3rd Temple Updates

[MahogonySnail]

15 people were killed by rocket fire from 2001 to 2008.


List of Palestinian rocket attacks on Israel, 2001–2006

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Qassam_rocket_attacks


The Palestians just aren't giving the same number of civilian casualties to Israel than what Israel give back.

 

[Cup-of-Ruin]

or this wall;





looks more like a prison enclosure, hardly a 'camp of saints' Rev. 20:7-9, or the unwalled villages of Ezekiel 38:11

 

[superdave5221]

Yes, and everyone knows the media doesn't lie and if you've seen it on TV, it happened!

Also, a little fyi on the enemies of Israel - THEY HIDE AMONG CIVILIANS. It's impossible to take them out without hitting civilians.

Besides, it's war. People die in war. This should not be a shock.

Wow, for once I have to side with you Nuhen. Civilian deaths in Palestine are the direct responsibility of the Palestinian combatants themselves who hide in mosques and behind civilian targets. One war that the Palestinians have become very adept at, and have been winning from day one, is the war of world public opinion. This is done because of a very accomodating media which targets these victims, and is quick to blame Israel and the U.S. The terrorists use these innocent victims as pawns in their "public opinion" game, and obviously feel that their loss is acceptable in order for them to achieve their goals.

 

[MahogonySnail]

That they hide amongst civilians is a myth, it was a myth in the Lebanon war, the Israelis targeted civilinian infrastructure and areas where there were few militants at all. Like that village which was mostly Christian.

 

[Cup-of-Ruin]

Wow, for once I have to side with you Nuhen. Civilian deaths in Palestine are the direct responsibility of the Palestinian combatants themselves who hide in mosques and behind civilian targets. One war that the Palestinians have become very adept at, and have been winning from day one, is the war of world public opinion. This is done because of a very accomodating media which targets these victims, and is quick to blame Israel and the U.S. The terrorists use these innocent victims as pawns in their "public opinion" game, and obviously feel that their loss is acceptable in order for them to achieve their goals.

It is not legal to kill an innocent because it is your opinion that there is a 'terrorist' hiding behind them. For example it would be illegal if there was a criminal hiding in your house for me to blow up your house with you in your family in it, in order to kill a suspect criminal, who has neither been tried or had a chance to defend himself in a court of law, you are innocent till proven guilty, thats what law courts are for, there needs to be evidence and witnesses and a jury and a judge and the accused has the right to organize a defense, you just cannot go out and bomb a city because you believe there is someone there who wronged you, thats not how its works, thats just extremely primitive and crude and without legal standing.

 

[superdave5221]

It is not legal to kill an innocent because it is your opinion that there is a 'terrorist' hiding behind them. For example it would be illegal if there was a criminal hiding in your house for me to blow up your house with you in your family in it, in order to kill a suspect criminal, who has neither been tried or had a chance to defend himself in a court of law, you are innocent till proven guilty, thats what law courts are for, there needs to be evidence and witnesses and a jury and a judge and the accused has the right to organize a defense, you just cannot go out and bomb a city because you believe there is someone there who wronged you, thats not how its works, thats just extremely primitive and crude and without legal standing.

It is not legal to kill an innocent, and no one does so on purpose. Your analogy does not apply in matters of war. If not for the carpet bombing of French and German cities in WWII, millions more would have died and we would be saluting a picture of Hitler today. Obviously you've never had someone shooting at you and stopped to consider if that person would be found guilty in a court of law before shooting back. You would be dead and the enemy would win. It is so easy and convient for us to go home to our safe houses and pass judgement on those who are living with violence and death on a daily basis. If you had a child who had a leg blown off by a terrorist explosion in an ice cream shop, you might not be so quick to judge the methods used to try and prevent such actions in the future. As long as Satan has free rein to inflict pain and suffering in this world, it is unrealistic to expect that innocent people will not be harmed. It is also unrealistic to expect a people to not do all that is in their power to defend and protect their families from this senseless violence being inflicted on them, a violence that is fully supported by words in the courts of public opinion.

 

[Nuhen]

Wow, for once I have to side with you Nuhen.

I may or may not be right in religious matters, but if there's one thing I KNOW I'm right about, it's my country

 

[Nuhen]

That they hide amongst civilians is a myth, it was a myth in the Lebanon war, the Israelis targeted civilinian infrastructure and areas where there were few militants at all. Like that village which was mostly Christian.

Actually, it's not a myth. It's a fact.

Also, for all their human rights violations, the IDF (Israeli army) remains the most humane army on the planet. They spent three weeks warning the civilians in Gaza that they had to come through to take out the terrorists and gave them places to stay within Israel that were better than the places they lived in in Gaza. THREE WEEKS where they helped the civilians that listened to safety before they started the offensive.

What followed right behind the army as they plowed through Gaza? Ambulances and Israeli medics who tended to wounded civilians before wounded soldiers.

Not to mention a few years back, two terrorists attacked three Israeli hikers and killed two. One of the two terrorists was killed, the other severely wounded. When the Israeli police came in, they gave the wounded terrorist the best medical care in Israel, regardless of what he did.

These are the facts. I suggest you stop listening to the lies of the media, it just makes you look ignorant.

 

[Cup-of-Ruin]

This is a link to photographic evidence of jewish war crimes and crimes against humanity;

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=7942

Warning - contains disturbing images.

Clearly the jews are unrepentant so the full force of international law and condemnation will be brought against them, and this is all going ahead AND WILL HAPPEN!

The conductors and executors of these crimes will be brought to justice and not only against Palestinians but many other surrounding nations, also for murders inside Israel of foriegners, reporters and aid workers, all of this will not be just forgotten, on the contrary it will be remembered and justice and truth will be done, on earth as it is in heaven.

 

[Nuhen]

Blah blah blah. Mean old Israel bullying the poor, innocent Palestinians. If I didn't hear this kind of biased, ignorant drivel all over the news, I'd be more willing to hear you out.

 

[Nuhen]

15 people were killed by rocket fire from 2001 to 2008.


List of Palestinian rocket attacks on Israel, 2001–2006

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Qassam_rocket_attacks


The Palestians just aren't giving the same number of civilian casualties to Israel than what Israel give back.

So, that makes Israel in the wrong because they're better at surviving? I'll have to call my buddy over in Tel-Aviv and tell him to have the army die better. Even out the numbers.

[/sarcasm]

 

[Thantali]

That they hide amongst civilians is a myth, it was a myth in the Lebanon war, the Israelis targeted civilinian infrastructure and areas where there were few militants at all. Like that village which was mostly Christian.

Just as Hitler's concentration camps were a myth? Please tell me you don't actually believe that...

 

[Cup-of-Ruin]

Blah blah blah. Mean old Israel bullying the poor, innocent Palestinians. If I didn't hear this kind of biased, ignorant drivel all over the news, I'd be more willing to hear you out.

Don't trivialize it, not being willing to acknowledge the truth is just unrepentent, that's all, that's all it is.

 

[Nuhen]

Don't trivialize it, not being willing to acknowledge the truth is just unrepentent, that's all, that's all it is.

Look in a mirror, Cup.

 

[Cup-of-Ruin]

So, that makes Israel in the wrong because they're better at surviving? I'll have to call my buddy over in Tel-Aviv and tell him to have the army die better. Even out the numbers.

[/sarcasm]

How would be if a murderer of an innocent child pleaded not guilty on the basis that he was 'better at surviving', by saying that just makes the crime even worse than what it already is.

 

[Nuhen]

How would be if a murderer of an innocent child pleaded not guilty on the basis that he was 'better at surviving', by saying that just makes the crime even worse than what it already is.

I was being sarcastic. 'Snail was seeming to say that the Israelis are the criminals and the Palestinians are the innocent ones just because the Palestinians die more often and the Israelis are good at surviving.

 

[Cup-of-Ruin]

I was being sarcastic. 'Snail was seeming to say that the Israelis are the criminals and the Palestinians are the innocent ones just because the Palestinians die more often and the Israelis are good at surviving.

Well don't be sarcastic then, its the lowest form of humour.

 

[Nuhen]

Well don't be sarcastic then, its the lowest form of humour.

I'd rather not give up sarcasm. It may be the lowest form of humour to you, but as for me, I find it downright hilarious

 

[Stuey]

That they hide amongst civilians is a myth, it was a myth in the Lebanon war, the Israelis targeted civilinian infrastructure and areas where there were few militants at all. Like that village which was mostly Christian.

And just what are you basing this opinion on?

Unfortunately I don't think we can decide either way on these issues, the media is too biased and untrustworthy - even if a particular news source is trustworthy, what they report is limited to what they can access and what is safe to access.

Now people keep comparing the civialian casualties between israel and lebanon, if rockets were getting sent to israel first, are they not entitled to retaliate rather than sit there and take the rockets? It is unfortunate but civilian casualties are a reality of war, and they are higher in the country getting invaded for obvious reasons...

Now most of this is my opinion ... but We can't trust the media as much as we'd like to.

 

[MahogonySnail]

That militants hide amongst civilian populations is the excuse whenever a civilian home is destroyed. But they never have any solid intel or proof that there are militants hiding in there. In fact in the lebanon conflict there were no militants near quite a few of the civilian targets, but Israel targeted them anyway such as schools, hospitals etc because they were called "militant supporting infrastructure" . In any case, reason dictates that you do not fire upon a civilian home if there are innocents in there. That is the difference between a civilised modern army and murderers. That Israelis deliberately targeted civilian targets is solid fact, as recorded by quite a number of humanitarian organisations who were on the ground when the conflitc happened.