That's easy. The "Palestinians" fire rockets into Israel. Like it or not, but these same terrorists are the elected government of Gaza. The Israeli government warned them time and time again to stop firing rockets into Israeli civilian areas, or Israel would take military action. The Palestinians didn't listen, so Israel mobilized and defended herself.
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no, i need no JUSTIFICATION to abhor what Israel is doing in Gaza. just FACTS.
depleted urainium......mmmmm......yummy.....you wouldn't mind some dumped into your back yard i presume? imagine all your neighbours wives giving birth to MONSTERS as a result of DU. wait and see. or you could just look at Iraq where the US has been using DU for years.
and the WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION used against puny rocks and impotent rockets, pop bottles filled with gas......WOW. poor poor Israel. Israel is a criminal BULLY.
here's some facts:
http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=80687§ionid=351021708
Unconventional weapons used against Gazans
Doctor Mads Gilbert is a member of a Norwegian triage medical team present in the besieged Gaza Strip. The team has exposed that Israel has used depleted uranium weapons in its war on the impoverished territory which is home to 1.5 million Palestinians. He described the conditions inside Gaza in an exclusive Press TV interview.
Press TV: What can you tell about the uranium findings?
Dr. Mads Gilbert:The findings about the uranium I cannot tell you much about, but I can tell you that we have clear evidence that the Israelis are using a new type of very high explosive weapons which are called Dense Inert Metal Explosive (DIME) and are made out of a tungsten alloy.
These weapons have an enormous power to explode.
The power of the explosion dissipates very quickly and the strength does not travel long, maybe 10 meters, but those humans who are hit by this explosion, this pressure wave are cut in pieces.
This was first used in Lebanon in 2006, it was used here in Gaza in 2006 and the injuries that we see in Shifa [Hospital] now, many many of them I suspect and we all suspect are the effect of DIME weapons used by the Israelis.
On the long term, these weapons will have a cancer effect on those who survive. They will develop cancer we suspect. There has been very little research on this but some research has been among other places in the United States, which show that these weapons have a high tendency to develop cancer. So they kill and those who survive risk having cancer.
All that is happening in Gaza here now is against international law, it is against humanity and I think it is against what it means to be a decent person. You don't treat other people like this. Even if you disagree with him… maybe even if you fight with them, you don't treat civilians, children and women like this.
Half of the population in Palestine are below 15 years and 80 percent of the people in Gaza live below the level of poverty defined by the UN. Now they don't have food, they don't have electricity. It's cold they don't have warmth and in addition to that, they are killed.
Amira Hass / Gazans set up make shift exhibit of Israeli weapons used in Cast Lead
Of all the Israeli weaponry displayed outside the Gaza police station, the Palestinian guards and policemen took greatest interest in the white wings they had never seen before.
"This is new to us. All the rest we are familiar with from Israeli attacks over the last eight years," members of Human Rights Watch were told last week, as they examined the unexploded ordinance, landmines, and other forms of ammunition that survive on the sandy soil of the parking lot in the center of Gaza.
The parking lot where the ordinance is displayed abuts the main police station in Gaza, the same one the Israel Air Force attacked on the 27th of December, in a strike that killed dozens of young police cadets who had just finished taking part in a graduation ceremony.
Even today, under the rule of Hamas and weeks after the IAF attack, the entrance to the compound still displays its official name: Arafat City.
The white wings it turns out come from a type of rocket developed by Israeli arms manufacturer "Rafael" to detonate minefields. The "carpet" rocket system is affixed to armored platforms, which fire the rockets at mine fields. The rocket creates a cloud of vapor above the target and the explosions within the cloud create shockwaves that cause the landmines below to detonate.
The phosphorous bombs fired by the IDF were also new to the residents of Gaza. Nonetheless, every child in the Gaza Strip knows that the greenish containers and their fragments contain the white phosphorous that explodes over their heads like some sort of fireworks, causing thick smoke and setting fire to buildings, cars, and trees.
These are the explosives that Palestinian and foreign doctors suspect are to blame for serious burns and some cases of death.
Only at the end of Operation Cast Lead did the IDF admit to using white phosphorous.
Ton, half ton
The guards and policemen ? and a number of journalists, were interested in learning the difference between the large and small green containers exhibited outside the police station.
Human Rights Watch security expert Mark Garlasco said the 155 mm. rounds exhibited outside the police station were fired by artillery, and the 120 mm. rounds were fired by infantrymen.
Unexploded one-ton bombs, half-ton bombs, and 250 kilogram bombs are also exhibited there, alongside several types of anti-tank missiles, and 30 mm. bombs, illumination rounds, and anti-tank mines used by IDF troops to raze houses, like in the neighborhoods east of Jabaliya.
In addition, a number of institutions, like human rights centers and private houses are currently holding their own collections of exploded ordinance, including heavy chunks of bomb and missile shrapnel, bundles of anti-tank missile wires, and shells of every size.
Private citizens and children collect the fragments, much of which has killed or wounded their loved ones. Some Gazans found that one of the types of weapons that caused injuries included tiny cubic pieces of metal that were embedded in concrete walls.
Human rights organizations and medical officials are attempting to link the different types of weaponry to the types of injuries they are finding among Gazans. One of the assumptions is that the small fragments of metal are the weapons responsible for causing the near total and perfect amputation of limbs found in many injured Gazans ? a new occurrence in Gaza. One of the assumptions is that the tiny metal fragments come from missiles fired by IAF drones.
fired by DRONES?????
OH HOW BRAVE.
HOW NOBLE.
M
Sha'alu Shalom Yerushalayim.
Romans 11
1 "In that case, I say, isn't it that God has repudiated his people?" Heaven forbid! For I myself am a son of Isra'el, from the seed of Avraham, of the tribe of Binyamin.
2 God has not repudiated his people, whom he chose in advance. Or don't you know what the Tanakh says about Eliyahu? He pleads with God against Isra'el......
Paulnsilas, remember, we are not only commanded to pray for the peace of Yerushalayim but also whoever blesses Y'srael will be blessed, and whoever curses Y'srael will be cursed.
Romans 11
1 "In that case, I say, isn't it that God has repudiated his people?" Heaven forbid! For I myself am a son of Isra'el, from the seed of Avraham, of the tribe of Binyamin.
2 God has not repudiated his people, whom he chose in advance. Or don't you know what the Tanakh says about Eliyahu? He pleads with God against Isra'el......
Paulnsilas, remember, we are not only commanded to pray for the peace of Yerushalayim but also whoever blesses Y'srael will be blessed, and whoever curses Y'srael will be cursed.
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my final remarks on this are simply to do a LITTLE RESEARCH yourself into the TALMUD.
it states over and over again, PLAINLY AND PROUDLY:
GENTILES ARE NOT HUMAN BEINGS.
now that means you and me friend....good thing Jesus Loves the children of the world. ALL of them.
incidentally: the TALMUD says Jesus was a magician who performed magic with his sex organ; that his mother was a whore who played the harlot with carpenters; that Jesus is currently boiling in excrement in hell; that Jesus was an idolator who worshipped a brick; that Jesus had sex with his donkey........
that's it's okay for a jew to have sex with a baby girl 3 years old less a day.....since her hymen "will grow back"
it's okay to have sex with a boy under nine since the boy himself is not capable of sex, it's not really sex.
REVOLTING ENOUGH????????
need proof?
THEN GO DO YOUR own HOMEWORK....THEN COME BACK AND DEFEND THOSE WHO LOVE THEIR MYSTERY BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS.
DEFEND that GREAT CITY which Christ calls Sodom and Egypt. THE LOVERS OF THAT GREAT CITY WHO WORSHIP AND FOLLOW THEIR TALMUDIC RABBIS.
REVELATION 18
And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.
if you don't trust your discernment and the Holy Spirit's ability to teach you all things, if you don't believe we are to study to show ourselves approved, so as NOT TO BE ASHAMED, that we are NOT to be ignorant of satan's devices; maybe Jesus' words to the TALMUDIC RABBIS of His day will convince you of what they are:
MATTHEW 23
1 Then spake Jesus to the multitude, and to his disciples, 2 Saying The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat: 3 All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not. 4 For they bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne, and lay them on men's shoulders; but they themselves will not move them with one of their fingers. 5 But all their works they do for to be seen of men: they make broad their phylacteries, and enlarge the borders of their garments, 6 And love the uppermost rooms at feasts, and the chief seats in the synagogues, 7 And greetings in the markets, and to be called of men, Rabbi, Rabbi. 8 But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, even Christ; and all ye are brethren. 9 And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven. 10 Neither be ye called masters: for one is your Master, even Christ. 11 But he that is greatest among you shall be your servant. 12 And whosoever shall exalt himself shall be abased; and he that shall humble himself shall be exalted.
13 But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in. 14 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye devour widows' houses, and for a pretence make long prayer: therefore ye shall receive the greater ****ation.
15 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves.
16 Woe unto you, ye blind guides, which say, Whosoever shall swear by the temple, it is nothing; but whosoever shall swear by the gold of the temple, he is a debtor! 17 Ye fools and blind: for whether is greater, the gold, or the temple that sanctifieth the gold? 18 And, Whosoever shall swear by the altar, it is nothing; but whosoever sweareth by the gift that is upon it, he is guilty. 19 Ye fools and blind: for whether is greater, the gift, or the altar that sanctifieth the gift? 20 Whoso therefore shall swear by the altar, sweareth by it, and by all things thereon. 21 And whoso shall swear by the temple, sweareth by it, and by him that dwelleth therein. 22 And he that shall swear by heaven, sweareth by the throne of God, and by him that sitteth thereon.
23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone. 24 Ye blind guides, which strain at a gnat, and swallow a camel.
25 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye make clean the outside of the cup and of the platter, but within they are full of extortion and excess. 26 Thou blind Pharisee, cleanse first that which is within the cup and platter, that the outside of them may be clean also.
27 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead men's bones, and of all uncleanness.
28 Even so ye also outwardly appear righteous unto men, but within ye are full of hypocrisy and iniquity.
29 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because ye build the tombs of the prophets, and garnish the sepulchres of the righteous, 30 And say, If we had been in the days of our fathers, we would not have been partakers with them in the blood of the prophets. 31 Wherefore ye be witnesses unto yourselves, that ye are the children of them which killed the prophets. 32 Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers. 33 Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the ****ation of hell?
34 Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city: 35 That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar. 36 Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation.
37 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not! 38 Behold, your house is left unto you desolate. 39 For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.
"from the blood of righteous Abel"
QUESTIONS:
How is it that the Lord could righteously CONDEMN the Scribes and Pharisees for ALL the innocent blood shed upon the earth?
more specifically, how is it that He could go BACK IN TIME and condemn them FOR THE BLOOD OF ABEL?
if, as in Rev 2:9 and 3:9, Jesus tells us there are people who claim to be of Judah but ARE NOT, AND ARE LIARS, DOES THIS PASSAGE IN MATTHEW TELL US FROM WHOM THEY ARE DESCENDED??
QUESTION:
WHO SLEW RIGHTEOUS ABEL?
OVER AND OUT ON THIS TOPIC
PNS
Interesting article:
"Israel's Messianic Jews Under Attack"
http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1812430,00.html
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The biggest problem to many Christians is recognition of who is the God's Chosen Nation today.
Most do believe, that modern Israel is the Chosen Nation.
And that is totally wrong!
Israel was rejected as a Chosen Nation and Chosen Nation today is a church of born again Christian. In the future will be the Great Crowd coming from the Great Tribulation.
Israel was rejected and punished in 70 c.e. for murder of Messiah.
Total destruction of Jerusalem and 1.1 mln death Jews plus their scattering through the all world and their persecution worldwide was the punishment for that heinous crime on Son of God.
God didn't save them from Holocaust, because since death of Christ they are not the Chosen Nation anymore.
Chosen Nation is today Christianity, which is taking their roots from Judaism.
God makes that decision, who is a part of that Chosen Nation. Not people. He draws us to the truth and becoming born again we are becoming a part of God's Chosen Nation.
Israel is a Synagogue of Satan - Rev 2:9.
Israel are not Israelites and Jews are not representing the whole nation of Israel.
Where is other 10 tribes of Israel? Did God forgotten about them and His promise to them?
I don't think so! They are alive, amongst us and God only knows who they are. And they are the part of the Chosen Nation.
Modern Israel does not spread Gods Word and does not obey God's Commandments. Even if Many Jews do, today Israel is in identical position as he was during rules of evil kings like Achab.
Jerusalem is filled with violence, prostitution, crime and usury.
Today's Jerusalem does not fulfill any part of God's Covenant from Horeb.
Israel and Zionism is a Synagogue of Satan
Most do believe, that modern Israel is the Chosen Nation.
And that is totally wrong!
Israel was rejected as a Chosen Nation and Chosen Nation today is a church of born again Christian. In the future will be the Great Crowd coming from the Great Tribulation.
Israel was rejected and punished in 70 c.e. for murder of Messiah.
Total destruction of Jerusalem and 1.1 mln death Jews plus their scattering through the all world and their persecution worldwide was the punishment for that heinous crime on Son of God.
God didn't save them from Holocaust, because since death of Christ they are not the Chosen Nation anymore.
Chosen Nation is today Christianity, which is taking their roots from Judaism.
God makes that decision, who is a part of that Chosen Nation. Not people. He draws us to the truth and becoming born again we are becoming a part of God's Chosen Nation.
Israel is a Synagogue of Satan - Rev 2:9.
Israel are not Israelites and Jews are not representing the whole nation of Israel.
Where is other 10 tribes of Israel? Did God forgotten about them and His promise to them?
I don't think so! They are alive, amongst us and God only knows who they are. And they are the part of the Chosen Nation.
Modern Israel does not spread Gods Word and does not obey God's Commandments. Even if Many Jews do, today Israel is in identical position as he was during rules of evil kings like Achab.
Jerusalem is filled with violence, prostitution, crime and usury.
Today's Jerusalem does not fulfill any part of God's Covenant from Horeb.
Israel and Zionism is a Synagogue of Satan
M
Quoting from the New King James Version....
Romans 9
1 I tell the truth in Christ, I am not lying, my conscience also bearing me witness in the Holy Spirit,
2 that I have great sorrow and continual grief in my heart.
3 For I could wish that I myself were accursed from Christ for my brethren, my countrymen according to the flesh,
4 who are Israelites, to whom pertain the adoption, the glory, the covenants, the giving of the law, the service of God, and the promises;
5 of whom are the fathers and from whom, according to the flesh, Christ came, who is over all, the eternally blessed God. Amen.
Who was the adoption, glory, covenants giving of the law, services of God and the promises given to? Paul says it himself... "My brethren, my countrymen ACCORDING TO THE FLESH"... Those are the "Israelites".
Romans 11
1 I say then, has God cast away His people? Certainly not! For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.
2 God has not cast away His people whom He foreknew. Or do you not know what the Scripture says of Elijah, how he pleads with God against Israel, saying
That is from YOUR bible.
Romans 9
1 I tell the truth in Christ, I am not lying, my conscience also bearing me witness in the Holy Spirit,
2 that I have great sorrow and continual grief in my heart.
3 For I could wish that I myself were accursed from Christ for my brethren, my countrymen according to the flesh,
4 who are Israelites, to whom pertain the adoption, the glory, the covenants, the giving of the law, the service of God, and the promises;
5 of whom are the fathers and from whom, according to the flesh, Christ came, who is over all, the eternally blessed God. Amen.
Who was the adoption, glory, covenants giving of the law, services of God and the promises given to? Paul says it himself... "My brethren, my countrymen ACCORDING TO THE FLESH"... Those are the "Israelites".
Romans 11
1 I say then, has God cast away His people? Certainly not! For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.
2 God has not cast away His people whom He foreknew. Or do you not know what the Scripture says of Elijah, how he pleads with God against Israel, saying
That is from YOUR bible.
M
This is the sickest part of it all. How dare you say that Israel murdered the Messiah? Do you know what brings death - sin brings death. Sin is what killed the Messiah, who is responsible for His death? Every sinner.
This is so sad, I pray you repent. I'm not even going to speak on the Holocaust, this is very sad.
This is so sad, I pray you repent. I'm not even going to speak on the Holocaust, this is very sad.
P
please show me the exact scripture that says whoever blesses Y'srael will be blessed, and whoever curses Y'srael will be cursed.
God was speaking to ABRAHAM.....ABRAHAM......NOT THE ISRAELITES, HEBREWS OR MOST ASSURDELY NOT MODERN DAY ISRAEL.
PLEASE DOCUMENT THE PRECISE SCRIPTURE WHERE GOD SAYS WHAT YOU CLAIM HE SAID.
I AM WAITING.
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since you may have trouble understanding what is being said i will speak slowly:
i....never....said.....you.....follow.....the Talmud.
i......know.....very......well.....it....is....not Scripture. it is from HELL and from the synagogue of satan.
but you don't believe that, do you?
you don't belive what Jesus said about it, why would you belive me.
just a rabbincal commnetary? who do you think satan's ministers of righteousness are? who do you think they are building the thrid temple for? Santa Claus?
but you're alread deceived.....that's why you refuse to hear.
i....never....said.....you.....follow.....the Talmud.
i......know.....very......well.....it....is....not Scripture. it is from HELL and from the synagogue of satan.
but you don't believe that, do you?
you don't belive what Jesus said about it, why would you belive me.
just a rabbincal commnetary? who do you think satan's ministers of righteousness are? who do you think they are building the thrid temple for? Santa Claus?
but you're alread deceived.....that's why you refuse to hear.