Obsession with Confession (1 John 1:9, sin confession)
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"When you were dead in your sins and in the uncircumcision of your sinful nature, God made you alive with Christ. He forgave us all our sins" (Colossians 2:13)
The fact is that while the sin issue is dead between you and God, it isn't between the people with whom we come in contact daily. When we realize we've wronged another, we need to go to that person and take steps toward reconciling the relationship with that person.
The fact is that while the sin issue is dead between you and God, it isn't between the people with whom we come in contact daily. When we realize we've wronged another, we need to go to that person and take steps toward reconciling the relationship with that person.
It seems HeRoseFromTheDead that you are missing the point about our confessing our sins to God. God wants us to confess our sins to Him, but Salvation is NOT based on confessing our sins to God.
And yes we produce Works from our Faith but Salvation is not based on Works of Faith.
Salvation is based ONLY on believing that Jesus IS God and nothing else. Not confessing our sins and not doing Works from Faith will not keep us from entering into Heaven.
So why HeRoseFromTheDead this obsession with confessing our sins?
Look at the Thief on the Cross who believed that Jesus was God. He entered into Paradise with Jesus but yet he did not confess his sins and he did no works of Faith.
And yes we produce Works from our Faith but Salvation is not based on Works of Faith.
Salvation is based ONLY on believing that Jesus IS God and nothing else. Not confessing our sins and not doing Works from Faith will not keep us from entering into Heaven.
So why HeRoseFromTheDead this obsession with confessing our sins?
Look at the Thief on the Cross who believed that Jesus was God. He entered into Paradise with Jesus but yet he did not confess his sins and he did no works of Faith.
K
I do not ignore nothing and your unedifying behavior is uncalled for, because in Matthew 25 and Matthew 7 every single person called Jesus their Lord and Master.
These two passages are about judgment and everybody in these passages thought they were saved until they stood before the Lord. Half of them were told they were not saved and did not receive eternal life because of how they continued to live their lives in iniquity and unfaithfulness.
The goats called Jesus their Lord and stood before Him at judgment, and when told they were being sent to the lake of fire they pleaded with Him as to why. Jesus told them because they have denied to help others in need they have denied Him !!!
S
Read again what you have posted here. You say often that you believe that we are save by grace through faith yet you are saying here that these were rejected because of a lack of works. So what is it? Are we saved by faith or by works?
If faith, then what did these lack? If we are saved by faith then why are you saying they were rejected because they denied to help others?
I just want you to get your theology straight. If you believe we must work to be saved then just say so but you can't say these were rejected because of a lack of good works and continue to say that we are saved by faith.
If faith, then what did these lack? If we are saved by faith then why are you saying they were rejected because they denied to help others?
I just want you to get your theology straight. If you believe we must work to be saved then just say so but you can't say these were rejected because of a lack of good works and continue to say that we are saved by faith.
K
My theology is straight, and again a true saving faith will not be void of works or the fruit of the Spirit as this is clearly shown throughout the bible.
Read those passages I posted again instead of ignoring the context in them, they all called Jesus their Lord and Master.
Even the 5 foolish virgins who did not prepare were waiting eagerly for His return, but because of not being prepared they were shut out. Just like the servant who did not build on what He was given when the Lord came back the unprofitable servant was cast out into outer darkness. The goats got sent to eternal punishment, not because they did not believe in Jesus as Lord, but because their lack of faithfulness to walk in love !!!
A true faith will show in our actions, no actions that reflect the fruit of the Spirit shows no real faith in the Lord !!!
Read those passages I posted again instead of ignoring the context in them, they all called Jesus their Lord and Master.
Even the 5 foolish virgins who did not prepare were waiting eagerly for His return, but because of not being prepared they were shut out. Just like the servant who did not build on what He was given when the Lord came back the unprofitable servant was cast out into outer darkness. The goats got sent to eternal punishment, not because they did not believe in Jesus as Lord, but because their lack of faithfulness to walk in love !!!
A true faith will show in our actions, no actions that reflect the fruit of the Spirit shows no real faith in the Lord !!!
E
This actually gets quite old. No one in here is saying, has ever said, or would say otherwise.
So why do you keep bringing this argument into play, it is a non sequitur argument, and is why people get sick of this stuff, and keep coming at you the way we do with frustration, You demand we listen when you refuse to listen.
because we ALL believe this is true.
So why do you keep bringing this argument into play, it is a non sequitur argument, and is why people get sick of this stuff, and keep coming at you the way we do with frustration, You demand we listen when you refuse to listen.
because we ALL believe this is true.
I see no mention of 'master'. You need a more correct version of the Bible. 'Lord', however, was a title used by an inferior to a superior. It simply indicated that they accepted that He had a right to judge. Many people called Jesus 'Lord' in the Gospels who made no claim to be saved. Besides I know many people who call Jesus LORD witout having any conception of salvation. As usual you greatly err, not knowing the Scriptures or the power of God.
Please show me where it says that they thought that they were 'saved'. Again it is not in my Bible. Many unsaved people will get a shock at the judgment because they simply assumed that they were ok. Jews think they are ok. But if they do not know Christ as Saviour they will be lost. You are so careless in your interpretation.
But there is no suggestion that they thought that they were saved. They just thought that they were ok.
you mean they called Him 'Lord' (our superior and judge). ALL people will call Him 'Lord' when they face the judgment. !!!! Most people I know think that they will be ok when they die even though they have no thought of 'being saved'. You simply read in what you want to read in.
Your whole ideas are based on false premisses.
Please show me where it says that they thought that they were 'saved'. Again it is not in my Bible. Many unsaved people will get a shock at the judgment because they simply assumed that they were ok. Jews think they are ok. But if they do not know Christ as Saviour they will be lost. You are so careless in your interpretation.
But there is no suggestion that they thought that they were saved. They just thought that they were ok.
you mean they called Him 'Lord' (our superior and judge). ALL people will call Him 'Lord' when they face the judgment. !!!! Most people I know think that they will be ok when they die even though they have no thought of 'being saved'. You simply read in what you want to read in.
Your whole ideas are based on false premisses.
K
Whatever keep denying that these are all about standing at judgment, and nowhere in any of these does it say they did not receive eternal life because they had no faith in Jesus as their Lord.
It shows how they were disobedient to the the Lord's commands to walk in love for all others, as denying Him goes deeper then just a verbal profession !!!
S
I completely agree with the above statement that I made bold, but my point is that you did not say they were rejected by a lack of true faith. You said that they were rejected because they denied to help others in need. Here is your quote that I will make bold.
"The goats called Jesus their Lord and stood before Him at judgment, and when told they were being sent to the lake of fire they pleaded with Him as to why. Jesus told them because they have denied to help others in need they have denied Him !!!"
You always point to a lack of works, but never to a lack of true faith which produces works. Why not just say Jesus denied them because of their lack of faith. In fact had anyone suggested that you would have argued that they had no works. I am not so sure you have your theology straight. If you believed that we are saved by faith , then the reason for rejection would be lack of faith and that's what you would have said, yet you always point to a lack of works or too much sin.
S
quote by KennethC
"It shows how they were disobedient to the the Lord's commands to walk in love for all others, as denying Him goes deeper then just a verbal profession !!!"
See, here again you equate salvation to obedience. Salvation is by faith not obedience. Faith will produce obedience but obedience is only the fruit of salvation not the substance of it.
"It shows how they were disobedient to the the Lord's commands to walk in love for all others, as denying Him goes deeper then just a verbal profession !!!"
See, here again you equate salvation to obedience. Salvation is by faith not obedience. Faith will produce obedience but obedience is only the fruit of salvation not the substance of it.
It depends on what you mean by void of. Strictly speaking true saving faith IS void of works. But if you mean by that that true saving faith will have the consequence that those who are able (do not die immediately) will reveal the fruit of the Spirit because they have received the Spirit, then you would be correct.
They do NOT call Jesus Master. They call Him LORD. Before the judgment seat even lifelong atheists, Jews, Muslims, Hindus and Buddhists will call Him Lord. So what does that prove?.
LOL so eagerly that they fell asleep before they were ready. Besides many today believe in the Lord's return but have no thought of salvation. You simply read in what you want.
yes they had never been saved.
because he professed to be a servant but was not one.
No, they were sent to eternal punishment because they DID NOT see Jesus as Lord, and had therefore not shown love to His servants.
True but the works are NOT part of that faith. They are its CONSEQUENCE. You must not put the cart before the horse, or even put the horse in the cart.
They do NOT call Jesus Master. They call Him LORD. Before the judgment seat even lifelong atheists, Jews, Muslims, Hindus and Buddhists will call Him Lord. So what does that prove?.
LOL so eagerly that they fell asleep before they were ready. Besides many today believe in the Lord's return but have no thought of salvation. You simply read in what you want.
yes they had never been saved.
because he professed to be a servant but was not one.
No, they were sent to eternal punishment because they DID NOT see Jesus as Lord, and had therefore not shown love to His servants.
True but the works are NOT part of that faith. They are its CONSEQUENCE. You must not put the cart before the horse, or even put the horse in the cart.
KennethC, the 5 foolish virgins were lacking oil for their lamps. Oil is a symbol of the Holy Spirit. These virgins were lacking the Indwelling of the Holy Spirit. This is why they were not allowed to enter into Heaven.
Matthew 7:21-23
[SUP]21 [/SUP] "Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven.
[SUP]22 [/SUP] Many will say to Me in that day, 'Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?'
[SUP]23 [/SUP] And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!'
The 5 foolish virgins were people who knew there is a God but who refused to accept God and follow Him.
Matthew 7:21-23
[SUP]21 [/SUP] "Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven.
[SUP]22 [/SUP] Many will say to Me in that day, 'Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?'
[SUP]23 [/SUP] And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!'
The 5 foolish virgins were people who knew there is a God but who refused to accept God and follow Him.
K
Who told you the oil stands for the Holy Spirit ???
There is absolutely nowhere in that scripture that says that as the context is about be prepared for that day and hour, because we don't know when He will return.
Remember that Jesus shows in Matthew 24:48 the same situation of those that think they can live however they want because His return is still a far off, so they have time to be obedient to His ways later.
He comes back while walking in this disobedient state catching them off guard and will cut them in two and appoint them with the unbelievers. No eternal life !!!
This is a clear passage that shows how we walk for the Lord as faithful servants does matter !!!
There is absolutely nowhere in that scripture that says that as the context is about be prepared for that day and hour, because we don't know when He will return.
Remember that Jesus shows in Matthew 24:48 the same situation of those that think they can live however they want because His return is still a far off, so they have time to be obedient to His ways later.
He comes back while walking in this disobedient state catching them off guard and will cut them in two and appoint them with the unbelievers. No eternal life !!!
This is a clear passage that shows how we walk for the Lord as faithful servants does matter !!!
K
The reason by the Holy Spirit that the things that I point out is because there are teachings going around trying to separate faith from works when they go hand and hand. The only arguments that keeps getting thrown around by those who want to separate the two are last minute confessions into the faith, and it is only justification before other people. However Abraham and Isaac were alone so that scenario does not work !!!
Hebrews 13:5
[SUP]5 [/SUP] Let your character be free from the love of money, being content with what you have; for He Himself has said, " I WILL NEVER DESERT YOU, NOR WILL I EVER FORSAKE YOU,"
KennethC, how can one lose their Salvation if God has said He will NEVER desert us or forsake us?
There are many people who REFUSE to accept Jesus and who REFUSE to follow Him. Its these people that God talks about in Matthew 7 and Matthew 25.
Everything thing you have shown us is all about those who REFUSE to accept Jesus as their Lord and Savior. Its NOT about those who HAVE accepted Jesus as their Lord and Savior!
You are trying to mix Apples with rocks. They are not the same. These people know about God but have never accept God. You cannot mix the two together and try to prove we can lose our Salvation by sinning!
This is the problem with you KennethC, you are trying to deceive people with your false doctrines.
Could it be KennethC that you have never accepted Jesus and do not have the Indwelling of the Holy Spirit and this is why you are trying to deceive people with your false doctrines?
[SUP]5 [/SUP] Let your character be free from the love of money, being content with what you have; for He Himself has said, " I WILL NEVER DESERT YOU, NOR WILL I EVER FORSAKE YOU,"
KennethC, how can one lose their Salvation if God has said He will NEVER desert us or forsake us?
There are many people who REFUSE to accept Jesus and who REFUSE to follow Him. Its these people that God talks about in Matthew 7 and Matthew 25.
Everything thing you have shown us is all about those who REFUSE to accept Jesus as their Lord and Savior. Its NOT about those who HAVE accepted Jesus as their Lord and Savior!
You are trying to mix Apples with rocks. They are not the same. These people know about God but have never accept God. You cannot mix the two together and try to prove we can lose our Salvation by sinning!
This is the problem with you KennethC, you are trying to deceive people with your false doctrines.
Could it be KennethC that you have never accepted Jesus and do not have the Indwelling of the Holy Spirit and this is why you are trying to deceive people with your false doctrines?
K
This is why people do not understand scripture because they only look at as they have been taught by another to see it just from one side.
He will never leave nor forsake us is talking about believers in Him who when going through hardships, trails, and tribulations here on earth. This has nothing to do with one who walks away from the faith in the Lord, as the bible says and shows can and will happen.
Apostle Paul repeats multiple times falling from, departing, and not continuing in the faith will and does happen.
Read Acts 20:28:31, Col. 1:21-23, 1 Corinthians 8:11, 9:27, James 5:12-20, 2 Peter 2:1-14, Galatians 5:1-4,13........
These are just a few and they are said to believers !!!
There are a number of other scriptures warning believers of returning to sin and leaving the faith as well.
You claim I am trying to deceive people but what you don't see is that me and you come from similar back grounds.
Both grown up in Baptist upbringings, went to the Catholic church for a little but left do to false teachings because of our Baptist roots that spotted this. The difference between you and me though is I left to go seeking God's truth by His word and His Holy Spirit's guidance to know His knowledge and truth, but you on the other hand left a bad doctrine to go to another in OSAS.
Calvin's teachings are full of controversy and lies when it comes to comparing it to scripture............
Learn the difference between stumbling and continuing to live a lifestyle of deliberate sinning and then maybe we can have a decent friendly debate. Until then your false discernment that has hatred behind it in your statements are clear evidence that you don't have the gift you claim to have.
I have accepted Jesus Christ as my Lord and Savior and I follow His teachings and commands out of that faith and love for Him. Even Jesus and His Holy Spirit said many will depart/fall from the faith (Matthew 24:10-13, 1 Timothy 4:1), please take your debate with them in prayer for understanding instead of trying to falsely accuse me of false teaching.
He will never leave nor forsake us is talking about believers in Him who when going through hardships, trails, and tribulations here on earth. This has nothing to do with one who walks away from the faith in the Lord, as the bible says and shows can and will happen.
Apostle Paul repeats multiple times falling from, departing, and not continuing in the faith will and does happen.
Read Acts 20:28:31, Col. 1:21-23, 1 Corinthians 8:11, 9:27, James 5:12-20, 2 Peter 2:1-14, Galatians 5:1-4,13........
These are just a few and they are said to believers !!!
There are a number of other scriptures warning believers of returning to sin and leaving the faith as well.
You claim I am trying to deceive people but what you don't see is that me and you come from similar back grounds.
Both grown up in Baptist upbringings, went to the Catholic church for a little but left do to false teachings because of our Baptist roots that spotted this. The difference between you and me though is I left to go seeking God's truth by His word and His Holy Spirit's guidance to know His knowledge and truth, but you on the other hand left a bad doctrine to go to another in OSAS.
Calvin's teachings are full of controversy and lies when it comes to comparing it to scripture............
Learn the difference between stumbling and continuing to live a lifestyle of deliberate sinning and then maybe we can have a decent friendly debate. Until then your false discernment that has hatred behind it in your statements are clear evidence that you don't have the gift you claim to have.
I have accepted Jesus Christ as my Lord and Savior and I follow His teachings and commands out of that faith and love for Him. Even Jesus and His Holy Spirit said many will depart/fall from the faith (Matthew 24:10-13, 1 Timothy 4:1), please take your debate with them in prayer for understanding instead of trying to falsely accuse me of false teaching.
K
The context is about being prepared for His return, and if the oil stands for the Holy Spirit then that would clearly be another example in scripture showing we have to do something to receive Him.
Hince:
Acts 5:32
And we are his witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Spirit, whom God hath given to them that obey Him.
Hince:
Acts 5:32
And we are his witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Spirit, whom God hath given to them that obey Him.