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paulnsilas
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am i allowed to start new threads on the general board? how is it done? i can't seem to find a button.
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paulnsilas
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also, i just started a new chat group called WATCHMEN but i cant find my way back there....lol
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paulnsilas
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huh?
what am i doing here if don't believe that Jesus is God manifest in the flesh?
c'mon..................
what am i doing here if don't believe that Jesus is God manifest in the flesh?
c'mon..................
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iliveforHim
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Hi paulnsilas!
Welcome to the Chat room! It was hard for me to to get the hang of it at first, I'm not very Chat Room Smart. Eventually, the longer you hang out here, the more all will make sense!
Have fun visiting the forums!
God Bless!
Welcome to the Chat room! It was hard for me to to get the hang of it at first, I'm not very Chat Room Smart. Eventually, the longer you hang out here, the more all will make sense!
Have fun visiting the forums!
God Bless!
Where does it say that you must believe that Jesus is God in the flesh? The Word of God says that you have to believe that Jesus is the Son of God not that Jesus is God in the flesh , that is bad doctrine not taught by Christ :John 5:22 for the Father judges no man but has committed all judgement unto the Son. John 7:16 My doctrine is not mine but His who sent me
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paulnsilas
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believe what you want. i wasn't talking about salvational doctrine. i was talking about understanding.
yes of course Jesus came as the Son of Man (by Mary) and the Son of God (by The Holy Spirit). how else could God pay the price for flesh men (death) without becoming flesh?
as for the biblical truth that Jesus WAS and is GOD, are you certain you want to call that bad doctrine?
Thomas’ response to the resurrected Jesus
John 20:27-29: “Then He said to Thomas, ‘Put your finger here; see my hands. Reach out your hand and put it into my side. Stop doubting and believe.’ Thomas said to him, ‘My Lord and my God!’ Then Jesus told him, ‘Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.’"
This disciple realized, because of Jesus’ resurrection, who Jesus really was -- and humbly worshiped Him and declared His true identity: “My Lord and my God!” Jesus not only accepts this declaration, but blesses all of the disciples -- and all of us today -- who come to the same realization and place of humble worship.
Jesus’ claim about Himself
John 8:58-59: "‘I tell you the truth,’ Jesus answered, ‘before Abraham was born, I am!’ At this, they picked up stones to stone him, but Jesus hid himself, slipping away from the temple grounds.”
This is a powerful double claim from Jesus: first, that He pre-existed His human birth and was actually alive and present (as God) before Abraham; second, that His title was “I am” -- which was the same title used for YHVH God in Exodus 3:14. His listeners again got the point, and picked up stones to execute Him!
Paul’s understanding as an apostle and leader of the church
Colossians 1:15-16; [URL="http://www.allaboutgod.com/truth/colossians-2.htm"]2:9[/URL]: “He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. For by him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things were created by him and for him. . . . For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity lives in bodily form. . .”
And in Titus 2:13-14 Paul refers to him as “our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ, who gave himself for us to redeem us. . .”
Paul’s letters were some of the earliest Christian writings, with most of them actually pre-dating the four Gospels -- yet they make some of the strongest statements concerning the first church’s clear understanding of Jesus as the Creator; God in human form.
The Old Testament tells us that the Messiah is God and the eternal Father:
yes of course Jesus came as the Son of Man (by Mary) and the Son of God (by The Holy Spirit). how else could God pay the price for flesh men (death) without becoming flesh?
as for the biblical truth that Jesus WAS and is GOD, are you certain you want to call that bad doctrine?
Thomas’ response to the resurrected Jesus
John 20:27-29: “Then He said to Thomas, ‘Put your finger here; see my hands. Reach out your hand and put it into my side. Stop doubting and believe.’ Thomas said to him, ‘My Lord and my God!’ Then Jesus told him, ‘Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.’"
This disciple realized, because of Jesus’ resurrection, who Jesus really was -- and humbly worshiped Him and declared His true identity: “My Lord and my God!” Jesus not only accepts this declaration, but blesses all of the disciples -- and all of us today -- who come to the same realization and place of humble worship.
Jesus’ claim about Himself
John 8:58-59: "‘I tell you the truth,’ Jesus answered, ‘before Abraham was born, I am!’ At this, they picked up stones to stone him, but Jesus hid himself, slipping away from the temple grounds.”
This is a powerful double claim from Jesus: first, that He pre-existed His human birth and was actually alive and present (as God) before Abraham; second, that His title was “I am” -- which was the same title used for YHVH God in Exodus 3:14. His listeners again got the point, and picked up stones to execute Him!
Paul’s understanding as an apostle and leader of the church
Colossians 1:15-16; [URL="http://www.allaboutgod.com/truth/colossians-2.htm"]2:9[/URL]: “He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. For by him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things were created by him and for him. . . . For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity lives in bodily form. . .”
And in Titus 2:13-14 Paul refers to him as “our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ, who gave himself for us to redeem us. . .”
Paul’s letters were some of the earliest Christian writings, with most of them actually pre-dating the four Gospels -- yet they make some of the strongest statements concerning the first church’s clear understanding of Jesus as the Creator; God in human form.
The Old Testament tells us that the Messiah is God and the eternal Father:
For a child will be born to us, a son will be given to us; And the government will rest on His shoulders; And His name will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Eternal Father, Prince of Peace. (Isaiah 9:6)
Other prophecies of the Old Testament tell us that the Messiah would be God:
there are a couple of charts here that are easy
http://www.godandscience.org/cults/songod.html#aJwocSBadcPC
Other prophecies of the Old Testament tell us that the Messiah would be God:
"The days are coming," declares the LORD, "when I will raise up to David a righteous Branch, a King who will reign wisely and do what is just and right in the land. In his days Judah will be saved and Israel will live in safety. This is the name by which he will be called: The LORD Our Righteousness. (Jeremiah 23:5-6)
The title, "The LORD Our Righteousness" indicates that the Messiah is God. The Hebrew word translated "LORD" is yhvh (Yahweh), which is the personal name of God.
there are a couple of charts here that are easy
http://www.godandscience.org/cults/songod.html#aJwocSBadcPC