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The Lord is silent on this. Sprinkling some water on the baby is nothing more than getting his lil head wet. As far as the catholic traditions and sacraments; that is where your battle truly lies if you are truly reborn again in the spirit.
The RC church would have you believe that the christening is just the beginning and you are committing the child to the church right?
If you give in here; where does it stop? Is your husband willing to allow you to raise the child in a protestant community? Do you see where this is headed?
Snowballs tend to increase in size when rolled downhill.
The RC church would have you believe that the christening is just the beginning and you are committing the child to the church right?
If you give in here; where does it stop? Is your husband willing to allow you to raise the child in a protestant community? Do you see where this is headed?
Snowballs tend to increase in size when rolled downhill.
There isn't any prohibition in scripture about pouring water on your baby.
Water isn't going to hurt him.
What matters is that you TEACH your child about this doctrine, CORRECTLY, when he's older.
He needs to know he was NOT SAVED during the Christening ceremony when he was an infant.
As long as you teach him properly about salvation, when he's older, then it will be fine.
Water isn't going to hurt him.
What matters is that you TEACH your child about this doctrine, CORRECTLY, when he's older.
He needs to know he was NOT SAVED during the Christening ceremony when he was an infant.
As long as you teach him properly about salvation, when he's older, then it will be fine.
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Obviously.... faith and marriage issues weren't an issue for one or both of you BEFORE you married. Now that you are married are you looking to win an argument/conflict dispute?... or are you wanting to do what God says to do?
I am asking because there are different answers for the questions. I am going to address question #2. You are married, your husband is the HEAD of your home and marriage... you DO what your husband wants... you are the "HELP-MEET" and you are only excused from submitting to his leadership if he is demanding something that makes you SIN (lie, cheat, steal, have an abortion, that kind of thing).
That said- this is what you do... CHANGE YOUR ATTITUDE and HONOR and RESPECT YOUR HUSBAND
I am asking because there are different answers for the questions. I am going to address question #2. You are married, your husband is the HEAD of your home and marriage... you DO what your husband wants... you are the "HELP-MEET" and you are only excused from submitting to his leadership if he is demanding something that makes you SIN (lie, cheat, steal, have an abortion, that kind of thing).
That said- this is what you do... CHANGE YOUR ATTITUDE and HONOR and RESPECT YOUR HUSBAND
My mother stood her ground with my Orthodox grandmother and would not let us be infant baptized. When I was older, I was baptized with my husband after I was saved. It was very meaningful to both of us.
It would have been wrong to do it any other way. My mom grew up a Baptist, and that was one thing she knew the truth about. That water baptism does not saved, especially infant baptism.
She did settle that before she got married, because she would not be married in an Orthodox church, and my grandmother boycotted the wedding. My mother didn't want to go through a lot of rites and rituals in a language she did not understand. Since my father didn't care one way or the other, common sense won, instead of some stupid idea about the wife submitting. (To the MIL, since that is what it would have been!) they were married in English, in a Bible believing church.
If you give into his FAMILY, which seems to be who is calling the shots, this is just going to keep going forever!
It would have been wrong to do it any other way. My mom grew up a Baptist, and that was one thing she knew the truth about. That water baptism does not saved, especially infant baptism.
She did settle that before she got married, because she would not be married in an Orthodox church, and my grandmother boycotted the wedding. My mother didn't want to go through a lot of rites and rituals in a language she did not understand. Since my father didn't care one way or the other, common sense won, instead of some stupid idea about the wife submitting. (To the MIL, since that is what it would have been!) they were married in English, in a Bible believing church.
If you give into his FAMILY, which seems to be who is calling the shots, this is just going to keep going forever!
Hello Angela,
God bless your mom for taking her stand in the truth. If I might add, only believers who had placed their faith in Christ were baptized - as a public testimony of their faith and identification with Him. Water baptism by immersion is a step of obedience after faith in Christ. It is a proclamation of faith in Christ, a statement of submission to Him, and an identification with His death, burial, and resurrection. It is dying to the old nature and rising as the new person in Christ. Therefore, the person who is baptized does so understanding what it represents. An infant isn't even aware and has no understanding of such things and hasn't even lived nor is aware of their sinful nature in order to die to it.
According to the dogma of the RCC and other sects, baptism removes both the guilt and the punishment due to original sin and delaying baptism until a child can understand the sacrament may put the child's salvation in danger, should he/she die unbaptized. This is of course utterly ridiculous!
Regarding infants, what guilt is their to remove from one who hasn't lived long enough to sin or even know what the sinful nature is, much less being baptized in order to die to it? Consequently, baptism doesn't remove guilt nor does it remove punishment for sins. faith in the shed blood of Christ does that. Furthermore, an infant that is not baptized is not in danger of losing salvation, for regarding children, scripture states the following:
"For the unbelieving husband has been sanctified through his wife, and the unbelieving wife has been sanctified through her believing husband. Otherwise your children would be unclean, but as it is, they are holy." (1 Cor.7:14)
I guess the Catholic apologists missed that one. This is just another example of traditions and the false teachings of mankind.
God bless your mom for taking her stand in the truth. If I might add, only believers who had placed their faith in Christ were baptized - as a public testimony of their faith and identification with Him. Water baptism by immersion is a step of obedience after faith in Christ. It is a proclamation of faith in Christ, a statement of submission to Him, and an identification with His death, burial, and resurrection. It is dying to the old nature and rising as the new person in Christ. Therefore, the person who is baptized does so understanding what it represents. An infant isn't even aware and has no understanding of such things and hasn't even lived nor is aware of their sinful nature in order to die to it.
According to the dogma of the RCC and other sects, baptism removes both the guilt and the punishment due to original sin and delaying baptism until a child can understand the sacrament may put the child's salvation in danger, should he/she die unbaptized. This is of course utterly ridiculous!
Regarding infants, what guilt is their to remove from one who hasn't lived long enough to sin or even know what the sinful nature is, much less being baptized in order to die to it? Consequently, baptism doesn't remove guilt nor does it remove punishment for sins. faith in the shed blood of Christ does that. Furthermore, an infant that is not baptized is not in danger of losing salvation, for regarding children, scripture states the following:
"For the unbelieving husband has been sanctified through his wife, and the unbelieving wife has been sanctified through her believing husband. Otherwise your children would be unclean, but as it is, they are holy." (1 Cor.7:14)
I guess the Catholic apologists missed that one. This is just another example of traditions and the false teachings of mankind.
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Yep husband is catholic which goes against plenty of christian doctrines, but believe him. Because your spiritual steadfastness matters less than your submission or your childs salvation when he is a raised in a church that promotes idleness and salvation through works.
Seriously, you are literally telling this woman to allow her husband to corrupt her children with false christianity. Way to go.
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Naut, I am not... you are RIDICULOUS.
I did not TELL HER to BELEIVE HIM... learn how to READ!!! OBVIOUSLY her husband being catholic wasn't an issue for her before she married him... he didn't become one yesterday. Whether she is a new believer or was before she married him doesn't change the scriptural mandate for wives to submit to her husband's headship. She SHOULD change her attitude and honor and respect him as the scripture directs... that would go a lot further in allowing GOD to move in her home and family vs her maintaining her "current" attitude and continuing to sow strife and contention into the marriage.
I don't know what bible YOU read... but getting a babies head wet is NOT going to corrupt it, nor is false doctrine of any merit regarding an actual INFANT!!!
I did not TELL HER to BELEIVE HIM... learn how to READ!!! OBVIOUSLY her husband being catholic wasn't an issue for her before she married him... he didn't become one yesterday. Whether she is a new believer or was before she married him doesn't change the scriptural mandate for wives to submit to her husband's headship. She SHOULD change her attitude and honor and respect him as the scripture directs... that would go a lot further in allowing GOD to move in her home and family vs her maintaining her "current" attitude and continuing to sow strife and contention into the marriage.
I don't know what bible YOU read... but getting a babies head wet is NOT going to corrupt it, nor is false doctrine of any merit regarding an actual INFANT!!!
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Does the Bible instruct a woman to submit to a husband that hasnt submitted his decisions to biblically sound doctrine? No. And also, it seems the family is reigning over them and causing strife. I have been in this situation BarlyGurl! If she doesnt assert her position as the wife and one who will not cave to RC traditions now, it will be much harder when the child is of age to go to school or catholic school,catechism, or whatever! I just think she needs to correct the wrong NOW. Just because she erred in the past does not mean she is to continue on in the error. Clearly, he is not devout or the family pressure would not have come into play!
Which is the scenario I tried to paint when I replied. I say stop the train now before its a runaway train.
Which is the scenario I tried to paint when I replied. I say stop the train now before its a runaway train.
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Well that is your opinion, Blondie, from my perspective you are asserting she DISREGARD the scriptural admonishment given to wives Eph 5:22, Col 3:18, Titus 2:5 and wives of the "unbelievers" 1Pet 3:1 as well as suggesting she wage WAR in her home in the flesh instead of by the SPIRIT 2Cor 10:3-5. The OP will have to decide what she is going to do... I stand by my comments as scripturally sound.
No, your comments are NOT scripturally sound! None asserted that she wage war. I do think she can and should handle this with grace.A firm hand doesnt imply a crazed wife waging war The family needs to butt out and then Im sure the husband can deal with the wife and visa versa. You didnt respond to that elephant in the room which seems is the overbearing family! This is common in catholic families. Just by doing so I think the titus 2:5 will be fulfilled.
Eph 22 23.......23 implies that the husband should be but isnt acting in accord as christ heads his church.
What does col3:18 say? ......as it is [fit in] the Lord?
1Peter 3:15 doesnt apply. That is written for the unbeliever and not the husband of a false religion .Is it fit to follow a false doctrine? Should the wife hand over the child to be indoctrinated into the RC harlot?
Eph 22 23.......23 implies that the husband should be but isnt acting in accord as christ heads his church.
What does col3:18 say? ......as it is [fit in] the Lord?
1Peter 3:15 doesnt apply. That is written for the unbeliever and not the husband of a false religion .Is it fit to follow a false doctrine? Should the wife hand over the child to be indoctrinated into the RC harlot?
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Yeah, but you married a Catholic. What was the deal when you married?
This is the problem with submitting as a wife -- we need to trust our husband enough to submit before marrying him. You trusted him enough to marry him. I'm concerned that now you think it's time not to submit. This is going to be a tough marriage if you keep coming up with escape clauses.
This is the problem with submitting as a wife -- we need to trust our husband enough to submit before marrying him. You trusted him enough to marry him. I'm concerned that now you think it's time not to submit. This is going to be a tough marriage if you keep coming up with escape clauses.
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Okay blonde... you just keep on advising her to make her husband (his desires, values, beliefs) the opponent in this scenario. Perhaps you can show me WHERE the bible distinguishes unbelievers from people who follow a false religion? They still are UNBELIEVER ARENT THEY? So if you are married to one, the scripture directing your conduct ought to be really valuable... but you say it doesn't apply? 
Getting pressure from the "family" was not the focus of the OP's question... what to do about the conflict with her husband was. Someone else decided to focus on the outside influences... and so are you. I am going to trust the HS to guide the OP to the proper solution for her marital problem and I am also done re-presenting the scriptures to you... the scriptures stand regardless if anyone agreeing with them.
Getting pressure from the "family" was not the focus of the OP's question... what to do about the conflict with her husband was. Someone else decided to focus on the outside influences... and so are you. I am going to trust the HS to guide the OP to the proper solution for her marital problem and I am also done re-presenting the scriptures to you... the scriptures stand regardless if anyone agreeing with them.
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Lora, open up your heart to the Father about exactly what you feel. Tell the Lord all of your concerns and then ask Him to give you His wisdom and His mind on the matter. The Lord said if we lack wisdom to ask Him and He will give it, right? Well, we know that God is faithful to do it.
Don't worry, Sister. Jesus said don't be anxious about anything. He'll show you what to do and you'll have perfect peace about it. It's certainly better to hear the Voice of God than a bunch of us all telling you what our opinions are. Grace and peace to you in Jesus Christ.
Don't worry, Sister. Jesus said don't be anxious about anything. He'll show you what to do and you'll have perfect peace about it. It's certainly better to hear the Voice of God than a bunch of us all telling you what our opinions are. Grace and peace to you in Jesus Christ.
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Thank You all for responses..
Yes, I married Catholic after only 3 months being saved..sanctification just started to work and only then I got clearer vision what is what..Anyway - my husband is great, he is open to truth just it happens quite slow.But I'm patient and I believe in him. I made him lough about pope and basically changed many thoughts regards religion etc. But christening is something his family needs more than him , I guess. I think he feels stupid to explain all his 5 brothers and sisters why I'm not open to christen our son. But it's his weakness and problem, right?
Well, I don't agree with comment saying I have to submit to my husband. In this case it's not right.
I just feel i have to stand for my truth. Before I was thinking maybe let it all happen just for the peace sake for all his family. But no, I'm not gonna do that. I love my son too much to think of others opinions, I guess
Yes, I married Catholic after only 3 months being saved..sanctification just started to work and only then I got clearer vision what is what..Anyway - my husband is great, he is open to truth just it happens quite slow.But I'm patient and I believe in him. I made him lough about pope and basically changed many thoughts regards religion etc. But christening is something his family needs more than him , I guess. I think he feels stupid to explain all his 5 brothers and sisters why I'm not open to christen our son. But it's his weakness and problem, right?
Well, I don't agree with comment saying I have to submit to my husband. In this case it's not right.
I just feel i have to stand for my truth. Before I was thinking maybe let it all happen just for the peace sake for all his family. But no, I'm not gonna do that. I love my son too much to think of others opinions, I guess
I do not believe this is an issue which can be compromised. The OP is basically in the process of leading her husband to Christ, and teaching him what the Bible says about various issues, including infant baptism.
If she gives into his family's demands, she has walked one step farther away from following God in her witness, and may even imperil the salvation of her husband and his familly one day.
This is the time to be a bold witness that salvation is for people who understand what they believe, and not to be enrolled in the giant monolith called the RCC. And to explain in clear terms what the gospel is to his family, if God opens the doors of opportunity.
If she gives into his family's demands, she has walked one step farther away from following God in her witness, and may even imperil the salvation of her husband and his familly one day.
This is the time to be a bold witness that salvation is for people who understand what they believe, and not to be enrolled in the giant monolith called the RCC. And to explain in clear terms what the gospel is to his family, if God opens the doors of opportunity.
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