Is the Devil bound right now...?

[cupid]

As to Revelation there is no continuous sequence. It is divided into seven parts, each part is explaining the time span between the Advents. Within those parts are three sections, the first dealing with the reality of the Churches in this world. The second a combination of man in this world and the real battle that is going on between God and Satan. The last is solely about the spiritual battle of the Kingdom of God with that of the Kingdom of Satan.

Did you know that Revelation was written 200 years on more, before Jesus was even born?
The NT Revelation is identical to what was once a Hebrew prophecy.
Jesus merely added the first three chapter.

The Jewish Encyclopedia will tell you all about it:
REVELATION (BOOK OF) - JewishEncyclopedia.com

 

[Ahwatukee]

Did you know that Revelation was written 200 years on more, before Jesus was even born?
The NT Revelation is identical to what was once a Hebrew prophecy.
Jesus merely added the first three chapter.

The Jewish Encyclopedia will tell you all about it:
REVELATION (BOOK OF) - JewishEncyclopedia.com

Hi Cupid,

I don't where you got your information from, but the book of Revelation kills that idea in the very first verse of Revelation:

"The revelation from Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show his servants what must soon take place. He made it known by sending his angel to his servant John, who testifies to everything he saw—that is, the word of God and the testimony of Jesus Christ."

The word "apokalupsis" translated "Revelation" is defined as:

("revelation, unveiling") is principally used of the revelation of Jesus Christ (the Word), especially a particular (spiritual) manifestation of Christ (His will) previously unknown to the extent (because "veiled, covered").

God gave Christ this information and he sent his angel to John with this information contained in the book which was a disclosure of truth, instruction, concerning divine things previously unknown. Therefore, it could not have been written 200 years or more before John received it. This also means that Jesus could not have only supplied the first three chapters and that because he was given this information to John to show him the things which must soon take place, namely, the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments of God's wrath, as well as the rest of the information contained therein. To be clear, some of this information was only known in part by the prophets as "the day of the Lord". The book of Revelation is a detailed account of the day of the Lord, that time of wrath.

My sincere advice to you is to stop getting your information off the internet and stick to the word of God, because Satan seems to be using that as venue to distort God's word and many are being led astray by these false teachings.

 

[cupid]

Hi Cupid,

I don't where you got your information from, but the book of Revelation kills that idea in the very first verse of Revelation:

"The revelation from Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show his servants what must soon take place. He made it known by sending his angel to his servant John, who testifies to everything he saw—that is, the word of God and the testimony of Jesus Christ."

The word "apokalupsis" translated "Revelation" is defined as:

("revelation, unveiling") is principally used of the revelation of Jesus Christ (the Word), especially a particular (spiritual) manifestation of Christ (His will) previously unknown to the extent (because "veiled, covered").

God gave Christ this information and he sent his angel to John with this information contained in the book which was a disclosure of truth, instruction, concerning divine things previously unknown. Therefore, it could not have been written 200 years or more before John received it. This also means that Jesus could not have only supplied the first three chapters and that because he was given this information to John to show him the things which must soon take place, namely, the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments of God's wrath, as well as the rest of the information contained therein. To be clear, some of this information was only known in part by the prophets as "the day of the Lord". The book of Revelation is a detailed account of the day of the Lord, that time of wrath.

My sincere advice to you is to stop getting your information off the internet and stick to the word of God, because Satan seems to be using that as venue to distort God's word and many are being led astray by these false teachings.

Jesus did send the letter to John.
And the first three chapters were added to the text of what Jews had written 200 years before Jesus was even born.
The Jews were shocked to discover this too,because it makes the writing legitimate for them to read and believe too.

You can say that Jesus plagiarized from chapters 4 through 22 if you want.

What I see is that Jesus especially wanted the Christians to read and believe Revelation.
Then he wanted for the Jews to find out its all Jewish.
That way, they can't just discard it as christian stuff.

 

[Ahwatukee]

Jesus did send the letter to John.
And the first three chapters were added to the text of what Jews had written 200 years before Jesus was even born.
The Jews were shocked to discover this too,because it makes the writing legitimate for them to read and believe too.

You can say that Jesus plagiarized from chapters 4 through 22 if you want.

What I see is that Jesus especially wanted the Christians to read and believe Revelation.
Then he wanted for the Jews to find out its all Jewish.
That way, they can't just discard it as christian stuff.

I tell you the truth, what John received from the angel, was the first time it was given. You didn't understand what I said about the word "Apokalupsis" which means that information previous to that time was unknown. When John received the Revelation, that was the first time that it had been revealed and that because prior to that it was veiled, unknown. where are you getting your information from regarding your claim?

You can say that Jesus plagiarized from chapters 4 through 22 if you want.

I never said that Jesus plagiarized anything. The information that Jesus gave John came from God the Father and Jesus sent his angel to John to give him that information. When John received it, that was time it had been revealed.

 

[Cassian]

Satan was bound for 1000 years during the Monastic Age of the universal church over the whole Roman World:

Rev. 20:3 And cast him, (this dragon, the subtle cultural system of exploitative sexual mores, that old serpent, cultural Paganism), into the bottomless pit (of time), and shut him, (Satan), up (Monasticism for 1000 years so as to inhibit the culture of libidinal freedom and sexual excess), and set a seal, (the Cross), upon him, that he (could not maintain that pagan, astrological/mythological sexually promiscuous religious subculture that) should deceive the nations (in the Western world) no more (with his pagan culture), ...
... till the thousand years (of the Dark Age of Monasticism) should be fulfilled (and the Renaissance of the Beast begin):
and after that, (in The Renaissance), he must be loosed (to open the adolescent subculture of ever increasing sexual permissiveness) a little season (of @ 1000 years: [Rev 20:2]).


... but now he is loose...

How many more different theories can we come up with?

 

[Cassian]

Ahwatukee,

This is one of the problems and that is, you don't listen! How can what I have presented be a "modern, man made interpretation, when I am not getting it from any man, but listed it straight from Scripture and even supplied the scripture?

Can I assume you are not a man? If you got it from scripture based on your interpretation it is from a man, namely you. However, it seems every man wants to stroke his ego and claim the basis as his own along with his own adaptations. The theory you are espousing, the root theory comes from Miller in the 1820's. It really did not have much affect until Lindsey and others popularized it.

Scripture: And I saw an angel coming down out of heaven, having the key to the Abyss
Me: John sees an angel coming down out of heaven having the key to the Abyss
Scripture: He seized the dragon, that ancient serpent, who is the devil, or Satan, and bound him for a thousand years
Me: The angel seizes the dragon who is Satan and binds for a thousand years in the Abyss
Scripture: He threw him into the Abyss, and locked and sealed it over him, to keep him from deceiving the nations anymore until the thousand years were ended.
Me: The angel throws Satan into the Abyss and locks him in for a thousand years to keep Satan from deceiving the nations until the thousand years have ended.
Scripture: After that, he must be set free for a short time.
Me: At the end of the thousand years Satan will be released for a short time.
Now Cassian, as you can see above, I am believing and repeating verbatim what the scripture says. Therefore, how can you say that what I am teaching is "modern man made interpretations"? If you were to do the same thing as above, it would be ridiculously distorted and that because your response would not match anything in the scripture. Try it and show everyone your results, just like I did. Because then you are going to have to be explaining your deviation from Scripture and it will be obvious.

have done it several times already. There is no distortion whatsoever. It balances perfectly with the rest of scripture. Chapter 20 is the beginning of the seventh section of Revelation where the time period between the advents takes place. Something the premillennial theory does not do.

Since then there has not been an issue within the Church regarding Chilism or the modern versions. The above has noting to do with me nor does it affect me and that because none of what I know has come from the teachings of men.

All you have is of men and nothing of the Holy Spirit as He gave it to the Apostles, in this case John.
If you believe it has been the Gospel from the beginning and the Church has always held to this belief, present the facts that the early Church held to this view.

I have studied the word of God for over 40 years and everything that I am proclaiming comes from those studies, not from pastors and so on, or from this guy's book or the internet, but from many of years of study of God's word. So, please stop applying your assumption upon me. I have just provided scripture for you and put my meaning of each part of the scripture right underneath it. Trying doing the same for everyone to see and I will prove my point.

All you can do is show that it is YOUR view and nothing else. If this could even be your theory based solely upon your study, it would still be an man made theory. You have lots of competition. Do you plan to write a book on your theory like so many of the others?
Man, individual man has never had authority over scripture to interpret it. Historically, every single person who tried to impose his views upon scripture has failed. You are kicking a brick wall. You cannot change the Gospel and what it means as it was given in the beginning and preserved by the Holy Spirit working in and through His Church, the Body of Christ.
Every sola scripturist ardently proclaims that their interpretations is the Gospel. What would make you any different.

 

[Ahwatukee]

Ahwatukee,

Can I assume you are not a man? If you got it from scripture based on your interpretation it is from a man, namely you. However, it seems every man wants to stroke his ego and claim the basis as his own along with his own adaptations. The theory you are espousing, the root theory comes from Miller in the 1820's. It really did not have much affect until Lindsey and others popularized it.
have done it several times already. There is no distortion whatsoever. It balances perfectly with the rest of scripture. Chapter 20 is the beginning of the seventh section of Revelation where the time period between the advents takes place. Something the premillennial theory does not do.

All you have is of men and nothing of the Holy Spirit as He gave it to the Apostles, in this case John.
If you believe it has been the Gospel from the beginning and the Church has always held to this belief, present the facts that the early Church held to this view.

All you can do is show that it is YOUR view and nothing else. If this could even be your theory based solely upon your study, it would still be an man made theory. You have lots of competition. Do you plan to write a book on your theory like so many of the others?
Man, individual man has never had authority over scripture to interpret it. Historically, every single person who tried to impose his views upon scripture has failed. You are kicking a brick wall. You cannot change the Gospel and what it means as it was given in the beginning and preserved by the Holy Spirit working in and through His Church, the Body of Christ.
Every sola scripturist ardently proclaims that their interpretations is the Gospel. What would make you any different.

I guess that you are just going to have to find out the truth the hard way.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

The iron rod is the Bible, and especially during the 1000 year church of the monastic Age in medieval times, it was what ruled over the fallen Roman Empire.
It was Theocracy then.

The Bible was like the Constitution.

um, That was tyranny and murder in the name of God.

that was not the iron rod.

When jesus comes, He will judge with a rod. but he will judge righteous judgment. Not based on his will, but his fathers. He will still do his fathers will

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I don't see any evidence from you that would refute the texts I posted regarding the binding of Satan. Where is your evidence that he was not or has not yet been bound?

The news, the world. The scripture I have posted over and over.

Oh that's right, You do not hold scripture as your sole source of material.

So far in this post, no one has posted any evidence that would refute scripture that Christ bound Satan by death and His resurrection. The evidence you present needs to show that Christ has not yet come as the Messiah. When He does come He does not come to defeat death, the power of Satan. Need to show that Christ was never resurrected.

Can you do that? If you can then you have made a point in refuting that Satan is not bound now.

You need to go back and read. Ample evidence has been given by many of is

Of course, your not seeking truth, and you would never change even if you heard truth, Because you trust men more than the word of God.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Nah,...
Once the Jews accept Jesus he reigns forever.

Rev 22:5 And there shall be no night there; and they need no candle, neither light of the sun; for the Lord God giveth them light: and they shall reign for ever and ever.

um, That's eternity

After the tribulation, After the 1000 year reign, After the final release of satan, After the final crush of satans last stand. After the destruction of the heaven and earth, and after the great white throne jugment.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Satan was bound for 1000 years during the Monastic Age of the universal church over the whole Roman World:

Rev. 20:3 And cast him, (this dragon, the subtle cultural system of exploitative sexual mores, that old serpent, cultural Paganism), into the bottomless pit (of time), and shut him, (Satan), up (Monasticism for 1000 years so as to inhibit the culture of libidinal freedom and sexual excess), and set a seal, (the Cross), upon him, that he (could not maintain that pagan, astrological/mythological sexually promiscuous religious subculture that) should deceive the nations (in the Western world) no more (with his pagan culture), ...
... till the thousand years (of the Dark Age of Monasticism) should be fulfilled (and the Renaissance of the Beast begin):
and after that, (in The Renaissance), he must be loosed (to open the adolescent subculture of ever increasing sexual permissiveness) a little season (of @ 1000 years: [Rev 20:2]).


... but now he is loose...

wow. even more false truths.

Satan controlled the kings of those days, He was not bound. That's wishful thinking

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Did you know that Revelation was written 200 years on more, before Jesus was even born?
The NT Revelation is identical to what was once a Hebrew prophecy.
Jesus merely added the first three chapter.

The Jewish Encyclopedia will tell you all about it:
REVELATION (BOOK OF) - JewishEncyclopedia.com

That's interesting. Since revelation was written and given to the apostle John. After Jesus left this earth.

of course it is like a Hebrew prophesy, they were all written by the same God.

 

[Ahwatukee]

The news, the world. The scripture I have posted over and over.

Oh that's right, You do not hold scripture as your sole source of material.

You need to go back and read. Ample evidence has been given by many of is

Of course, your not seeking truth, and you would never change even if you heard truth, Because you trust men more than the word of God.

Exactly! That is what I have been trying to get him and Bowman to understand, but because of the brain-washing of A-Millennialism, they are not willing to budge from that adopted teaching. So, I have shaken the dust of my feet as a testimony against them and they will have to find out the hard way by going through it, that is, if they will even recognize the events when they happen. I have spoken to this amil group many times and provided them with proof of chip implants under the skin being done and the say to me that it is ludicrous! As though it had nothing to do with prophesy. So, I'm thinking that they will ignore the plain truth of Scripture even while it is playing out right in front of their very eyes. A-Millennialism is one of the most deceptive false teachings there is. Very sad indeed!

 

[Ahwatukee]

um, That was tyranny and murder in the name of God.

that was not the iron rod.

When jesus comes, He will judge with a rod. but he will judge righteous judgment. Not based on his will, but his fathers. He will still do his fathers will

From Galaxy Quest:

Crewman number 6/Guy: Do any of you guys actually watch the Show?!!!

 

[Bowman]

Church, don't beware of your adversary the Devil because he is bound. Right Bowman.

Beware of his henchmen...

 

[Bowman]

Do you ever think through what these verses are saying?

Christ is the first fruits of those who will be resurrected from the dead PERMANENTLY. THAT HAPPENS TO US WHEN HE COMES AGAIN TO CALL OUT HIS BRIDE THE ASSEMBLY; NOT HIS FIRST COMING. Have you ever studied the Festival of First Fruits and How GOD commanded it to be celebrated. THE Harvest comes LATER after the First Fruits are offered:



The First Fruits wave offering is ALWAYS cut from the young immature wheat that IS NOT READY TO HARVEST YET.



The HARVEST is cut SOME TIME LATER after the ENTIRE FIELD has matured.

The Festival of First Fruits - video by Zola Levitt
ZLM Video: “First Fruits — The Resurrection”

Where's the scripture...?

 

[Cassian]

I guess that you are just going to have to find out the truth the hard way.

By the fact you have nothing to refute scripture I have posted, says a lot about who will find out the hard way.

 

[cupid]

How many more different theories can we come up with?

History must correspond with prophecies which have been fulfilled.
And we must see that the prophecies used in one matter are used again when the same symbolism and/or descriptions are stated again.

Fr instance, the seen head beast show u a number of times.
The description needs be used in the same way in all cases.

For Rev 20:4 we can see that Matthew 24:30 repeats the same historical events as the universal church formation during the Dark Ages:

Matt. 24:30 And then, (hearlding the end of pagan astrological worship), shall appear (in the clouds, to Constantine and 10,000 soldiers: [As reported to us by the historian Eusibius]), the sign, (i.e. The Cross), of the Son of man in heaven, (ushering forth the new paradigm of monotheistic Hebrew Christianity): and then shall all the tribes of the earth (in the Western European Roman Empire) mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming, in the clouds of heaven (enveloping the universality of Christ's Church on earth, in the manifestation of Age of Monasticism): with (socio-political) power (in the establishment of Universal Mandatory Roman Christianity) and great glory (in mandatory Universal Christian worship throughout all the Roman World).

 

[Bowman]

Here is the Scripture in question.

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"And I saw an angel coming down out of heaven, having the key to the Abyss and holding in his hand a great chain. He seized the dragon, that ancient serpent, who is the devil, or Satan, and bound him for a thousand years. He threw him into the Abyss, and locked and sealed it over him, to keep him from deceiving the nations anymore until the thousand years were ended. After that, he must be set free for a short time."
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And I saw a Messenger coming down out of Heaven, having the key of the abyss, and a great chain on his hand. And he laid hold of the dragon, the old serpentwho is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years, and threw him into the abyss, and shut him up, and sealed over him, that he should not still lead astray the nations, until the thousand years are fulfilled. And after these things, he must be set loose a little time. And I saw thrones, and they sat on them. And judgment was given to them, and the souls of the ones having been beheaded because of the witness of Jesus, and because of the Word of God, and who had not worshiped the beast nor its image, and had not received the mark on their forehead and on their hand. And they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. (Rev 20.1 – 4)





By providing four epithets each to that of Jesus and that of Satan, Revelation informs the reader quite plainly that it was Jesus who bound The Devil.

As further proof, we were already informed, way back in Rev 1.18, that ONLY Jesus holds the ‘keys’ to the events in Revelation – thus, this can only mean that the ‘Messenger’, having the key, here IS Jesus…and, as already seen in scripture, Jesus’ binds Satan at The Cross.

Yet another in a steady stream of scriptures denouncing a literal ‘1k year reign’.

But....you take it literally, along with the abyss....so....to be consistent...what do you think that 'key' looks like.....is it a gigantic skeleton key, perhaps...rotflol....!

 

[Ahwatukee]

Where's the scripture...?

Scripture doesn't work with you guy's. That is one of the characteristics of A-Millennialism is that they have been taught a pre-packaged interpretation for most every biblical topic and they ignore the literal context of Scripture. The examples are Scripture says, Satan will be bound for thousand years and you distort that making the thousand years mean something other than what it says. Scripture states that Satan will be bound in the Abyss, you say, the Abyss is not a real place. Scripture demonstrates that the binding of Satan takes place after Christ returns to the earth to end the age and you say, he already returned at the destruction of the temple and we are already living in the thousand years that isn't a real thousand years, but is unknown.

Therefore, it is a waste of time to continue to provide scripture when you don't take the literal meaning, but instead spiritualize it into something that you've been taught by false teachers. You, like Cassian are going to have to find out the truth the hard way, that is, by experiencing everything that you are not believing in, unfortunately.