3rd Temple Updates

[paulnsilas]

If you read the Scripture in it's ruttin' context, you'll see that G-d was talking to Abram ABOUT the nation that He would bring forth from Abram.

please provide Chapter and verse.
not your ruttin' commentary.

you won't do it, because you know what you say it is says IS NOT IN THERE.

you reveal who you follow anyways.

you and your G-d......

the God if the Bible does not have an immutable Name. IT IS JESUS CHRIST.

 

[Nuhen]

please provide Chapter and verse.
not your ruttin' commentary.

you won't do it, because you know what you say it is says IS NOT IN THERE.

you reveal who you follow anyways.

you and your G-d......

the God if the Bible does not have an immutable Name. IT IS JESUS CHRIST.

Genesis 12:2-3. There's your book, chapter, and verse. Don't assume I'm afraid of you, because I'm not. You want the scriptures, I'll give you the Scriptures.

The G-d of the bible DOES have a Holy and Unpronounceable Name. He gave it to us in the Scriptures: YHVH

 

[paulnsilas]

Sha'alu Shalom Yerushalayim.

Romans 11
1 "In that case, I say, isn't it that God has repudiated his people?" Heaven forbid! For I myself am a son of Isra'el, from the seed of Avraham, of the tribe of Binyamin.
2 God has not repudiated his people, whom he chose in advance. Or don't you know what the Tanakh says about Eliyahu? He pleads with God against Isra'el......

God has always preserved A REMNANT. GET IT? A REMNANT. those who have held true to the Torah. MOSES. THE OLD TESTAMENT. they may still be blind due to the rejection of Christ, but A REMNANT who has not fallen into Babylonian Talmudic Idolatry will be saved.

I AM NOT AND HAVE NEVER BEEN TALKING ABOUT THEM. THEY ARE SAFE. THEY WILL BE SAVED THE SAME WAY THE REST OF US ARE SAVED. BY THE GRACE OF GOD THROUGH FAITH IN JESUS CHRIST. PERIOD. no Law, no works, so shawls, no bloodline no nothing.

i simply tried to warn so-called believers that there is a counterfeit people out there.

BAD FIGS.....GOD WARNS US.

TARES....GOD WARNS US.

but does anybody have the courage to ask WHO GOD MEANT????

no....because they have been deceived into believing they will be cursed by God if they criticize APOSTATE TALMUDIC RABBINICAL JUDAISM.
sigh.
whatever. believe what you want.
hang out with rabbis and act holy if you want. do so at your own peril.

Christ condemnded them, but you say they're okay.

good luck on that

 

[Nuhen]

You need only look in the mirror to find the counterfeit.

 

[paulnsilas]

Genesis 12:2-3. There's your book, chapter, and verse. Don't assume I'm afraid of you, because I'm not. You want the scriptures, I'll give you the Scriptures.

afraid of me? huh? just prove what you are saying. which you did not do. God was talking to ABRAHAM (ABRAM)......NOT THE JEWS. but you won't admit that. you'd have to admit you have been wrong about many things. good luck!

Genesis 12
1 Now the LORD had said unto Abram, Get thee out of thy country, and from thy kindred, and from thy father's house, unto a land that I will show thee:

2 And I will make of thee a great nation, and I will bless thee, and make thy name great; and thou shalt be a blessing: 3 And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.

AGAIN.....i ask that you rightly divide the Word.
TO WHOM is God speaking?

THE ANSWER, AS I SAID, IS ABRAM. PERIOD.


The G-d of the bible DOES have a Holy and Unpronounceable Name. He gave it to us in the Scriptures: YHVH

yes, His Name is Holy. and yes in the OT it is written YHVH. but it is RABBINICAL LEAVEN that tells you that name is unutterable. it is pronounced in english YAHAVAY, or thereabouts. NO WHERE in Bible are we told God's Name is not to be spoken.

if that were true, how could people call upon the Name Above Names to be saved? JESUS CHRIST?

 

[paulnsilas]

You need only look in the mirror to find the counterfeit.

tsk tsk.
am i now become your enemy because i tell you the truth?

you can't put new wine into skins friend....no matter how hard you try.

 

[Maranatha_Yeshua]

yes, His Name is Holy. and yes in the OT it is written YHVH. but it is RABBINICAL LEAVEN that tells you that name is unutterable. it is pronounced in english YAHAVAY, or thereabouts. NO WHERE in Bible are we told God's Name is not to be spoken.

if that were true, how could people call upon the Name Above Names to be saved? JESUS CHRIST?

יהוה is unpronounceable, Jews don't say it because it's.... Unpronounceable and they don't want to commit blasphemy. It's respect, like you should have some respect. There are no vowels in the Tetragrammaton but the vowel marks you see are used for Adonai. Not on the word itself. So, יהוה is perfectly expressed through His Son, Rabbi Yeshua Ha Ben Elohim. That is why you call on His name to be saved. And YAHAVAY is not close at all, just to let you know.

 

[Cup-of-Ruin]

יהוה is unpronounceable, Jews don't say it because it's.... Unpronounceable and they don't want to commit blasphemy. It's respect, like you should have some respect. There are no vowels in the Tetragrammaton but the vowel marks you see are used for Adonai. Not on the word itself. So, יהוה is perfectly expressed through His Son, Rabbi Yeshua Ha Ben Elohim. That is why you call on His name to be saved. And YAHAVAY is not close at all, just to let you know.

The problem here is you quote Masoretic Hebrew, which is not the original language of the Bible, the Masorete Priests wrote their version of scripture in 1009 AD, in this version the Tetragrammaton is used, but it is not used in the original language of the Bible, Masorete Hebrew was not even a langauge until the 3-4th Century AD, and is merely a mongrelized cross of Babylonian Aramaic, Herodian Script and Phoenician.

Masoretic was not the language of the ancient Israelites neither was it the langauge that the prophets wrote in, so clearly to try to establish a "Name" of God, based on a fairly recently evolved language is misleading, Masorete Hebrew is merely a combination of older more significant langauges.

In regards to holy OT Scripture the primary witness is written in Koine Greek, same language the New Testament Apostles wrote in, as this was the primary langauge at the time, Jesus and the Apostles spoke Greek and wrote in Greek, and quoted from a the Greek Septuagint, centuries before the Talmudic Masorete Priests were even able to form their own 'Hebrew' langauge.

 

[Maranatha_Yeshua]

The problem here is you quote Masoretic Hebrew, which is not the original language of the Bible, the Masorete Priests wrote their version of scripture in 1009 AD, in this version the Tetragrammaton is used, but it is not used in the original language of the Bible, Masorete Hebrew was not even a langauge until the 3-4th Century AD, and is merely a mongrelized cross of Babylonian Aramaic, Herodian Script and Phoenician.

Masoretic was not the language of the ancient Israelites neither was it the langauge that the prophets wrote in, so clearly to try to establish a "Name" of God, based on a fairly recently evolved language is misleading, Masorete Hebrew is merely a combination of older more significant langauges.

In regards to holy OT Scripture the primary witness is written in Koine Greek, same language the New Testament Apostles wrote in, as this was the primary langauge at the time, Jesus and the Apostles spoke Greek and wrote in Greek, and quoted from a the Greek Septuagint, centuries before the Talmudic Masorete Priests were even able to form their own 'Hebrew' langauge.

Not sure where you got that idea from. You understand Yeshua spoke Aramaic, Hebrew and Greek right? As far as the Hebrew I used. You're joking right? They don't have a Torah Script available online. Koine Greek is a lot more misleading than Hebrew or Aramaic I don't know where you got your theories from but you mind want to keep in mind your imagination does not qualify as factual evidence.

The Septuagint is no excuse to not read the original Hebrew, the only difference between modern Hebrew and biblical Hebrew is the same difference from Shakespeare English and modern English. Anyone who can read Hebrew can read both biblical and modern Hebrew.

Zephaniah 3:9 For then I will restore to the peoples a pure language, That they all may call on the name of the LORD, To serve Him with one accord.

Yeah what's the original language that was written in? What is the Holy and pure language my friend?

 

[Cup-of-Ruin]

Sha'alu Shalom Yerushalayim.

Romans 11
1 "In that case, I say, isn't it that God has repudiated his people?" Heaven forbid! For I myself am a son of Isra'el, from the seed of Avraham, of the tribe of Binyamin.
2 God has not repudiated his people, whom he chose in advance. Or don't you know what the Tanakh says about Eliyahu? He pleads with God against Isra'el......

God has always preserved A REMNANT. GET IT? A REMNANT. those who have held true to the Torah. MOSES. THE OLD TESTAMENT. they may still be blind due to the rejection of Christ, but A REMNANT who has not fallen into Babylonian Talmudic Idolatry will be saved.

I AM NOT AND HAVE NEVER BEEN TALKING ABOUT THEM. THEY ARE SAFE. THEY WILL BE SAVED THE SAME WAY THE REST OF US ARE SAVED. BY THE GRACE OF GOD THROUGH FAITH IN JESUS CHRIST. PERIOD. no Law, no works, so shawls, no bloodline no nothing.

i simply tried to warn so-called believers that there is a counterfeit people out there.

BAD FIGS.....GOD WARNS US.

TARES....GOD WARNS US.

but does anybody have the courage to ask WHO GOD MEANT????

no....because they have been deceived into believing they will be cursed by God if they criticize APOSTATE TALMUDIC RABBINICAL JUDAISM.
sigh.
whatever. believe what you want.
hang out with rabbis and act holy if you want. do so at your own peril.

Christ condemnded them, but you say they're okay.

good luck on that

The renmant of Judah were converted by Jesus Christ the Great Shepherd. This is prophecised by Jeremiah 31:31-38, and confirmed in the New Covenant Hebrews 8:8-12. The remnant was saved, if they were not then there was no way the Gospel could have been delivered to the ethnos of Isarel and then the entire world. All of Judah was converted during or immediately after the death and resurrection of Christ, all of Jesus' early diciples and followers and all the Apostles were from the tribe of Judah and they took the Gospel to the divorced House of Isarel - 'the lost sheep of Israel' from there the Great Commisioned continued to the ends of the earth according to God's plan, anybody who suggests that God's tribe Judah whom He never divorced were not saved by God trough recognition of Christ, baptism and reception of the Holy Spirit is not reading the Bible correctly.

"Them that call themsleves 'Judeans' but are not 'Judeans', they are liars of the Synagogue of Satan"

We even have the clear voice of prophecy to confirm that the one calling themselves Judeans, are not, becuase as Paul says as well, the true Judean would have circumcision of the heart, Israel had always been cicumcised by the heart, and circumcision of th heart is how Judah and Isarel became Christian and saved by the Lord their God who came in the flesh as Jesus Christ - Isaiah 9:6.

"My sheep hear my voice, and they follow" - Jesus Christ.

 

[Maranatha_Yeshua]

The renmant of Judah were converted by Jesus Christ the Great Shepherd. This is prophecised by Jeremiah 31:31-38, and confirmed in the New Covenant Hebrews 8:8-12. The remnant was saved, if they were not then there was no way the Gospel could have been delivered to the ethnos of Isarel and then the entire world. All of Judah was converted during or immediately after the death and resurrection of Christ, all of Jesus' early diciples and followers and all the Apostles were from the tribe of Judah and they took the Gospel to the divorced House of Isarel - 'the lost sheep of Israel' from there the Great Commisioned continued to the ends of the earth according to God's plan, anybody who suggests that God's tribe Judah whom He never divorced were not saved by God trough recognition of Christ, baptism and reception of the Holy Spirit is not reading the Bible correctly.

"Them that call themsleves 'Judeans' but are not 'Judeans', they are liars of the Synagogue of Satan"

We even have the clear voice of prophecy to confirm that the one calling themselves Judeans, are not, becuase as Paul says as well, the true Judean would have circumcision of the heart, Israel had always been cicumcised by the heart, and circumcision of th heart is how Judah and Isarel became Christian and saved by the Lord their God who came in the flesh as Jesus Christ - Isaiah 9:6.

"My sheep hear my voice, and they follow" - Jesus Christ.

Jeremiah 31 is the new covenant given to the Israelites, you were grafted into Israel remember?

Romans 11
16 For if the firstfruit is holy, the lump is also holy; and if the root is holy, so are the branches.
17 And if some of the branches were broken off, and you, being a wild olive tree, were grafted in among them, and with them became a partaker of the root and fatness of the olive tree,
18 do not boast against the branches. But if you do boast, remember that you do not support the root, but the root supports you.
19 You will say then, “Branches were broken off that I might be grafted in.”
20 Well said. Because of unbelief they were broken off, and you stand by faith. Do not be haughty, but fear.
21 For if God did not spare the natural branches, He may not spare you either.
22 Therefore consider the goodness and severity of God: on those who fell, severity; but toward you, goodness,if you continue in His goodness. Otherwise you also will be cut off.
23 And they also, if they do not continue in unbelief, will be grafted in, for God is able to graft them in again.
24 For if you were cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and were grafted contrary to nature into a cultivated olive tree, how much more will these, who are natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree?
25 For I do not desire, brethren, that you should be ignorant of this mystery, lest you should be wise in your own opinion, that blindness in part has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in.
26 And so all Israel will be saved, as it is written:
“ The Deliverer will come out of Zion,
And He will turn away ungodliness from Jacob;
27 For this is My covenant with them,
When I take away their sins.”
28 Concerning the gospel they are enemies for your sake, but concerning the election they are beloved for the sake of the fathers.
29 For the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable.
30 For as you were once disobedient to God, yet have now obtained mercy through their disobedience,
31 even so these also have now been disobedient, that through the mercy shown you they also may obtain mercy.
32 For God has committed them all to disobedience, that He might have mercy on all.



Dude Paul just owned you right there...Take a few deep breathes I bet you are very very upset right now.

 

[Cup-of-Ruin]

Not sure where you got that idea from. You understand Yeshua spoke Aramaic, Hebrew and Greek right? As far as the Hebrew I used. You're joking right?

The Masorete Hebrew you refer to are manuscripts dating to 1009 AD, there is nothing earlier than this. 'Hebrew' is Masoretic Hebrew, it is a language that was formed from older langauges and it did not even have a developed alphabet until the 3-4 Century A.D.

Aramaic is Babylonian Imperial Langauge, Chaldee is the root language of Aramaic. The instances where Jesus Christ spoke Aramiac which was rare are recorded in the Bible as such, there are a few cases where Jesus spoke in Aramaic which was used in Judea and surrouding areas at the time, mainly for trade puposes and by merchants on trading routes to the East. But the main langauge of course was Greek, not for just Jesus but all of Judea, Greek and also to a lessor extent Latin, of course Latin is derived itself from Greek.

They don't have a Torah Script available online. Koine Greek is a lot more misleading than Hebrew or Aramaic I don't know where you got your theories from but you mind want to keep in mind your imagination does not qualify as factual evidence.

Well actually the facts are that the Septuagint is the oldest complete written Old Testament dating to the 3rd Century B.C. The Masorete Hebrew to which you refer is dated to 1009 AD, a Leningrad Codex, this is not my imagination, this is established documented evidence.

The Septuagint is no excuse to not read the original Hebrew,

The "Hebrew" to which you refer is Masorete it is therefore only a secondary later witness, the oldest manuscripts are written in Greek for the most part and to a lessor extent Phoenician and Babylonian Aramaic. There was no Masorete Hebrew until centuries after the death of Christ.

the only difference between modern Hebrew and biblical Hebrew is the same difference from Shakespeare English and modern English. Anyone who can read Hebrew can read both biblical and modern Hebrew.

See above.

Zephaniah 3:9 For then I will restore to the peoples a pure language, That they all may call on the name of the LORD, To serve Him with one accord.


Yeah what's the original language that was written in? What is the Holy and pure language my friend?

Greek is the original language of Scripture and Phoenician.

 

[Maranatha_Yeshua]

Cup, you might want to go back to Sunday School.

Phoenician script is still Hebrew bro, you understand that right?

You might want to research the Proto canaanite pictographs, also.

 

[Cup-of-Ruin]

Jeremiah 31 is the new covenant given to the Israelites, you were grafted into Israel remember?

I am descended from Ephraim, Dan and Levites, I am Israel.

Romans 11
16 For if the firstfruit is holy, the lump is also holy; and if the root is holy, so are the branches.
17 And if some of the branches were broken off, and you, being a wild olive tree, were grafted in among them, and with them became a partaker of the root and fatness of the olive tree,
18 do not boast against the branches. But if you do boast, remember that you do not support the root, but the root supports you.
19 You will say then, “Branches were broken off that I might be grafted in.”
20 Well said. Because of unbelief they were broken off, and you stand by faith. Do not be haughty, but fear.
21 For if God did not spare the natural branches, He may not spare you either.
22 Therefore consider the goodness and severity of God: on those who fell, severity; but toward you, goodness,if you continue in His goodness. Otherwise you also will be cut off.
23 And they also, if they do not continue in unbelief, will be grafted in, for God is able to graft them in again.
24 For if you were cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and were grafted contrary to nature into a cultivated olive tree, how much more will these, who are natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree?
25 For I do not desire, brethren, that you should be ignorant of this mystery, lest you should be wise in your own opinion, that blindness in part has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in.
26 And so all Israel will be saved, as it is written:
“ The Deliverer will come out of Zion,
And He will turn away ungodliness from Jacob;
27 For this is My covenant with them,
When I take away their sins.”
28 Concerning the gospel they are enemies for your sake, but concerning the election they are beloved for the sake of the fathers.
29 For the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable.
30 For as you were once disobedient to God, yet have now obtained mercy through their disobedience,
31 even so these also have now been disobedient, that through the mercy shown you they also may obtain mercy.
32 For God has committed them all to disobedience, that He might have mercy on all.



Dude Paul just owned you right there...Take a few deep breathes I bet you are very very upset right now.

The ethnos of Israel were divorced, the Romans themselves were descended from early migrations of Israelites. In grafting the root stock and the graft stem are the same genus - hence 'Gentile' from GENS - meaning of the same stock, to beget of the same clan, high noble birth - Genteel, Gentry, Genus, Gene, Gentleman, Gentile - of the same root.

 

[Maranatha_Yeshua]

I am descended from Ephraim, Dan and Levites, I am Israel.



The ethnos of Israel were divorced, the Romans themselves were descended from early migrations of Israelites. In grafting the root stock and the graft stem are the same genus - hence 'Gentile' from GENS - meaning of the same stock, to beget of the same clan, high noble birth - Genteel, Gentry, Genus, Gene, Gentleman, Gentile - of the same root.

No offense, I highly doubt your an Israeli due to your high level of antisemitism. Do you really believe the stuff you say?

I suggest you pray God pries your eyes open, sir.

 

[Cup-of-Ruin]

Cup, you might want to go back to Sunday School.

Phoenician script is still Hebrew bro, you understand that right?

You might want to research the Proto canaanite pictographs, also.

No, its Phoenician, you mean 'Paleo-Hebrew' which is the Phoenician langauge, do you know the history of the Phoenician civilization?

 

[Cup-of-Ruin]

No offense, I highly doubt your an Israeli due to your high level of antisemitism. Do you really believe the stuff you say?

I suggest you pray God pries your eyes open, sir.

I would suggest you both study and pray.

 

[Maranatha_Yeshua]

You must be very mad your Lord is a Jewish Rabbi, huh?

 

[Cup-of-Ruin]

You must be very mad your Lord is a Jewish Rabbi, huh?

You must be mad that the New Testament is written in Greek just like the Old. The word 'Jew' is 200 year old, very young, much like yourself, young.

 

[Maranatha_Yeshua]

You must be mad that the New Testament is written in Greek just like the Old. The word 'Jew' is 200 year old, very young, much like yourself, young.

The Septuagint was written in Greek you mean, not the original Tanakh. No I'm not mad because I would rather read the "NT" in Hebrew. In the same way you would prefer reading the Septuagint besides the Hebrew Tanakh.

Would it be better if I said Israeli? I know that the word "Jew" triggers a lot of antisemitic so I figure I'd use that.