Is Eating meat of the dark forces what do u believe

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Yehoshua

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I personally have ate raw meat for 8 years all organs and everything because it was very helpful in getting healthy and the nutrition i needed over the last couple of years i have mostly been vegetarian because of my desire o be pure in consciousness not eating animals and it morally feels good but i think i may need some meat. though i still believe that killing animals is wrong it maybe that my genetics are benefited by small amounts of animal flesh yet this is my own thoughts wonder what others think? thx
 

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I think if you managed to eat raw meat for 8 years...

you can do ANYTHING.

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thanks maxwell
 
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Genesis 9:2-3
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And the fear of you and the dread of you shall be upon every beast of the earth, and upon every fowl of the air, upon all that moveth upon the earth, and upon all the fishes of the sea; into your hand are they delivered.

3 Every moving thing that liveth shall be meat for you; even as the green herb have I given you all things.

God gave use the meat of animals and fowl to eat and I mean to eat them. :)
 

BenFTW

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Eating meat isn't sinful, as God gave man permission after Noah's flood but keep in mind that such permission happened after the flood and not prior. So, for example, in the Garden of Eden Adam and Eve ate plant-based. Fruits and veggies and what not. Scripture itself says that He gave us plant-based food as to what we are to eat, shown in Genesis.

Genesis 1:29King James Version (KJV)

29 And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.

Now this isn't to say we can't eat meat. However, I would argue from the perspective that "all things are permissible but not all things edify." Meat is not a necessity for our health and well-being. If at creation we were eating plant-based, to me then that is something to strive for. Imagine, the argument that God gave us animals to eat isn't necessarily true because we didn't eat them at first and later in the future there will be a time where we once again seem to be at that place of peace and no destruction. This is shown in Isaiah.


Isaiah 11:6-9King James Version (KJV)

6 The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; and a little child shall lead them.
7 And the cow and the bear shall feed; their young ones shall lie down together: and the lion shall eat straw like the ox.
8 And the sucking child shall play on the hole of the asp, and the weaned child shall put his hand on the cockatrice' den.
9 They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain: for the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the Lord, as the waters cover the sea.

Imagine that, the lion eating straw like the ox. How cool is that? Even animals, carnivorous now, were once herbivores it seems (back in the garden).

So while it is permitted to eat meat, and drink milk (for example) such things are unnecessary for our health. They actually do damage to our health. Milk doesn't build strong bones, it actually leeches calcium from our bones to reduce the acidity the milk causes (because of its proteins). All nutrients and protein found in meat can be better absorbed through plant-based means and at the right amounts.

You would benefit in watching a documentary called Forks Over Knives, it will transform your life. The China Study is incredible, that is one point brought up in the documentary. Also tests were done to show that casein (in milk) at different levels either turned on or off cancer (off at 5%). Really intriguing information, when you get the time watch it. You'll be happy you did.
 

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In the beginning eating meat was not necessary. Every animal ate plants. But in a world made imperfect by sin, eating meat is necessary for some organisms. Including humans.

Notice what God told Adam and Eve when He put them in the garden of Eden. In Genesis 1:29-30 God told them (and all the rest of the animals) to eat "every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat." ("Meat" in this case does not mean "flesh" but "food.")

After Adam and Eve sinned, God's word changed a bit. As passing_through noted, God told Noah now they were to eat flesh as well. And that word has never changed since.

Raw, I don't know about. I'd cook it (unless it was sashimi... mmmmm, sushi with tuna sashimi!) But that's up to you, the eating-it-raw part.
 
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Jesus ate fish. Plus he fed fish to thousands of people. I hardly think you should worry about killing and eating animals. Even animals kill and eat other animals. :rolleyes:

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Jesus ate fish. Plus he fed fish to thousands of people. I hardly think you should worry about killing and eating animals. Even animals kill and eat other animals. :rolleyes:

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Well, a lot more people would be eating plant-based if they had to kill an animal to harvest the meat. I've seen videos where people have to do it first hand and its traumatic to them, they feel compassion for the animal (some making a commitment to eating vegetarian afterwards). I don't think God is smiling at what happens in slaughterhouses and in factory farming. If it brings tears to our eyes, what sorrow it must bring to God.

Even from an environmental perspective these things are ruining the planet and water reserves (watched Cowspiracy and learned this), something like 600 plus gallons of water for a single hamburger patty. There are a number of reasons to not kill animals, even beyond subjective moral reasons. Just for health. Leading cause of death is heart disease which is a dietary issue, caused by animal consumption. Diabetes too, caused by meat consumption (the fat) and not sugar as people seem to believe due to media.

I am not saying people can't eat meat, I am saying people are misinformed and therefore are not making informed decisions with what they are consuming. Documentaries can help in this area, such as Forks Over Knives, Food Inc, Cowspiracy, and from an ethical perspective Earthlings (this one isn't for the faint of heart, I watched it and would caution people to watch it... it was horrendously sad).

PS: I still eat meat, even knowing all of this. Yet, I desire to one day eat plant-based. Probably something more along the lines of The Starch Solution by Dr John McDougall.
 
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GOD gave mankind dominion over the animals...sounds like the lack of natural protein found in animal meat is only meant for the good of man... since GOD pronounced all of His creation as "GOOD". People also have various definitions as to what makes them feel "morally good". Keep in mind, GOD will never ask you "DID you stay pure in your conscience and feel morally good by not eating animals? But, GOD will ask you "DID you not enjoy the LIVING BREAD that I personally gave to you, via my SON JESUS?"
 

maxwel

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Well, a lot more people would be eating plant-based if they had to kill an animal to harvest the meat. I've seen videos where people have to do it first hand and its traumatic to them, they feel compassion for the animal (some making a commitment to eating vegetarian afterwards). I don't think God is smiling at what happens in slaughterhouses and in factory farming. If it brings tears to our eyes, what sorrow it must bring to God.

Even from an environmental perspective these things are ruining the planet and water reserves (watched Cowspiracy and learned this), something like 600 plus gallons of water for a single hamburger patty. There are a number of reasons to not kill animals, even beyond subjective moral reasons. Just for health. Leading cause of death is heart disease which is a dietary issue, caused by animal consumption. Diabetes too, caused by meat consumption (the fat) and not sugar as people seem to believe due to media.

I am not saying people can't eat meat, I am saying people are misinformed and therefore are not making informed decisions with what they are consuming. Documentaries can help in this area, such as Forks Over Knives, Food Inc, Cowspiracy, and from an ethical perspective Earthlings (this one isn't for the faint of heart, I watched it and would caution people to watch it... it was horrendously sad).

PS: I still eat meat, even knowing all of this. Yet, I desire to one day eat plant-based. Probably something more along the lines of The Starch Solution by Dr John McDougall.
I think it's fine if you decide to go vegetarian.

But no amount of scary videos are going to prevent me from eating anything that wanders into my yard.


I guess that's why the neighbors never come over.
: )
 

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I think it's fine if you decide to go vegetarian.

But no amount of scary videos are going to prevent me from eating anything that wanders into my yard.


I guess that's why the neighbors never come over.
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I don't really think its meant to scare you, so much as awaken you. Its meant to lay out the facts and allow you to make a decision towards a healthy life style or not. Its a personal decision and it neither condemns you nor saves you. I enjoy meat, don't get me wrong. lol I don't think that many people go vegan or plant-based because meat didn't taste good. It was for health or ethical reasons. Some environmental.
 
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11 He saw heaven opened h and an object that resembled a large sheet coming down, being lowered by its four corners to the earth. 12 In it were all the four-footed animals and reptiles of the earth, and the birds of the sky. 13 Then a voice said to him, “Get up, Peter; kill and eat! ”

Sounds very clear to me.
 
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Well, a lot more people would be eating plant-based if they had to kill an animal to harvest the meat. I've seen videos where people have to do it first hand and its traumatic to them, they feel compassion for the animal (some making a commitment to eating vegetarian afterwards). I don't think God is smiling at what happens in slaughterhouses and in factory farming. If it brings tears to our eyes, what sorrow it must bring to God.

PS: I still eat meat, even knowing all of this. Yet, I desire to one day eat plant-based. Probably something more along the lines of The Starch Solution by Dr John McDougall.
I suppose growing up around farms gives you a different perspective on eating animals. I do agree that the conditions in a factory farm are horrendous, and would prefer to buy products from animal raised on a farm where the animals were treated humanely. When I was young we raised rabbits and when they were old enough it was the job of my older brother and I to kill and clean them for meat. Some of the rabbit meat we would sell in town to make a little money.
 
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I don't really think its meant to scare you, so much as awaken you. Its meant to lay out the facts and allow you to make a decision towards a healthy life style or not. Its a personal decision and it neither condemns you nor saves you. I enjoy meat, don't get me wrong. lol I don't think that many people go vegan or plant-based because meat didn't taste good. It was for health or ethical reasons. Some environmental.
I have to disagree with the idea that vegan or plant based is healthier, and I would suggest that those who say it is, have an agenda that biases the information they present. If I remember the details from a program I watched, cooked meat gives a lot more energy to the organism, compared to uncooked meat or fruits and vegetables, partly because it takes less energy to digest it.
 

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I have to disagree with the idea that vegan or plant based is healthier, and I would suggest that those who say it is, have an agenda that biases the information they present. If I remember the details from a program I watched, cooked meat gives a lot more energy to the organism, compared to uncooked meat or fruits and vegetables, partly because it takes less energy to digest it.
That program is incorrect because our bodies and brain run on glucose. That is the energy of the body and if we take in too much it turns into glycogen and is stored in the muscles. Glucose comes from carbohydrates, starches like sweet potatoes or brown rice. That is where our fuel truly comes from. A plant-based whole foods diet is far healthier than the American diet, but then again, a lot of diets are. haha

I didn't learn all of this with a bias towards veganism, but rather from the perspective that I have eaten meat since I was a kid. My whole life and to this day. Yet, I am aware of the information available in The China Study and in the documentary Forks Over Knives that clearly reveal what the leading cause of disease is. Animal products. Even knowing this, I still consume meat but as I said, wish to one day be more plant-based.
 
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That program is incorrect because our bodies and brain run on glucose. That is the energy of the body and if we take in too much it turns into glycogen and is stored in the muscles. Glucose comes from carbohydrates, starches like sweet potatoes or brown rice. That is where our fuel truly comes from. A plant-based whole foods diet is far healthier than the American diet, but then again, a lot of diets are. haha

I didn't learn all of this with a bias towards veganism, but rather from the perspective that I have eaten meat since I was a kid. My whole life and to this day. Yet, I am aware of the information available in The China Study and in the documentary Forks Over Knives that clearly reveal what the leading cause of disease is. Animal products. Even knowing this, I still consume meat but as I said, wish to one day be more plant-based.
Glucose can be synthesized by the body from fat, and the best source of fat is animal products, and some fatty acids cannot be synthesized by the body and must be gotten from the food we eat.
 

maxwel

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The healthiest source of nutrients may come from eating vegetarians.
 

BenFTW

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The healthiest source of nutrients may come from eating vegetarians.
Why do that? Just skip to the source, the veggies where their health comes from. lol Its like people eating meat for protein, but the cow gets its protein from grass. Why not just go to the source of the nutrients instead of a middle man? I know, common sense. lol
 
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None of this stuff about meat being an essential part of the human diet is true. In fact, there are more studies than enough that show eating large quantities of meat only became normal for humans around the time of the advent of farming and growing crops like wheat and barley (which humans used to use as currency).

Glucose (as mentioned in one of the above posts, as BenFTW pointed out) is a simple sugar that the body can get from any carbohydrates or fats. Glocuse, out of all the natural foods humans eat, is most readily found in fruits (although nowadays it's most readily found in Snickers bars and sugar cubes, sadly). As for what is essential to the human body, I have a list:

Oxygen (from the air)
Nitrogen (from the air)
Water
Calcium
Magnesium
Zinc
Iron
Vitamins A, B1 - B12 (B12 being the often cited "essential vitamin from meat", which is actually false. Vitamin B12 is synthesized in the digestive tract by bacteria, and is found in seaweed, fungi [like mushrooms], brown rice, and many vegetables), C, D (from sunlight), E, Vitamin F (Omega 6), Vitamin G (or riboflavin, which is actually part of the vitamin B group, but anyway), Vitamin H (biotin), Vitamin J (choline), Vitamin K, Vitamin M (again another B group vitamin, called folic acid).
Amino acids (or proteins)
Non-synthesizable fatty acids (eicasonoids, endocannibinoids, lipoxins, eisofurans, neurofurans, hepoxilines etc)
Potassium
Sulfur
Phosphorus
Sodium
Chlorine

And in extremely small amounts:

Boron (from the air, mostly)
Chromium
Copper
Flourine
Iodine
Manganese
Molybdenum
Selenium
Silicon
Tin
and Vanadium

And actually, fruits and nuts (the diet of most primates), as a collective group of foods, are the only foods from which every single one of these nutrients can be taken. Meat is a dense source of energy, yes, and we can digest it, but our flat molars, long digestive tracts, relatively high food intake needs in proportion to body mass when compared with carnivorous animals like cats, our lack of natural predatory instinct (like, again, cats, who hunt as kittens), and our natural emotional affinity with other mammals indicate that we are not made to eat high quantities of meat.

In fact, if you look at the American diet, it consists of a lot of refined sugar (without the fibrous material of fruits), relatively low green intakes, a huge vitamin deficiency problem and an abnormally high meat content, and of course lots of fat. America is at present the most obese nation on Earth (coronary heart disease is by far the biggest killer in the US). Contrast that with India, which is a predominantly vegetarian society, who have one of the lowest obesity rates on Earth. You are about twice as likely to develop coronary heart disease in America as you are in India. Unfortunately India is also a society with one of the highest infectious disease rates (it's basically a tropical country), one of the highest wealth disparities, highest numbers of unvaccinated children, largest smog problems, and highest poverty rates, so their life expectancy is somewhat less than an American's (the 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th and 7th biggest killers in India are lung disease, diarrhoea, influenza/pneumonia, low birth weight and tuberculosis respectively).

Anyway, recent studies carried out in developed countries have shown that two people in the same culture, one who eats a significant amount of meat, and another who is on a fully nutritious vegetarian diet, will live different lengths. The average result was that a vegetarian woman would live about 5 years longer than the meat eating woman, and the vegetarian man would live about 7 years longer than the meat eating man.


With all that said, I eat meat.
 
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