Mental sickness?

SeekinHIM · Feb 2, 2010

Wow Brother,

I sense uh, just a little hostility in your response..............maybe? I am praying for you my friend, and these are not crackpot anything it is simply the Word of GOD and the power of GOD when you know where to look and call upon HIS Name.......

All due respect to the Medical Establishment, I actually work with many in the field of medicine and they are starting to see the value of what's taught here in these posts and what I already explained to you, in the private message..........

Blessing upon you Brother.............

SeekinHIM

SeekinHIM · Feb 2, 2010

Dear Brackenzee,

I am overjoyed that you got the help you needed through the psychiatrist, PRAISE GOD, but the reality is this, GOD never intended that doctors and drugs be the answer to our problems.............When you do the research, (and please do this first) the number 4 reason or cause of death in the UNITED STATES IS DRUGS, AND THE COMPLICATIONS DUE TO BOTH SIDE-EFFECTS, AND CROSS DIAGNOSING VARIOUS AILMENTS WITH MULTIPLE DRUG INTERACTIONS...............Please, understand this, I am truly here to help individuals, these are my Brothers and Sisters just as they are yours.

I don't take that lightly before the LORD, so if you don't agree that's fine, but slander is uh, just not appropriate really .............

Praying for you Brack.......

SeekinHIM

pickles · Feb 2, 2010

The first thing that needs to be pointed out is that we foget that the brain is like any other organ in the body. It can be injured, or not function as it should in the same way any other organ may. The liver, the heart, kidneys.
For some reason sociaty seems to think that if the brain is not working it is soley do to that person actions.
Although there are some that suffer do to actions of their own or others. I still feel it is argualble that there may have been some weakness in the brain that made that person suceptible.
As to all being due to sin. if this was true then why are there defects or illness in all of Gods creation?
Did a dog sin? Is that why it has a hip problem?
Did the flower sin? is that why it would not bloom?
I do not say that sin cannot effect us. We all know this will happen.
But to blaim all on the actions of that person is to pass judgement and that belongs to God alone.
One could say that my back injury is do to sin, since the driver of the other car was driving under the influence thus causing the accident.
But that was the sin of another.
I have seen those rare cases of one that suffers due to their sin, but to place blaim on all, do to the few is wrong.
One of my children has a genetic defect, what sin did she commit to bring this one herself?
Did she sin before she was in the womb?
Yes, all things are from creation, but much is not because of ones sins but simply because that is of the world.
God created the world from his wisdom.
In the world you will have tribulation, take courage, I have overcome the world.
All is not just this or that, but all can be to glorify God.
The fruits can be healing of body, the witness of the persiveirence of that indivigual that through Jesus they live despite thei afliction.
That faith conquors over all .
When will we begin to see that all things are according to what God Our Father chooses to glorify himself in.
I have learned this in my own sufferings, that the soul can live in greatness despite ones afflictions because of the salvation and grace of Our Lord Jesus.
Yes, we can believe in healing. Yes, God will glorify himself in every circumstance.
But to limit the power of God Our Father simply because of a few scriptures instead of realizing the whole is to limit the witness of his children.
I have read scripture that supports all, healing, perserverance, the glory of God in the weakest.
To judge one based simply apon their affliction is to go against the very reason Jesus came into the world.
He paid the price for our sins, and to look at all sufferings as being due to our own sins is to condem ourselves.
That is not the message of Jesus Our Lord and savior.
Just as the physician must look to all possibuilities and treatments. We as children of God must not limit all to one single cause or resolution.
God Our Father Glorifies himsllef in all things and uses all things to his glory!

God bless, pickles

SeekinHIM · Feb 2, 2010

Precious Pickles,

I would like to address some of the statements here that you commented on, and please bare with me as we go.... First of all, the entire planet and everything in it was affected by Adam and Eve's sin in the Garden, that's why at the end, ARMAGEDDON, THE WORLD WILL BE CLEANSED WITH FIRE.......PLEASE READ 2 PETER STARTING AT CHAPTER 3

When you really research everything about Scripture and really begin to understand that we are dealing with AN ETERNAL GOD WHO INTENDED ON CREATING ADAM AND EVE AND ALL OF THEIR DECENDANTS TO BE ETERNAL, right here on the planet........You will begin to see that this whole EXISTENCE WAS AND IS ETERNAL..............THE ONLY REASON WHY ANYTHING DIES, IS BECAUSE OF THE INTRODUCTION OF SIN INTO OUR LIVES AND FATHER GOD'S CREATION. WHAT DOES ONE OF THE MOST KNOWN SCRIPTURES SAY ABOUT SIN...............THE WAGES OF SIN IS DEATH...

In the Book of Peter, there is a very clear statement about the difference between the LORD judging the World in Noah's day with water, during the Flood, and Noah's Ark. And this time, the final judgement before JESUS CHRIST sets up HIS Kingdom on Earth, with HIS Throne established in Jerusalem. It will be by fire............There are multiple reasons for this and to elaborate too much right now would not be fruitful at this time.

I'll give you just a few verses here from 2 Peter chapter3 starting at verse 6.....through which the world at that time was destroyed, being flooded by water. BUT BY HIS WORD THE PRESENT HEAVENS AND EARTH ARE BEING RESERVED FOR FIRE, KEPT FOR THE DAY OF JUDGEMENT AND DESTRUCTION OF UNGODLY MEN............

ALSO, THIS VERSE IS CLEAR, AND EVEN DESCRIBES A LEVEL OF PURIFICATION WE HAVE NOT YET EXPERIENCED ON THIS PLANET...............

VERSE 10+12 OF 2 PETER CH. 3- vs. 10- But the Day of the LORD will come like a thief, in which the heavens will pass away with a roar AND THE ELEMENTS WILL BE DESTROYED WITH INTENSE HEAT, AND THE EARTH AND IT'S WORKS WILL BE BURNED UP......

vs. 12-..........looking for and hastening the coming of the Day of GOD, because of which the heavens will be DESTROYED BY BURNING, AND THE ELEMENTS WILL MELT WITH INTENSE HEAT..............

Precious,

We are all ETERNAL............THAT'S THE TRUTH, SIMPLY BECAUSE FATHER GOD DOESN'T MAKE TEMPORARY THINGS.............BUT ETERNAL.
Those whom have accepted JESUS CHRIST as LORD and Savior, shall live FOREVER, ETERNAL WITH GOD........

But on the flipside of this program, those who don't know JESUS CHRIST as LORD and Savior, will die ETERNALLY AWAY FROM GOD.............
Either way we are still Eternal beings...........And to address that comment about a dog..........No the dog didn't sin, animals are sinless, they can't sin, the Covenants of GOD ARE FOR MEN AND WOMEN NOT ANIMALS, however, they are affected by Adam's and Eve's sin, this is even why most wild animals are AFRAID OF MAN...............Check it out in Genesis.......

On a more personal note, I am truly sorry your daughter is suffering from this genetic defect, I know GOD could do a miracle, do you believe this?

I would truly be interested in talking to you about your child that is sick, perhaps some of the individuals that I know and work with could help her.......

Please let me know, or if you prefer to send a private message, that would be fine also..........

I am praying for you and her, pickles,

SeekinHIM

charisenexcelcis · Feb 3, 2010

"And if i have prophecy, and know all mysteries and all knowledge; and if I have all faith, so as to remove mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing." I Corinthians 13:2
Whatever your belief, those who deal with mental illness should be dealt with in love, or it means nothing....
Thank you, pickles for your fine post, and debbie and many others.

SeekinHIM · Feb 3, 2010

Dear Charisenexcelcis,

Wow that's a hard one to spell.........at least for the first time.......

I am passionately in love with my Brothers and Sisters in CHRIST. That's the reason why I say the things I do.............Sometimes the TRUTH IS PAINFUL................Just think of CHRIST DYING FOR US.............IT'S THE MOST PAINFUL THING EVER...........YET TRUE TO US, BECAUSE WITHOUT HIM DOING THIS, WE WERE ALL DOOMED FOREVER......

Forever seperated from OUR LOVING FATHER.

Not a pleasant thought, or a reality, so if I am bold and gentle at the same time then this is a representation of the LION AND THE LAMB........

Just review the things that JESUS did in the Gospels, at times HE was very gentle ........and at other times HE was very bold where needed.

Just a thought....

I am passionately in LOVE WITH MY KING AND SAVIOR, AND MOST PEOPLE JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT. WHEN THIS OCCURS IN YOUR LIFE AND YOU SEE THE PEOPLE AS HE DOES, THEN YOU LOVE THEM THIS WAY ALSO.........AND WILL BATTLE DARKNESS FOR THEIR FREEDOM.......

SeekinHIM

pickles · Feb 3, 2010

SeekinHIM said:

Im trying to see the point you are trying to make here. I do not dispute that we are all sinners and that there are times when illness is from sin.
The point I want to make is that all illness is of ones indivigual sin.
I have expearienced miraculos healings, but I have also seen the mirical of God's power in overcoming the affliction.
What I speak to is where one limits Gods power only to the obvious healing that is refured to as a mirical.
Why is it assumed that because one is afflicted that they are less or damaged?
Have you ever seen that tree that has been bent or injured by life? That tree is ussually far more beautiful and often bears the richer fruit.
I believe the greater mirical is when the afliction does not matter to the person because their faith is made greater than the difficulty ,by God.
What concerns me is the fact by what you say there is only one reason for afflictions and one healing.
What I am asking you to consider in Jesus and by scripture that all things are miricals glorifing God.
I once thought and saw only a healing of body. But Jesus showed me just how great and powerful his healing and grace can be.
Does not scripture say that our difficulties are but a blink of the eye in comparison to the reward of an eternity in Jesus?
I hope you can see the message that all things are to the Glory of God.
That it is not the affliction that matters , but the soul.
That by the grace of Jesus gives us this, wether it is the healing of the body. Or the abuility to overcome anything in the body.
As to all your references to sin and its consiquences.
Those things belong to those that reject Our Lord Jesus and his word.
But those that look to Jesus can know healing of the body, even greater.
As for me I will seek that which is greater.
Total peace, joy, love and grace through Jesus Christ Our Lord and saviour so that God Our Father will be glorified.
This is the true gift that is eternal
God bless, pickles

greatkraw · Feb 3, 2010

SeekinHIM said:

I think you have a very good point to make

I know someone who has General Anxiety Disorder
The cause is psychological
The symptoms are physical
And if she ever gets healed it will because she allows God to work through her spirit

Because with the shrinks and the medicine she is going backwards
She IS saved but REFUSES to rely on God

SeekinHIM · Feb 3, 2010

Precious Pickles,

I'm not sure where our wires are crossing here, but perhaps this message will clear a few thing up............Again, I will try diligently to address what you just posted......

Precious, We are not all sinners. Those who have been born again, are referred to as Saints ............56 times after Calvary's Cross. Most of Paul's writings include an opening "TO ALL THE SAINTS IN CORINTH...............OR TO ALL THE SAINTS IN EPHESUS..........ETC. And we are not "sinners saved by grace either, this is a clever way Satan tricks the Son's and Daughter's of GOD to remain virtually bound by conciousness of sin......

All illness is of one's individual sin..........This simply is not so, and please understand I am not just trying to be argumentative here, the clear evidence is right in EXODUS- The iniquities of the fathers IS PASSED DOWN TO THE 3RD AND 4TH GENERATIONS OF THEM THAT HATE ME......ch.20 vs. 5

I can testify of this myself, because my Grandfather, was an alcoholic, my Father was an alcoholic and I was also, until I broke the generational issues....Now, I am very pleased to say I have one daughter that is 26 and does not drink, another daughter that is 24 and does not drink, and my son is 18 and does not drink, nor do any of them do drugs at all..............Why is this? Because the generational iniquities on my family line have been broken by me.......

Why is it assumed that because one is afflicted that they are less or damaged........? First of all, I never assumed this nor would I ever, quite the contrary, my passion is to assist the worst of the afflicted, until they are well. THIS IS THEIR BIRTHRIGHT IN CHRIST.

What concerns me is the fact by what you say that there is only one reason for afflictions and one healing Not true at all, I never said one reason for afflictions, quite the opposite, there are many afflictions and many root causes behind them........and I would never say there was one healing, the reality is, sickness and disease do not glorify GOD.......If they did, why would all of the HEALING Scriptures be in the Word.........Why wouldn't the Word say somewhere, THAT ALL THINGS GLORIFY GOD INCLUDING SICKNESS AND DISEASE.....Does this include SATAN, OR JUDAS......

It's not the affliction that matters but the soul.........Yes this is partly true, because it is in the soul where the issues originate........ If I am bitter in my soul because someone hurt me for years and years and years, and I don't forgive them and release them, FROM THE HEART and not just say it with my mouth...........Then what happens to my body is a total reversal from the way I was designed, .....Various chemicals are continually pumped into my bloodstream ...........such as Cortisol: Cortisol is like battery acid when released on a regular basis, in the body...........Doctors have actually seen the bone eaten away by the effects of just this one hormone.

As to all your references to sin and it's consequences, those things belong to those that reject Our LORD JESUS and HIS Word I'm not sure about this

one........I don't think we are on the same page here.............Is this to say that once we are saved we don't sin anymore............Only those who reject JESUS AND HIS WORD................This is simply not true...........I deal with individuals each and every day of my life that absolutely love JESUS with all of their hearts, and can't wait to get home to Heaven to be with HIM. And yet they are sick and dying because they don't forgive UNCLE BOB BECAUSE HE BEAT THEM WITH A HOSE WHEN THEY WERE 8 YEARS OLD.............OR THEY WERE ABUSED BY THEIR HUSBANDS, OR CHEATED ON.............OR HAD ABORTIONS OR WHATEVER...........AND THEY HAVE CANCER, OR TUMORS, OR STROKES, OR HEAT DISEASE, OR SOME OTHER HORRIBLE MALADY.............

Precious,

Please hear my heart here...............THIS IS NO JOKING MATTER, AND AS I ANSWERED ANOTHER WRITER THAT DISAGREED WITH ME, I AM VERY PASSIONATE FOR MY BROTHERS AND SISTERS HERE, AND WANT NOTHING MORE THAN THEIR HEALING AND DELIVERENCE FROM WHATEVER AILS THEM................

THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS FATHER GOD, OR JESUS CHRIST OR THE HOLY SPIRIT ........WILL NOT JUST STEP OVER OUR SINS AND HEAL US........
THAT WOULD BE TOTALLY CONTRARY TO HIS NATURE AND HIS WORD.

I AM PRAYING FOR YOU AND YOUR CHILD.

SeekinHIM

pickles · Feb 3, 2010

I believe that where I disagree is to say that all illness is because of ones sin.
I do not say that because one has accepted Jesus that they do not sin, simply they have salvation in Jesus.
I agree that because of sin that afflictions came to man.
But to tell every indivigual that their illness is a direct result of their own sin is wrong.
Although I do agree that some illness is the result of their spacific sin.
The impression you give is that any one person that suffers illness is there because they sinned and as a result they are ill.
If that were true all would suffer terrible afflictions as because we all sin.
I respect all that you have studied, and understand the message you want to convay.
All I ask is that you consider how you share that message and the possibuility that Jesus has a greater message.
Just as with Job some things are allowed because it is to glorify God.
Or simply to show his great power and love.
God bless, pickles

charisenexcelcis · Feb 3, 2010

And His disciples asked Him, saying, "Rabbi, who sinned, this man or his parents that he should be born blind? Jesus answered, "It was neither that this man sinned nor his parents; but it was in order that the works of God might be displayed in him."
John 9:2-3

pickles · Feb 3, 2010

I do not dispute that some illnesses are the result of the indiviguals sin.
I have to wonder if you see only the sin of the indivigual as the cause of illness because it has helped you accept this as the reason as to why many suffer. I do not say this with a heart of meaness. This is one of those times that the computer can get in the way. So please know I ask this so that you would only consider it. Not to insult or be pridefull.
The scriptures have shown me that many things happen simply because it pleases God Our Father.
This can be hard for many as it can make one think of God as cruel.
But who are we to deside we know better than God Our Father or know better than him as to why.
Some things are in the world simply because God Our Father has allowed it to his glory.
Again ,he created the world with his wisdom.
God bless, pickles

SeekinHIM · Feb 3, 2010

Precious,

This is not a battle here, but rather truth verses error............There is a Scripture that also says ........GO AND SIN NO MORE LESS A WORSE THING HAPPEN TO YOU.............JOHN 5:14 Now I'm not sure what that would be, but it sure doesn't sound good.......

Do you remember the Bereans in Scripture, these were a group of believers that JUST DIDN'T TAKE ANYONES WORD BUT INSTEAD STUDIED THE WORD OF GOD AND SEARCHED DILIGENTLY UNTIL THEY KNEW THE TRUTH...........

So, be BEREAN, go and check out Henry W. Wright's web location............. www.beinhealth.org Please remember this, Henry has been working with individuals for 26 years, and bringing them out of diseases of the worst kinds for the very same reasons I am listing here in my posts....

Henry's lead book " A More Excellent Way" has 114 pages in the back of the book, with thousands of people from all over the world that have gone to Thomaston, GA. AND GOTTEN HEALED........learning these principles........So again, be Berean, and see for yourself.

I am praying for you .........

SeekinHIM

Gods_Presence · Feb 3, 2010

jeff325 said:

Well said Jeff! Between Jesus and Depakote and Seraquel I'm living a very healthy life. I fought the diagnosis for years, in denial, and that all I needed was Jesus. But I finally learned the reality that I found my healing in God's Care & In Modern Medicine.

pickles · Feb 3, 2010

I do not want this to be a battle.
All I ask is that you consider and as you say, search the scriptures.
You assume that I cannot see how sin can cause illness.
I do see the message you witness to and know it.
I simply ask and witness to that all is not just because of ones sin.
You learned what you have because you were willing to see where Holy Spirit directed you through the word and others.
I have learned the same in the word and because of the witness of others.
Im not trying to prove you wrong. Im just bearing witness to what the Holy Spirit has revieled to me.
This is not about who is right. This is simply seeking all that is true through the word of God directed by his Holy spirit.
I wish you could see my heart, then you would know that I speak because of the Love and Glory of God.
Not for any gain.
God bless, pickles

SeekinHIM · Feb 3, 2010

Precious Pickles,

I do see your heart and it is beautiful, absolutely beautiful. I hope you will consider what I sent you on the PM. Simply put, you are right to say this is not a battle, or you don't want this to be a battle................We wrestle not against flesh and blood...........

IT'S THOSE DANGEROUS PRINCIPALITIES AND POWERS, RULERS, AND SPIRITUAL FORCES OF WICKEDNESS THAT I'M TALKING ABOUT HERE.......

These same ones that have blinded the World at large to their need for CHRIST........It's those creatures that I'm talking about......

Please, again consider what I wrote you.......

I am praying for you ...........

SeekinHIM

Gods_Presence · Feb 3, 2010

Gods_Presence said:

Ohh, I noticed that I did not mention that my diagnosis is Bipolar Type 1. Another thing that is true Jeff is that it is very difficult at times for others to grasp the concept of a mental illness unless they have personally suffered one or a close family member has.

jeff325 · Feb 3, 2010

You are very right 'God's presence'.

loveschild · Feb 3, 2010

God understands and sees when someone is bound. Pray for the chains to come off.

Gods_Presence · Feb 3, 2010

greatkraw said:

Lets say I do not have 20/20 vision... I think I should throw my glasses (corrective lenses) away and pray for my bondage and demonic spirits to leave me. Then I should get in my car and drive down Hwy 45 and hope and pray that I don't kill myself and possibly others, ohh my was that a woman crossing the street with her baby in her stroller that I just ran right through, ooops my bad, not cool at all. Your not oppressed, or have evil spirits in you if your eyes cannot see things clearly. You simply need to go to the eye doctor and get the exact prescription that is right for you.With that in mind we have medicine that corrects our brain chemistry, and allows our minds to interpret things clearly, and not all prescriptions are the same, there is no one size fits all perscription. Also there is a lot of trial and error in finding the proper medications to suit any one individual (remember all the lense slides at the optomitrist that your doctor had to go through before he/she found your match) Same with correcting a mental illness there can be a lot of trial and error in finding your right meds. Anyhow... speaking from first hand experience this is just one analogy that I can share. If you have a mental illness... I want you to Know that God Loves You and I Love You Also. And you are not demon possessed. There are some cases I am sure that demon possession and oppression play a role but by no means are all mentally ill people demon oppressed or possessed.
Also I like to say it this way: Its God & Medical Science that have given me a healthy mind and wonderful life. Love, Your Brother In Christ Jesus! Michael

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