil As all believers are commanded. You Appear to rejoice in it.
People go to hell on their own free will too. I recently saw a meme that said.....
Don't force anyone to get on to the Ark. Just keep building and warn the rain is coming
 
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nw2u

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And your excuse for the apostles' disobedience?

Acts 5:28-29 (KJV)
28 Saying, Did not we straitly command you that ye should not teach in this name? and, behold, ye have filled Jerusalem with your doctrine, and intend to bring this man's blood upon us.
29 Then Peter and the other apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men.
Crossnote, I agree with your point and have a few questions. The apostles taught at the temple in Jerusalem which had no meaning since the old law was fulfilled in Christ. Therefore, the temple and all of the old feasts and ceremonies had no meaning. Celebrating them would be insulting to Our Lord, since it would be like telling Him we do not have faith that His sacrifice was worthy of our trust and the forgiveness of our sins. This, I understand as the reason they were commanded to preach there.

What troubles me is that they were not sent to the steps of the headquarters of the governing body at Jerusalem, where Pilate stayed at the palace of Herod when in Jerusalem. That seems more appropriate to the message you are attempting to convey. Why do you think that is? Why do you think it was so important to stay away from those places and preach from private residences, the temple or on the street?
 
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Mitspa

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People go to hell on their own free will too. I recently saw a meme that said.....
Don't force anyone to get on to the Ark. Just keep building and warn the rain is coming
No one is forcing anyone on the ark.. the only force being used, is by those who are trying to force this abomination on our society.
 
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Mitspa

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Crossnote, I agree with your point and have a few questions. The apostles taught at the temple in Jerusalem which had no meaning since the old law was fulfilled in Christ. Therefore, the temple and all of the old feasts and ceremonies had no meaning. Celebrating them would be insulting to Our Lord, since it would be like telling Him we do not have faith that His sacrifice was worthy of our trust and the forgiveness of our sins. This, I understand as the reason they were commanded to preach there.

What troubles me is that they were not sent to the steps of the headquarters of the governing body at Jerusalem, where Pilate stayed at the palace of Herod when in Jerusalem. That seems more appropriate to the message you are attempting to convey. Why do you think that is? Why do you think it was so important to stay away from those places and preach from private residences, the temple or on the street?
Paul used his authority and rights as a Roman citizen to demand to see Caesar ...and to further the truth of the gospel... Of course God intended us as believers to use our rights and liberty to uphold His truth...to think otherwise is just a lack of real understanding of who we are supposed to be as salt and light in this world.
 

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Crossnote, I agree with your point and have a few questions. The apostles taught at the temple in Jerusalem which had no meaning since the old law was fulfilled in Christ. Therefore, the temple and all of the old feasts and ceremonies had no meaning. Celebrating them would be insulting to Our Lord, since it would be like telling Him we do not have faith that His sacrifice was worthy of our trust and the forgiveness of our sins. This, I understand as the reason they were commanded to preach there.

What troubles me is that they were not sent to the steps of the headquarters of the governing body at Jerusalem, where Pilate stayed at the palace of Herod when in Jerusalem. That seems more appropriate to the message you are attempting to convey. Why do you think that is? Why do you think it was so important to stay away from those places and preach from private residences, the temple or on the street?
if you read later in Acts Paul was taken before Roman authorities and put on trial as one who was charged for sedition against Caesar.

But authority is authority whether it be ecclesiastical or secular.
The Temple and it's feast's were not the issue why they disregarded the Jewish rulers, but the Command to preach the Gospel From their Lord, regardless if an edict forbidding it comes from a worn out Jewish Priesthood, a pagan tribal chief or the Supreme Court of any modern country.
 
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nw2u

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if you read later in Acts Paul was taken before Roman authorities and put on trial as one who was charged for sedition against Caesar.

But authority is authority whether it be ecclesiastical or secular.
The Temple and it's feast's were not the issue why they disregarded the Jewish rulers, but the Command to preach the Gospel From their Lord, regardless if an edict forbidding it comes from a worn out Jewish Priesthood, a pagan tribal chief or the Supreme Court of any modern country.
Why do I think of this guy when I read that?

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But seriously, Paul was accused of sedition, but when he told of his life and what he believed, he was deemed innocent even before being sent before caesar Augustus. So, nothing he preached was in relation to how to govern, but how to be saved in Christ. I think I missed something. I must have missed a post a while back or something, because it seems like this and the topic of this thread don't really jibe. What am I missing?
 

Dude653

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No one is forcing anyone on the ark.. the only force being used, is by those who are trying to force this abomination on our society.
Is someone twisting your arm and demanding that you be gay?
 
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Mitspa

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Is someone twisting your arm and demanding that you be gay?
You don't seem to understand that when this perversion was made a civil right, it has the force of law against anyone that rejects its place in our society. Yes the supreme court twisted my arm that I must now accept two perverts as a married couple under law.
 

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Why do I think of this guy when I read that?

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But seriously, Paul was accused of sedition, but when he told of his life and what he believed, he was deemed innocent even before being sent before caesar Augustus. So, nothing he preached was in relation to how to govern, but how to be saved in Christ. I think I missed something. I must have missed a post a while back or something, because it seems like this and the topic of this thread don't really jibe. What am I missing?
hmm, you want me to throw in John the Baptist for rebuking a king's immoral relationship.. Dunno :)
 
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AgeofKnowledge

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Crossnote, I could have profoundly faded them for you. But, I prefer to watch sometimes and see how well you, Mispa, etc... fare against opposition that ranges from average to above average with the understanding that there isn't an academic scholar or intellectual among them. I'm not mud checking you here but only stating that I know you guys are capable of doing much better than you are. To be blunt, you're a cut above this level of opposition though you don't always perform so. Peace.



IOW whatever the Supreme Court says you will obey, even if it goes against God's Word. gotcha.
 
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nw2u

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Makes perfect sense in a theocracy.
And we have the right and an obligation to rebuke. We have the right and obligation speak out, even make changes through the electoral process.
 
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Viligant_Warrior

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Makes perfect sense in a theocracy.
And we have the right and an obligation to rebuke. We have the right and obligation speak out, even make changes through the electoral process.
You realize that God expects nations to live righteously just as man is supposed to, right?

Or did you miss that in your Bible study?
 

Dude653

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I remember a country that didn't allow people to be gay. They called it Nazi Germany.
 
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Viligant_Warrior

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I remember a country that didn't allow people to be gay. They called it Nazi Germany.
Nobody is telling them they can't be gay. They can be as gay as they want to be. Heck, live it up! For tomorrow they die.

We want to prevent them from abrogating the biblical image of marriage into their unbiblical relationships.

Clear enough?
 

Dude653

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The Nazis killed people for being gay. They still do in some countries
 
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Sirk

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The Nazis killed people for being gay. They still do in some countries
Yup. Our good buddies the Iranians hang people for being gay. We need to make a whole bunch of more lopsided deals with them.
 

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Crossnote, I could have profoundly faded them for you. But, I prefer to watch sometimes and see how well you, Mispa, etc... fare against opposition that ranges from average to above average with the understanding that there isn't an academic scholar or intellectual among them. I'm not mud checking you here but only stating that I know you guys are capable of doing much better than you are. To be blunt, you're a cut above this level of opposition though you don't always perform so. Peace.
I wouldn't hold back playing that game if the roles were reversed. Sorry I didn't meet your standard...political science was never my forté.