Is the Devil bound right now...?

[valiant]

No, you are looking in a mirror.

with you standing behind me you are a propagator of Satan's lies as postulated by Darby and his ilk

 

[valiant]

Non issue

The martyrs seen in heaven early on in HEAVEN call that period GREAT TRIBULATION.

Read it again. It is in fact 7yrs of judgement with more intensity in the last half.

According to you heaven made a mistake in calling it the GREAT TRIBULATION.

LOL Heaven did not call any period of seven years Great Tribulation. Such a period is pure fiction. based on false exegesis.

 

[valiant]

what an evil thing to say about a member of the body of Christ.

Proof Satan is not bound

I do not think that a man who sees himself and proclaims himself as a prophet IS a member of the body of Christ. The whole idea is Satanic.

 

[VCO]

VCO,

How ironic that those that believe in some form of premillennialism take the binding of Satan for some future time.
Which according to scripture would mean Christ has still not come and He never was raised from the dead, defeating death and giving life to the world which will be consummated by His Second PHYSICAL coming. It denies our own physical resurrection. Besides that it denies a lot of things in scripture. It changes who Christ is, denies what He accomplished at His first coming.
Man never really is concerned about what scripture means but rather how he can develop a theory which always denies chunks of scripture in the process.

WOW, you really did not read anything I posted. You just assume that the false statements about premillennialism that you were taught by some false prophet, it the truth about what we believe. WRONG!!!

The MAJOR error you just quoted from your false prophet, is that in some way we are denying the FIRST COMING. HE CAME as Prince the first time, and will PHYSICALLY come a second time as KING reigning from the throne of DAVID. The First Coming involved His entering on a donkey, while THE SECOND COMING involves His coming on the WHITE HORSE of a Conquering KING. NO WAY DOES THAT DENY ANY SCRIPTURE. OUR Calling Out to go to the Wedding of the Lamb has to happen before the Great Tribulation even begins. NO, absolutely NOTHING from Rev. 5:1 on, has already happened. HOW DO I KNOW? The Holy Spirit is in me giving me that understanding, and so is the Spirit of CHRIST, WHO ARE BOTH IN ME. Do I think you will understand that? Quite frankly, NO.

1 Corinthians 2:12-16 (NIV)
[SUP]12 [/SUP] We have not received the spirit of the world but the Spirit who is from God, that we may understand what God has freely given us.
[SUP]13 [/SUP] This is what we speak, not in words taught us by human wisdom but in words taught by the Spirit, expressing spiritual truths in spiritual words.
[SUP]14 [/SUP] The man without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned.
[SUP]15 [/SUP] The spiritual man makes judgments about all things, but he himself is not subject to any man's judgment:
[SUP]16 [/SUP] "For who has known the mind of the Lord that he may instruct him?" But we have the mind of Christ.

 

[Cassian]

VCO,

WOW, you really did not read anything I posted. You just assume that the false statements about premillennialism that you were taught by some false prophet, it the truth about what we believe. WRONG!!!

The MAJOR error you just quoted from your false prophet, is that in some way we are denying the FIRST COMING. HE CAME as Prince the first time, and will PHYSICALLY come a second time as KING reigning from the throne of DAVID. The First Coming involved His entering on a donkey, while THE SECOND COMING involves His coming on the WHITE HORSE of a Conquering KING. NO WAY DOES THAT DENY ANY SCRIPTURE. OUR Calling Out to go to the Wedding of the Lamb has to happen before the Great Tribulation even begins. NO, absolutely NOTHING from Rev. 5:1 on, has already happened. HOW DO I KNOW? The Holy Spirit is in me giving me that understanding, and so is the Spirit of CHRIST, WHO ARE BOTH IN ME. Do I think you will understand that? Quite frankly, NO.

So, you have denied premillennialism or you just pick and choose what you want to believe whether it is in scripture or you reasign new meanings to words. You cannot believe in premillennialism if you believe Christ has already come. The BINDING OF SATAN IS NOT COMING. IT HAS ALREADY HAPPENED. The binding of Satan occurred by Christ arising from the dead, defeating death. The only other option I see possible is that there would need to be two bindings of Satan. One at Christ's resurrection, the other for your theory on premillennialism.

But then the Revelation as given by the Holy Spirit has always been consistent from the beginning and unchanged for 2000 years. After all it is His function to preserve that that unified revelation that He gave in the beginning.

If it is of the Holy Spirit, could you explain why the Holy Spirit waited until the 19th century to give this new revelation to only some people. Also explain why these people don't have it down as a unified revelation when it has gone all over the map over the last 200 years, especially the last 60 or 70 years.

I think you are being mislead by men and the spirit of division and confusion.

By the way, I didn't believe it when I was a protestant. I just understand it even better than I did then why it is false.

 

[Bowman]

It seems there are quite a few people who would rather believe in fairy tales than scripture. The binding of Satan has nothing to do with any kind of premillennial view. I think it was you that stated sarcastically as to what kind of literal key was used. To take one word, thousand, and make it literal in a book that is absolutely built on symbolism is the height of folly. I read some of Impe's explanations of Revelation and it is hilarious of what he thinks it all means for the future.
Typical of a man lost in his own ego desperately trying to make a name for himself, only to look like a fool.

Agreed....

 

[Bowman]

Jesus’ death Binds Satan…


Heb 2.14 - 15

Dear Bowman, from your mentioned Vers in Hebrews 2 there is nothing written about that the satan is bound!! That Jesus sieges over satans power at the cross is clear! He set every body free who believe in Him ,the Lord Jesus Christ, but i cant read anything about that Satan is bound now! So please show me a clear vers which is saying that Satan isbind now.

Heb 2.14

επει ουν τα παιδια κεκοινωνηκεν αιματος και σαρκος και αυτος παραπλησιως μετεσχεν των αυτων ινα δια του θανατου καταργηση τον το κρατος εχοντα του θανατου τουτ εστιν τον διαβολον

epei oun ta paidia kekoinōnēken haimatos kai sarkos kai autos paraplēsiōs meteschen tōn autōn hina dia tou thanatou katargēsē ton to kratos echonta tou thanatou tout' estin ton diabolon


Since, then, the children have partaken of flesh and blood, in like manner He Himself also shared the same things, that through death He might render entirely idle the one having the power of death, that is, the devil;



καταργηση = ‘katargēsē’


‘katargēsē’ definition:

Strong’s #G2673. Aorist tense verb, 3[SUP]rd[/SUP] person singular. The Devil is to be reduced to inactivity through the death of Christ (Heb 2.14). The Epistle to the Hebrews fills out this declaration by stating that through the death of Christ even the one who has power over death, the devil, is condemned to inactivity or ineffectiveness in relation to the Christian (Heb 2.14).To cause something to come to an end or no longer in existence, abolish, wipe out, set aside. To render idle, unemployed, inactivate, inoperative. To cause a person or thing to have no further efficiency. To deprive of force, influence, power. To cause to cease, put an end to, do away with, annul, abolish. To cease, to pass away, be done away. To be severed from, separated from, discharged from, loosed from any one. To terminate all intercourse with one. to be (render) entirely idle (useless), literally or figuratively: - abolish, cease, cumber, deliver, destroy, do away, become (make) of no (none, without) effect, fail, loose, bring (come) to nought, put away (down), vanish away, make void. To cause something to be unproductive, use up, exhaust, waste. To cause something to lose its power or effectiveness, invalidate, make powerless. From #G2596 & #G691.


Strong’s #G2596. Down from.

Strong’s #G691. To be idle.



References:
Theological Dictionary of the New Testament (TDNT), Gerhard Kittel, Gerhard Friedrich, & Geoffrey W. Bromiley, volume one, pp. 452 - 454
A Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament and other early Christian Literature, 3[SUP]rd[/SUP] edition (BDAG), Frederick William Danker, pp. 525 - 526
Thayer’s Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament, Joseph H. Thayer, p. 336
The Complete Wordstudy Dictionary of the New Testament, Warren Baker, Warren Baker, based on the lexicons of Edward Robinson & John Parkhurst, pp. 841 - 842
The New Strong’s expanded exhaustive concordance of the Bible (red-letter edition), James Strong, LL.D., S.T.D., p. 133

 

[Bowman]

The other thing is. Why it is mentioned in Revealation 20, 1-3 that Satan will bound, if he is already bound through Jesus dead at the cross. You only can bind somebody who is free before. To bound a a already bound satan is not clear to understand. That what describes in Revealation 20 is future and not present. Otherwise you must claim that we just know live in millenium. Do you believe that?

And again, i dont know your hermeneutic and exegetic tools. But this tools are the reason, that we can discuss till we enter the heaven without come to one mind. But when we with our Lord we dont need longer to discuss.

Like most things recorded in Revelation, the binding of Satan is replayed over and over again...using various other literary methods.

 

[Bowman]

The two of you run into one major problem if you think Jesus death (crucifixion on the cross) is what bound satan, and that is we are well over 1,000 years since that event took place.

We are even closer to 2,000 years after that event, so even if that was the case then satan would not still be bound as it states he is only bound for a 1,000 years. Which means that he would still be loose now !!!

Its only a problem for those people who insist in a literal '1k years'.

In fact, it utterly destroys a literal 1k years.

Its not even a blip on the radar for us that can read it like it is...a period of time.

 

[Bowman]

NOTE that SATAN is NOT PHYSICALLY BOUND YET, but HE WILL BE.

How do you physically bind a spiritual being...?

EVEN you SHOULD KNOW that the Abyss is a VERY REAL PHYSICAL PLACE of imprisonment.

No.

Its a 'prison for spirits'....thus, it is not a physical place at all....

NO the devil is NOT there yet, but HE WILL BE after the Second Coming of our LORD.

Yes....he is bound there already.

Thank God that he is.

 

[Bowman]

1 Peter 5:8 (YLT)
[SUP]8 [/SUP] Be sober, vigilant, because your opponent the devil, as a roaring lion, doth walk about, seeking whom he may swallow up, {HE IS DEFINITELY NOT TOTALLY BOUND AND CAST IN THE ABYSS ALREADY, ONLY RESTRAINED TO NOT COME TO FULL POWER AS THE ANTI-CHRIST.}

You talk as if you have NO ACTIVE OPPONENT. PETER SAYS YOU ARE WRONG.

1 Peter 5.8


νηψατε γρηγορησατε ο αντιδικος υμων διαβολος ως λεων ωρυομενος περιπατει ζητων καταπιειν

nēpsate grēgorēsate ho antidikos hymōn diabolos hōs leōn ōryomenos peripatei zētōn tina katapiein

Be sober-minded, watch, the adversary devil of you walks about as a roaring lion seeking whom to devour;




This passage does not refer to ‘The Devil’ himself, as ‘diabolos’ is anarthrous (i.e. it lacks a preceding Greek definite article).


Further, ‘ho antidikos’ (the adversary) is used in only one other NT passage, Mat 5.25, and is in the context of being thrown into prison.

 

[Bowman]

Revelation 19:11-21 thru 20:1-3 (NRSV)
Then I saw heaven opened, and there was a white horse! Its rider is called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he judges and makes war.
His eyes are like a flame of fire, and on his head are many diadems; and he has a name inscribed that no one knows but himself.
He is clothed in a robe dipped in blood, and his name is called The Word of God.
And the armies of heaven, wearing fine linen, white and pure, were following him on white horses.
From his mouth comes a sharp sword with which to strike down the nations, and he will rule them with a rod of iron; he will tread the wine press of the fury of the wrath of God the Almighty.
On his robe and on his thigh he has a name inscribed, "King of kings and Lord of lords."
Then I saw an angel standing in the sun, and with a loud voice he called to all the birds that fly in midheaven, "Come, gather for the great supper of God,
to eat the flesh of kings, the flesh of captains, the flesh of the mighty, the flesh of horses and their riders—flesh of all, both free and slave, both small and great."
Then I saw the beast and the kings of the earth with their armies gathered to make war against the rider on the horse and against his army.
And the beast was captured, and with it the false prophet who had performed in its presence the signs by which he deceived those who had received the mark of the beast and those who worshiped its image. These two were thrown alive into the lake of fire that burns with sulfur.
And the rest were killed by the sword of the rider on the horse, the sword that came from his mouth; and all the birds were gorged with their flesh. {CLEARLY THAT IS DESCRIBING THE PHYSICAL SECOND COMING OF OUR LORD.}
Then I saw an angel coming down from heaven, holding in his hand the key to the bottomless pit and a great chain.
He seized the dragon, that ancient serpent, who is the Devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years,
and threw him into the pit, and locked and sealed it over him, so that he would deceive the nations no more, until the thousand years were ended. After that he must be let out for a little while. {CLEARLY THAT IS HIS FIRST EXECUTIVE ORDER AS HE TAKES HIS RIGHTFUL PLACE ON THE PHYSICAL THRONE OF DAVID IN JERUSALEM.}
Then I saw thrones, and those seated on them were given authority to judge. I also saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their testimony to Jesus and for the word of God. They had not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads or their hands.
They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
(The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended.) This is the first resurrection.

I removed the Chapter and Verse Numbers so that you can read it for yourself the way it was intended to be read.

Surely you are not one who denies the PHYSICAL Second Coming of our Lord?

The word highlighted in red is the Greek conjunction 'kai', and is far and away the most common of ALL the particles used in the NT, and is usually rendered 'and'....no mandatory sequence here, brother...

 

[popeye]

I do not think that a man who sees himself and proclaims himself as a prophet IS a member of the body of Christ. The whole idea is Satanic.

25 That there should be no schism in the body; but that the members should have the same care one for another.
26 And whether one member suffer, all the members suffer with it; or one member be honoured, all the members rejoice with it.
27 Now ye are the body of Christ, and members in particular.
28 And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues.
29 Are all apostles? are all prophets? are all teachers? are all workers of miracles?
30 Have all the gifts of healing? do all speak with tongues? do all interpret?
31 But covet earnestly the best gifts:


You basically called the Holy Spirit satanic. ("the whole idea")

 

[VCO]

VCO,



So, you have denied premillennialism or you just pick and choose what you want to believe whether it is in scripture or you reasign new meanings to words. You cannot believe in premillennialism if you believe Christ has already come. The BINDING OF SATAN IS NOT COMING. IT HAS ALREADY HAPPENED. The binding of Satan occurred by Christ arising from the dead, defeating death. The only other option I see possible is that there would need to be two bindings of Satan. One at Christ's resurrection, the other for your theory on premillennialism.

But then the Revelation as given by the Holy Spirit has always been consistent from the beginning and unchanged for 2000 years. After all it is His function to preserve that that unified revelation that He gave in the beginning.

If it is of the Holy Spirit, could you explain why the Holy Spirit waited until the 19th century to give this new revelation to only some people. Also explain why these people don't have it down as a unified revelation when it has gone all over the map over the last 200 years, especially the last 60 or 70 years.

I think you are being mislead by men and the spirit of division and confusion.

By the way, I didn't believe it when I was a protestant. I just understand it even better than I did then why it is false.

OKAY, now we know that you do not know the definition of premillennialism.

Here is the definition from WIKIPEDIA:
Premillennialism, in Christian eschatology, is the belief that Jesus will physically return to the earth before the Millennium, a literal thousand-year golden age of peace. This return is referred to as the Second Coming. The doctrine is called "premillennialism" because it holds that Jesus' physical return to earth will occur prior to the inauguration of the Millennium.

What part of Second Coming do you not understand?

How is it that you do not understand that restraining is NOT the same as binding?

2 Thessalonians 2:7 (HCSB)
[SUP]7 [/SUP] For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work, but the one now restraining will do so until he is out of the way,

2 Thessalonians 2:7 (NASB)
[SUP]7 [/SUP] For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work; only he who now restrains will do so until he is taken out of the way.

2 Thessalonians 2:7 (NKJV)
[SUP]7 [/SUP] For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work; only He who now restrains will do so until He is taken out of the way.

Okay now the "HE" can only be Jesus Christ, or the Holy Spirit, or the Father. TECHNICALLY since the THREE are one Divine Being it certainly can refer to the Holy Trinity. I think it is HOLY SPIRIT, whom HE promised would indwell all who are truly Born Again, teaching us all things, and giving us spiritual understanding of spiritual things.

Those who are NOT born again, are those who do not have the Holy Spirit in them teaching them all things. THUS many who claim to be Christians are in reality those of whom HE said, "I NEVER KNEW YOU" (Mat. 7:21-23); therefore, they because they only have a physical nature and not a born again spiritual one, they will think all of this if foolishness. THAT IS A FACT, those who have NOT YET been born again WILL NOT HAVE the same spiritual understanding as those who HAVE BEEN BORN AGAIN.

1 Corinthians 2:14 (NIV)
[SUP]14 [/SUP] The man without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned.

John 14:16-17 (NKJV)
[SUP]16 [/SUP] And I will pray the Father, and He will give you another Helper (Comforter), that He may abide with you forever--
[SUP]17 [/SUP] the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees Him nor knows Him; but you know Him, for He dwells with you and will be in you.

John 14:26 (NASB)
[SUP]26 [/SUP] "But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all that I said to you.

2 Timothy 2:7 (ASV)
[SUP]7 [/SUP] Consider what I say; for the Lord shall give thee understanding in all things.

1 John 5:20 (HCSB)
[SUP]20 [/SUP] And we know that the Son of God has come and has given us understanding so that we may know the true One. We are in the true One—that is, in His Son Jesus Christ. He is the true God and eternal life.

Ephesians 1:7-9 (HCSB)
[SUP]7 [/SUP] We have redemption in Him through His blood, the forgiveness of our trespasses, according to the riches of His grace
[SUP]8 [/SUP] that He lavished on us with all wisdom and understanding.
[SUP]9 [/SUP] He made known to us the mystery of His will, according to His good pleasure that He planned in Him


Spiritual Understanding, is NOT how many religious books you have read,
NOR how many sermons you have listened to,
NOR how much education you have,
NOR how much GREEK you know, etc., etc.

IT IS WHO YOU REALLY KNOW SPIRITUALLY IN YOUR HEART.
If one has not had his human spirit brought to ETERNAL LIFE, by the Holy Spirit; that person will LACK UNDERSTANDING. It is with that born again spiritual mind LED BY THE HOLY SPIRIT that you will find true spiritual understanding within your heart. That inner personal LOVE relationship with JESUS CHRIST AS LORD of you LIFE, is what brings your human spirit to that Eternally Alive Consciousness, thereby gaining understanding as the Holy Spirit teaches you. Jesus Christ truly is in me spiritually and I am truly in HIM spiritually.

How is it you do not know that GOD has at times kept some of HIS TRUTHS hidden until the right time?

Colossians 1:26-27 (HCSB)
[SUP]26 [/SUP] the mystery hidden for ages and generations but now revealed to His saints.
[SUP]27 [/SUP] God wanted to make known among the Gentiles the glorious wealth of this mystery, which is Christ in you, the hope of glory.

Ephesians 3:1-5 (NKJV)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] For this reason I, Paul, the prisoner of Christ Jesus for you Gentiles--
[SUP]2 [/SUP] if indeed you have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which was given to me for you,
[SUP]3 [/SUP] how that by revelation He made known to me the mystery (as I have briefly written already,
[SUP]4 [/SUP] by which, when you read, you may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ),
[SUP]5 [/SUP] which in other ages was not made known to the sons of men, as it has now been revealed by the Spirit to His holy apostles and prophets:
Ephesians 1:9-10 (NIV)
[SUP]9 [/SUP] And he made known to us the mystery of his will according to his good pleasure, which he purposed in Christ,
[SUP]10 [/SUP] to be put into effect when the times will have reached their fulfillment--to bring all things in heaven and on earth together under one head, even Christ.

1 Corinthians 15:51-53 (NET)
[SUP]51 [/SUP] Listen, I will tell you a mystery: we will not all die, but we will all be changed--
[SUP]52 [/SUP] in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed.
[SUP]53 [/SUP] For this perishable body must put on the imperishable, and this mortal must put on immortality.

Revelation 10:7 (NKJV)
[SUP]7 [/SUP] but in the days of the sounding of the seventh angel, when he is about to sound, the mystery of God would be finished, as He declared to His servants the prophets.

Daniel 12:4 (NKJV)
[SUP]4 [/SUP] "But you, Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book until the time of the end; many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall increase."


Are there still other things that are still SEALED UP, not to be revealed for our understanding?


Revelation 10:4 (ESV)
[SUP]4 [/SUP] And when the seven thunders had sounded, I was about to write, but I heard a voice from heaven saying, “Seal up what the seven thunders have said, and do not write it down.”

 

[Cassian]

VCO,

Here is the definition from WIKIPEDIA:
Premillennialism, in Christian eschatology, is the belief that Jesus will physically return to the earth before the Millennium, a literal thousand-year golden age of peace. This return is referred to as the Second Coming. The doctrine is called "premillennialism" because it holds that Jesus' physical return to earth will occur prior to the inauguration of the Millennium.

Exactly how I understand it. Which is why it is false. The mellennium, the Kingdom is in progress NOW. There is not future mellinnium.
Christ returning is called the second coming but it is not before some future millinnium. There are not two more commings of Christ. When He comes again, time ceases, all will be raised and all will be judged. There is no such thing as an earthly reign of Christ.

How is it that you do not understand that restraining is NOT the same as binding?
2 Thessalonians 2:7 (HCSB)
7 For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work, but the one now restraining will do so until he is out of the way,
2 Thessalonians 2:7 (NASB)
7 For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work; only he who now restrains will do so until he is taken out of the way.
2 Thessalonians 2:7 (NKJV)
7 For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work; only He who now restrains will do so until He is taken out of the way.

that is your problem. The binding of Satan has absolutely NOTHING to do with restraining him. It has all to do with Christ defeating death, removing his absolute power over death. You see scripture through those blinders called millennialism.

The rest of your diatribe speaks against you. The Holy Spirit has already given us His complete revelation for the Messianic Age. He also does not give revelation to individual men, nor if He actually did, He would not give different versions. The Holy Spirit has preserved His Revelation and an earthly reign in some future mellennium cannot be found in scripture nor historical Christianity. The very primitive form that was spoken by a few early Church Fathers was declared a heresy 1700 years ago. It was derived from pagen sources in that day and it is derived from false teachers in this modern age. Man has never imposed innovative ideas upon the work of the Holy Spirit.

You cannot change history and all the rationalization notwithstanding will not change what scripture has always meant and will continue to mean for the next thousand years if the Lord taries that long.

 

[VCO]

The word highlighted in red is the Greek conjunction 'kai', and is far and away the most common of ALL the particles used in the NT, and is usually rendered 'and'....no mandatory sequence here, brother...

THERE IS WHEN IT IS THE HOLY SPIRIT THAT CONFIRMS THE UNDERSTANDING.

You try to interpret the Bible with what lies between your ears.

I earnestly strive to understand with the HELP of the HOLY SPIRIT.

Last I heard, HE is better at it than you are.

 

[VCO]

VCO,

Exactly how I understand it. Which is why it is false. The mellennium, the Kingdom is in progress NOW. There is not future mellinnium.
Christ returning is called the second coming but it is not before some future millinnium. There are not two more commings of Christ. When He comes again, time ceases, all will be raised and all will be judged. There is no such thing as an earthly reign of Christ.
. . .

Believe whatever you WANT, as for me an my house, we will believe what the HOLY SPIRIT has revealed to us thru HIS WORD.

HE SAYS when HE COMES at the end of the GREAT TRIBULATION, the Mount of Olives will be completely SPLIT as His feet touch it, forming a great valley for the REMAINING believing JEWS to seek shelter in.

THE MILLENNIUM 1000 YEAR KINGDOM begins immediately after that REAL VALLEY is formed by the HIS SPLITTING THE MOUNT OF OLIVES.

Your theory is sadly TOTALLY WRONG.

 

[Cassian]

This thread is not about some millennial reign but the binding of Satan. The two have nothing in common with each other. The reason so many have taken it down a rabbit hole is that the premillennialist have hijacked a verse, Rev 20:3 and established a whole theory on that one verse by making the word thousand to be literal.

Here are some other scriptural contradictions that exists when imposed on scripture.

A premillennialist must believe that death was not vanquished at Christ's Second Coming. After all, if there is to be an earthly kingdom of Christ it must be populated by human beings. There is a war that occurs in Rev 20:7-10 that is fought by the inhabitants of the earthly kingdom. That if there are human beings, they are all unbelievers since all Christians were "raptured" earlier at the beginning of the Tribulation. All are figments of someone's immagination respective of scripture.
You must also believe that the natural creation must continue in its fallen state, of corruption and death. That both man and creation was not consumated at Christ's Second Coming but that both Christ who is reigning on this earth, reigns with unbelievers, with sin, with a fallen universe. That the New Heavens and New Earth still will not be inaugerated for some 1000 years after Christ returns. Yet scripture states that at His Second Coming all will be raised, the judgment takes place and the New Heaven and New Earth is inaugerated, not some earthly reign. And death ends with His Second coming with the resurrection of all men.

Isn't this ironic and even more preposturous is that this earthly reign of Christ, populated by unbelievers will not have the opportunity of recieving Christ, while He is actually living on this earth. Because they also believe that Christians do not dwell with Christ on this earth, though how could they reign with Him. You have christians in heaven, but Christ now on earth.
One must also believe that unbelievers will not be raised until the end of this millennium age and be judged. Yet scripture states that at His Second Coming all shall be raised and all will be judged. Again nothing about some eartly reign and two phyusical resurrections either.
I Cor 15:22-28. clearly indicates that death is the last enemy and is now terminated with His Second Coming. But the premillennialist will insist that unbelievers are not resurrected and there is some gap here.

However, other texts support that Christ's Second Coming is simultaneous with the end. That there is no gap, or a millennial reign. It is the view of Premillennialists that Christ is not ruling presently and subjecting all power to Himself, then they need to ignore Ephesians 1:20-23 where precisely the same terms are used (arche, exousia, dunamis) in Paul’s description of what has been put in subjection under his feet (cf. also Colossians 1:13; 2:10,15).

1 Corinthians 15:50-57 The key phrase is Paul’s declaration that “flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God” (v. 50). Simply put, a corruptible and perishable nature can neither possess nor participate in an incorruptible and imperishable kingdom. Neither the living (”flesh and blood”) nor the dead (”the perishable”) can inherit the kingdom in their present state. Yet we have flesh and blood in this kingdom, millennium populated by the wicked.

The “kingdom” in view, according to the PM, is the millennial kingdom,
Romans 8:18-23. clearly associates the Second Coming with the transformation of the natural order. In fact, Creation, having been subjected to death is awaiting that consummation of Christ at His Coming. We are in the last dispensation, no more ages, dispensations, or opportunities will be given to man (Acts 2: 14 ff).

These are huge discrepencies and no proponent of any of the many versions of premillennialism has ever resolved these issue. Probably because they either do not understand scripture or just ignore scripture if if disagrees with their personal interpretation. There is a lot more scripture that clearly shows the falseness of the view of premillennialism.

 

[Cassian]

Believe whatever you WANT, as for me an my house, we will believe what the HOLY SPIRIT has revealed to us thru HIS WORD.

HE SAYS when HE COMES at the end of the GREAT TRIBULATION, the Mount of Olives will be completely SPLIT as His feet touch it, forming a great valley for the REMAINING believing JEWS to seek shelter in.

THE MILLENNIUM 1000 YEAR KINGDOM begins immediately after that REAL VALLEY is formed by the HIS SPLITTING THE MOUNT OF OLIVES.

Your theory is sadly TOTALLY WRONG.

The Word you refer to is the Bible. It has been the source of all the false teachings. One only needs to look around the sola scriptura landscape to know that anything goes. Man can devise any teaching he desires and base it on scripture. It has been a rich and bountiful harvest for Satan.

You have failed to show it is totally wrong. You could not even get beyond your own personal imput, let alone all the well known promoters over the last 50 years. Nothing historically and surely nothing about the Church to whom it was given ONCE in the beginning and preserved by the Holy Spirit within Christ's Body.

 

[DP]

Amazing how postribs are oblivious to the fact that God does NOT have a postjudgement pattern of deliverance.

You really MUST ABANDON CLEAR COMPREHENSION.

You need to show how God,as you say,delivers his family POSTJUDGEMENT and 5 seconds later RETURNS TO THE EXACT SAME SPOT. (depicting your made up postrib rapture u turn).

Mat 25 depicts a groom fetching his bride which HAS LEFT HER ORIGINAL DWELLING AND DOING A U TURN BACK TO HIS FATHERS HOUSE..

Exactly backwards of what you guys BASELESSLY DEPICTED.

You then try to hammer fit the plagues of Egypt.
Uh,again,you have zero.

Pssst,they went into the wilderness
You sayin God is gonna take you into WILDERNESS postrib??

Oh,wait ,you may be getting the measure of faith you are meeting out to others.

OK, I see you have 'nothing'... Biblical to offer.

You are free to believe what you want. It does not bother me in the least if you think our Lord Jesus is coming to rapture you prior to the tribulation, simply because I already know per His Word that He will not, for that idea is not written in His Word. Instead, that pre-trib rapture idea is a doctrine from men that began in the 1830's through John Nelson Darby and et al. That is when the pre-trib rapture doctrine first sprang among certain Churches in Britain.

Yet as a Christian brother, I still admonish you to do further Bible study for yourself on the matter throughout all of God's Word, while being fair-minded with yourself.