Is there a break in Daniel's 70 weeks? (Daniel 9:26)

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Is there a break in Daniel's 70 weeks? (Daniel 9:26)

  • Yes

    Votes: 17 63.0%
  • No

    Votes: 10 37.0%

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valiant

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Pal I just gave you two books which set forth that math at the end of the age..I could care less if you choose to ignore the facts!
Daniel does not mention a 1260 day period. He knows nothing of such. But I have shown you THE FACTS. A year of moon periods is less than 356 days. So how could 1260 days be correct? and forty two moon periods is NOT LITERALLY AND MATHEMATICALLY 1260 days. A moon period is 28-29 days long. The numbers are SYMBOLIC not literal.

It just amuses me that YOU ignore THE FACTS. LOL
 

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The matter is still very simple to know the final 70th week has yet to be fulfilled.

The Dan.9:27 prophecy requires the fulfillment of the "abomination of desolation" event in Daniel, which is about placing idol worship in the temple at Jerusalem.

Jesus gave that "abomination of desolation" warning in conjunction with last day events in Jerusalem. It's easy to know this too, because:

1. The Romans in 70 A.D. did not... fulfill the "abomination of desolation" prophecy. The Jewish temple of that time burned before the Romans could get possession of it. And thus the temple and the city, were destroyed at that time.

2. Since that time of 70 A.D., there has never... been another Jewish temple built in Jerusalem, even to today. An Israelite temple in Jerusalem is REQUIRED in order to fulfill that "abomination of desolation" prophecy from the Book of Daniel.

3. The phrase "to anoint the most Holy" in the 70 weeks prophecy per Dan.9:24, is about the anointing of a final sanctuary in Jerusalem. That is has NEVER... been done still to today, since the temple was destroyed in 70 A.D.

4. A "vile person" per Dan.11 is to make a "league" and come to power in Jerusalem with a small people. This "league" (KJV) is that "covenant" of Dan.9:27...

Dan 11:23
23 And after the league made with him he shall work deceitfully: for he shall come up, and shall become strong with a small people.
KJV

5. Then the "vile person" will later have indignation against the covenant he made, and be in concert with others that will forsake the covenant, and will instead place the abomination that makes desolate...

Dan 11:30-31
30 For the ships of Chittim shall come against him: therefore he shall be grieved, and return, and have indignation against the holy covenant: so shall he do; he shall even return, and have intelligence with them that forsake the holy covenant.
31 And arms shall stand on his part, and they shall pollute the sanctuary of strength, and shall take away the daily sacrifice, and they shall place the abomination that maketh desolate.
KJV

Those are events of Dan.9:27 Scripture that's to occur just prior to, and at the middle of the "one week". That has never been fulfilled to this day.
 
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KennethC

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As long of course as you manipulate the facts to fit the theory. It cannot actually be certainly shown. Thus the many disagreements on the subject. We have no way for example of knowing on what date Christ died. We have no way of knowing how long the years were. It is all manipulation and surmise.



Once we've fiddled the figures, why not fiddle them even more? The Jews have never said that a prophetic week was seven years. And Daniel does not even refer to weeks. He refers to sevens (which replace years).



Funny, I thought He rose from the dead. I'm sure I heard that somewhere. So He could easily have confirmed covenant and done many other things



Unproven rubbish. It is certainly NOT what Daniel says. He was referring to the period of Antiochus Epiphanes.

These are all lies that you have been told by your teachers that we can not know these dates, as the Word of God gives insights into when things took place as it speaks of certain people and how many years they have been in leadership and thus looking at history we can see the years they served.

Such of which is that of John the Baptist's ministry as Luke 3:1 clearly shows this started in the 15th year of Tiberius Caesar's reign. When we go and look at history we can see his reign started in 27-29 AD as he co-reigned with Augustus before he took on the role himself.

Therefore Christ's ministry had to start sometime after 27-29 A.D., and scripture shows such as in John 4 Passovers during Jesus ministry meaning it had to be at least 3 1/2 years long. With that being shown then 30 A.D. would not work as 3 1/2 years would put it in the middle of 31 A.D. More info then comes into play which then brings His crucifixion to the 33 A.D. date.

This has been done and looked into by multiple biblical scholars and historians that have come up with this same year.

The Jews do state a prophetic week is 7 years as that is where we got that understanding, and a study in this will show you this.

The scriptures says He was cut off (not resurrected) after the 69th week, and His covenant was not only for 7 years as it still exists today and will continue to exist tell His return.

That is not rubbish as Daniel is talking about the end times in chapters 10-12, and it clearly shows this as he is told to seal up the book tell the end. This is because what was said to him was yet to be revealed to the world !!!

The 1,290 and 1,335 days is added additions of 30 and 45 days after the 1,260 days given to the man of sin in the GT to rule. These extra days are for Armageddon and the Wrath of God, which is why the Lord says blessed is those that come to end of those days because they have endured and overcome the worst period of time of the world by putting their faith in the Lord.
 
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KennethC

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These are all lies that you have been told by your teachers that we can not know these dates, as the Word of God gives insights into when things took place as it speaks of certain people and how many years they have been in leadership and thus looking at history we can see the years they served.

Such of which is that of John the Baptist's ministry as Luke 3:1 clearly shows this started in the 15th year of Tiberius Caesar's reign. When we go and look at history we can see his reign started in 27-29 AD as he co-reigned with Augustus before he took on the role himself.

Therefore Christ's ministry had to start sometime after 27-29 A.D., and scripture shows such as in John 4 Passovers during Jesus ministry meaning it had to be at least 3 1/2 years long. With that being shown then 30 A.D. would not work as 3 1/2 years would put it in the middle of 31 A.D. More info then comes into play which then brings His crucifixion to the 33 A.D. date.

This has been done and looked into by multiple biblical scholars and historians that have come up with this same year.

The Jews do state a prophetic week is 7 years as that is where we got that understanding, and a study in this will show you this.

The scriptures says He was cut off (not resurrected) after the 69th week, and His covenant was not only for 7 years as it still exists today and will continue to exist tell His return.

That is not rubbish as Daniel is talking about the end times in chapters 10-12, and it clearly shows this as he is told to seal up the book tell the end. This is because what was said to him was yet to be revealed to the world !!!

The 1,290 and 1,335 days is added additions of 30 and 45 days after the 1,260 days given to the man of sin in the GT to rule. These extra days are for Armageddon and the Wrath of God, which is why the Lord says blessed is those that come to end of those days because they have endured and overcome the worst period of time of the world by putting their faith in the Lord.
Meant to say this is when John the Baptist's ministry started as those dates of 27-29 A.D. would have been the 15th year of Tiberius Caesar.
 
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But Messiah is referred to as 'the anointed one, the prince' in verse 25. And He is shown as 'coming'. So who is 'the coming prince'? ANSWER. The Messiah.

It is significant that it is the PEOPLE of the coming prince who will destroy the city. Why? BECAUSE THE PRINCE WAS DEAD. And there is no doubt that the JEWS DID destroy the city. They did it by crucifying Jesus. And they did it in reality when the occasion arrived. Read Josephus whole account. As Josephus says, 'the sedition destroyed the city, the Romans destroyed the sedition'.
My Bible has a capital "P" for Prince in (v.25) and a small "p" for prince in (v.26).
 
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Daniel does not mention a 1260 day period. He knows nothing of such. But I have shown you THE FACTS. A year of moon periods is less than 356 days. So how could 1260 days be correct? and forty two moon periods is NOT LITERALLY AND MATHEMATICALLY 1260 days. A moon period is 28-29 days long. The numbers are SYMBOLIC not literal.

It just amuses me that YOU ignore THE FACTS. LOL
Keep dreaming friend.....Daniel predicted many things at the end of the age and even stated clearly that he did not understand...he uses a time, times and half a time<---- 3.5 years and my math stands....it is not prophetic, it is literal and if you would open your eyes you might figure it out! ;)
 
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If you do not accept a break, where do you place the beginning and end of Daniel's 70 weeks?
Hello Houly,

Are you still out there? If so, do you agree that the first week, of seven weeks, begins at the first 'utterance' that Israel is to be rebuilt?

NAB2 GEN 48:17
Then Israel said to Joseph: “I am about to die. But God will be with you and will restore you to the land of your fathers.

NAB2 DAN 9:25
From the utterance of the word that Jerusalem was to be rebuilt Until one who is anointed and a leader, there shall be seven weeks. During sixty-two weeks it shall be rebuilt,



When I read Moses giving his canticle to Joshua and the Israelites as they prepare to battle their way into the Promised Land One, I hear God talking to Archangel Michael and his Combat Angels of the Apocalypse, preparing to battle their way into the Promised Land Two, of the Restored Kingdom of Israel. In Deuteronomy 32 Moses talks about the rise, fall and Restoration of Israel. What? Israel has not even become a nation and Moses is already prophesying about their fall and restoration?

So why would God be telling us about the Restoration of Israel even before Israel became the nation Israel? Because God's Son, Jesus Christ, taking over as King and Ruler of the world, in the Restoration of Israel, upon victory at our future Battle of Armageddon, is just plain infinitely greater an event than the original formation of Israel as a nation under Joshua. Christ's enthronement as King and Ruler of the world, upon victory on the Battlefield of Armageddon is second in greatness as an event only to the birth, life, death and Resurrection of our Lord Jesus Christ.

Can you see Moses canticle to Joshua and the Israelites preparing to battle their way into the Promised Land One is really God talking to Michael and his angels preparing to follow Christ into battle on the Battle field of Armageddon. Upon victory at Armageddon, Israel is Restored and we enter into the Promised Land Two of Messianic Reign.

Moses Canticle to Joshua, on the battle line to enter into the Promised Land One, can also be taken as an 'utterance' from God that Israel is to be restored.
NAB2 DEU 32:1

Give ear, O heavens, while I speak; let the earth hearken to the words of my mouth! May my instruction soak in like the rain, and my discourse permeate like the dew, Like a downpour upon the grass, like a shower upon the crops. For I will sing the LORD’S renown. Oh, proclaim the greatness of our God! The Rock—how faultless are his deeds, how right all his ways! A faithful God, without deceit, how just and upright he is! Yet basely has he been treated by his degenerate children, a perverse and crooked race! Is the LORD to be thus repaid by you, O stupid and foolish people? Is he not your father who created you? Has he not made you and established you? Think back on the days of old, reflect on the years of age upon age. Ask your father and he will inform you, ask your elders and they will tell you: When the Most High assigned the nations their heritage, when he parceled out the descendants of Adam, He set up the boundaries of the peoples after the number of the sons of God; While the LORD’S own portion was Jacob, His hereditary share was Israel. He found them in a wilderness, a wasteland of howling desert. He shielded them and cared for them, guarding them as the apple of his eye. As an eagle incites its nestlings forth by hovering over its brood, So he spread his wings to receive them and bore them up on his pinions. The LORD alone was their leader, no strange god was with him. He had them ride triumphant over the summits of the land and live off the products of its fields, Giving them honey to suck from its rocks and olive oil from its hard, stony ground; Butter from its cows and milk from its sheep, with the fat of its lambs and rams; Its Bashan bulls and its goats, with the cream of its finest wheat; and the foaming blood of its grapes you drank.
(So Jacob ate his fill,) the darling grew fat and frisky; you became fat and gross and gorged. They spurned the God who made them and scorned their saving Rock. They provoked him with strange gods and angered him with abominable idols. They offered sacrifice to demons, to “no-gods,” to gods whom they had not known before, To newcomers just arrived, of whom their fathers had never stood in awe. You were unmindful of the Rock that begot you, You forgot the God who gave you birth. When the LORD saw this, he was filled with loathing and anger toward his sons and daughters. ‘I will hide my face from them,” he said, “and see what will then become of them. What a fickle race they are, sons with no loyalty in them! “Since they have provoked me with their ‘no-god’ and angered me with their vain idols, I will provoke them with a ‘no-people’; with a foolish nation I will anger them. “For by my wrath a fire is enkindled that shall rage to the depths of the nether world, Consuming the earth with its yield, and licking with flames the roots of the mountains. I will spend on them woe upon woe and exhaust all my arrows against them: “Emaciating hunger and consuming fever and bitter pestilence, And the teeth of wild beasts I will send among them, with the venom of reptiles gliding in the dust. “Snatched away by the sword in the street and by sheer terror at home Shall be the youth and the maiden alike, the nursing babe as well as the hoary old man. “I would have said, ‘I will make an end of them and blot out their name from men’s memories,’ Had I not feared the insolence of their enemies, feared that these foes would mistakenly boast, ‘Our own hand won the victory; the LORD had nothing to do with it.’” For they are a people devoid of reason, having no understanding. If they had insight they would realize what happened, they would understand their future and say, “How could one man rout a thousand, or two men put ten thousand to flight, Unless it was because their Rock sold them and the LORD delivered them up?” Indeed, their “rock” is not like our Rock, and our foes are under condemnation. They are a branch of Sodom’s vinestock, from the vineyards of Gomorrah.Poisonous are their grapes and bitter their clusters. Their wine is the venom of dragons and the cruel poison of cobras. “Is not this preserved in my treasury, sealed up in my storehouse, Against the day of vengeance and requital, against the time they lose their footing?” Close at hand is the day of their disaster and their doom is rushing upon them! Surely, the LORD shall do justice for his people; on his servants he shall have pity. When he sees their strength failing, and their protected and unprotected alike disappearing, He will say, “Where are their gods whom they relied on as their ‘rock’? Let those who ate the fat of your sacrifices and drank the wine of your libations Rise up now and help you! Let them be your protection! “Learn then that I, I alone, am God, and there is no god besides me. It is I who bring both death and life, I who inflict wounds and heal them, and from my hand there is no rescue. “To the heavens I raise my hand and swear: As surely as I live forever, I will sharpen my flashing sword, and my hand shall lay hold of my quiver. “With vengeance I will repay my foes and requite those who hate me. I will make my arrows drunk with blood, and my sword shall gorge itself with flesh— With the blood of the slain and the captured, Flesh from the heads of the enemy leaders.” Exult with him, you heavens, glorify him, all you angels of God; For he avenges the blood of his servants and purges his people’s land.
NAB REV 19:11 The King of kings.

The heavens were opened, and as I looked on, a white horse appeared; its rider was called "The Faithful and True." Justice is his standard in passing judgment and in waging war. His eyes blazed like fire, and on his head were many diadems. Inscribed on his person was a name known to no one but himself. He wore a cloak that had been dipped in blood, and his name was the Word of God. The armies of heaven were behind him riding white horses and dressed in fine linen, pure and white. Out of his mouth came a sharp sword for striking down the nations. He will shepherd them with an iron rod; it is he who will tread out in the winepress the blazing wrath of God the Almighty. A name was written on the part of the cloak that covered his thigh: "King of kings and Lord of lords." Then I saw an angel standing on the sun. He cried out (in) a loud voice to all the birds flying high overhead, “Come here. Gather for God’s great feast, to eat the flesh of kings, the flesh of military officers, and the flesh of warriors, the flesh of horses and of their riders, and the flesh of all, free and slave, small and great.” Then I saw the beast and the kings of the earth and their armies gathered to fight against the one riding the horse and against his army. The beast was caught and with it the false prophet who had performed in its sight the signs by which he led astray those who had accepted the mark of the beast and those who had worshiped its image. The two were thrown alive into the fiery pool burning with sulfur. The rest were killed by the sword that came out of the mouth of the one riding the horse, and all the birds gorged themselves on their flesh.

DEU 32 Continued. So Moses, together with Joshua, son of Nun, went and recited all the words of this song for the people to hear. When Moses had finished speaking all these words to all Israel, he said, “Take to heart all the warning which I have now given you and which you must impress on your children, that you may carry out carefully every word of this law. For this is no trivial matter for you; rather, it means your very life, since it is by this means that you are to enjoy a long life on the land which you will cross the Jordan to occupy.”
 

MarcR

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But we know of no census in 6 BC. The census that did take place was Augustus 25th anniversary in 2/3 BC, although Herod may have held it earlier for it was a large project and would be over an extended period. On the other hand we may have Herod's birth date wrong. Coins were often pre-dated.

Quirinus held a census in Judaea after the banishment of Archelaus (Joseph. Ant. 18:1, 1), which took place B.C. 6.
(from McClintock and Strong Encyclopedia, Electronic Database. Copyright © 2000, 2003, 2005, 2006 by Biblesoft, Inc. All rights reserved.)
 

jb

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Keep dreaming friend.....Daniel predicted many things at the end of the age and even stated clearly that he did not understand...he uses a time, times and half a time<---- 3.5 years and my math stands....it is not prophetic, it is literal and if you would open your eyes you might figure it out! ;)
Yep, certainly is...

For those interested, you can find a breakdown of of Daniel's 70 Week prophecy Here and more Here on it...

Yahweh Shalom
 
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But Messiah is referred to as 'the anointed one, the prince' in verse 25. And He is shown as 'coming'. So who is 'the coming prince'? ANSWER. The Messiah.
It is significant that it is the PEOPLE of the coming prince who will destroy the city. Why? BECAUSE THE PRINCE WAS DEAD. And there is no doubt that the JEWS DID destroy the city. They did it by crucifying Jesus. And they did it in reality when the occasion arrived. Read Josephus whole account. As Josephus says, 'the sedition destroyed the city, the Romans destroyed the sedition'.
My Bible has a capital "P" for Prince in (v.25) and a small "p" for prince in (v.26).
Plus, the "prince that shall come" is not the Messiah the Prince because he will have already been "cut off".
 
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Go read Ezra for the answer to that question.
If this is true, then the 2300 year prophecy brings us to year 1843-1844 (2300 minus 457) which is the same year as the year 1260 (3 1/2 years, 42 months, time times and a half) in the Lunar Calendar of the Musilms.
 
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tanach

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And on that we agree. His perfect sacrifice was the finish of the sacrifices.
I don't think so it wasn't until 70ad that they ceased when Titus destroyed the Temple. That event pre figured what the Antichrist will do half way through the seventieth week.
 
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GaryA

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I have modified the wording of the following passage of scripture in order to make a point. The highlighted words indicate "the way we would say it today" for those particular phrases in these verses:


Daniel 9:

[SUP]24[/SUP] Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy. [SUP]25[/SUP] Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be
sixty-nine weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times. [SUP]26[/SUP] And after sixty-two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined. [SUP]27[/SUP] And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.


The 'grammar of the language' does not allow us to "disassemble" the phrase "seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks" in such a way that the end of the first seven weeks becomes a reference point to which 62 weeks can be added ( in verse 26 ). It is only properly interpreted collectively as 69 weeks.

In the same fashion, "threescore and two weeks" is 62 weeks.

Question: At what point in time did the 62 weeks begin?

Answer: the point in time indicated by the phrase "the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times"

The "sense and tense" of this phrase is that something will be accomplished - thus having a finite ending [ point-in-time ].

The 62 weeks began at the point in time that the rebuilding of the city ended -- which was 52+ years after the command went forth to rebuild the city - 3+ years after the end of week 7. At the end of those 62 weeks was the crucifixion of Christ - 3+ years after the end of week 69 -- "in the midst" of week 70.

The fact that the 62 weeks does not align "perfectly" with week 7 ( i.e. - starting "precisely" at the end of week 7 ) makes it impossible for there to be a 'break' at the end of week 69.

The 70 weeks that were "declared" in verse 24 - "Seventy weeks are determined..." - are a continuous 70 weeks = 490 years.

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Again, it is easy to see the gap. if one would just read what happens after the messiah is cut off. For the prophesy gives us a set of things which must occur. after that takes place (after the 69th week)

[SUP]26 [/SUP]“And after the sixty-two weeks Messiah shall be cut off, but not for Himself;

This occurs after, or at the end of the 69th week. The word after is a noun, It means after, behind, rear end following etc. In other words, at the completion of the 69th week. the messiah will be cut off.

Also remember. Messiah the prince was to be introduced 69 weeks to the day after the decree
(from the going forth of the command To restore and build Jerusalem Until Messiah the Prince,There shall be seven weeks and sixty-two weeks) which was fulfilled literally when Jesus entered jerusalem on the donkey.


And the people of the prince who is to come Shall destroy the city and the sanctuary.

Fulfilled 70 AD. almost 40 years AFTER messiah was cut off (thus we already have introduced a gap)



The end of it shall be with a flood, And till the end of the war desolations are determined.

Daniel is being told that jerusalem will lie desolate (in gentile hands) until the end of war desolations are determined. We are not given a time, but we know Jerusalem is still desolate today. This it is NOT in disagreeing with scripture to understand this time (gap) is still in effect) We can also look at matt 24 to see. Jesus says there will be wars and rumors of wars.. This is the same time period.


[SUP]27 [/SUP]Then he shall confirm a covenant with many for one week;
But in the middle of the week
He shall bring an end to sacrifice and offering.
And on the wing of abominations shall be one who makes desolate,
Even until the consummation, which is determined,
Is poured out on the desolate.”


This speaks of Gods wrath, Great tribulation, or jacobs trouble. The desolate are those in opposition to God. The consumation of this time period again is spoken of by Jesus himself. (when you see the son of man coming in the clouds)

At this point, the 70 weeks will be completed.

Jerusalem will be restored, It will follow the true God of Isreal (not the gods of the fathers, or the phariseic God it worships today) Israel will have repented, be restored. Given life. WIll know God (neighbor will no longer have to teach neighbor, because they ALL know the truth of God) God will have forgiven them. All Israel will have been saved etc etc.

It all goes perfect with prophesy.
 
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GaryA

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Again, it is easy to see the gap. if one would just read what happens after the messiah is cut off. For the prophesy gives us a set of things which must occur. after that takes place (after the 69th week) { No - see comment after quote }

[SUP]26 [/SUP]“And after the sixty-two weeks Messiah shall be cut off, but not for Himself;

This occurs after, or at the end of the 69th week. { No - not what it says } The word after is a noun { it is not - try again }, It means after, behind, rear end following etc. In other words, at the completion of the 69th week. { No - not what it says } the messiah will be cut off.

Also remember. Messiah the prince was to be introduced 69 weeks to the day after the decree
(from the going forth of the command To restore and build Jerusalem Until Messiah the Prince,There shall be seven weeks and sixty-two weeks) which was fulfilled literally when Jesus entered jerusalem on the donkey.


And the people of the prince who is to come Shall destroy the city and the sanctuary.

Fulfilled 70 AD. almost 40 years AFTER messiah was cut off (thus we already have introduced a gap)
{ there is no direct connection or relationship between the end of the 70 weeks and the events of ~70 A.D. }


The end of it shall be with a flood, And till the end of the war desolations are determined.

Daniel is being told that jerusalem will lie desolate (in gentile hands) until the end of war desolations are determined. We are not given a time, but we know Jerusalem is still desolate today. This it is NOT in disagreeing with scripture to understand this time (gap) is still in effect) We can also look at matt 24 to see. Jesus says there will be wars and rumors of wars.. This is the same time period. { No, not exactly... }


[SUP]27 [/SUP]Then he shall confirm a covenant with many for one week;
But in the middle of the week
He shall bring an end to sacrifice and offering.
And on the wing of abominations shall be one who makes desolate,
Even until the consummation, which is determined,
Is poured out on the desolate.”


This speaks of Gods wrath, Great tribulation, or jacobs trouble. { No, incorrect... } The desolate are those in opposition to God. The consumation of this time period again is spoken of by Jesus himself. (when you see the son of man coming in the clouds)

At this point, the 70 weeks will be completed.
{ No... }

Jerusalem will be restored, It will follow the true God of Isreal (not the gods of the fathers, or the phariseic God it worships today) Israel will have repented, be restored. Given life. WIll know God (neighbor will no longer have to teach neighbor, because they ALL know the truth of God) God will have forgiven them. All Israel will have been saved etc etc.

It all goes perfect with prophesy.
You are misinterpreting the prophecy...

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eternally-gratefull

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"That is all I need to have, for now..." :p

( Read post #273 --- and contemplate that for a while... :cool: )

:)

I did, And I have, and my view still stands unless someone can convince me otherwise (I am open to change, I have changed my position in a few times in my lifetime)

But it will take more than "You are misinterpreting prophesy"

it will take showing me where I have erred and why
 

valiant

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These are all lies that you have been told by your teachers that we can not know these dates, as the Word of God gives insights into when things took place as it speaks of certain people and how many years they have been in leadership and thus looking at history we can see the years they served.
LOL LOL

Such of which is that of John the Baptist's ministry as Luke 3:1 clearly shows this started in the 15th year of Tiberius Caesar's reign. When we go and look at history we can see his reign started in 27-29 AD as he co-reigned with Augustus before he took on the role himself.
So John the Baptist commenced his ministry in 42 AD at the earliest? (27 + 15).LOL That's a new perspective. I think you'd better do some homework.

Therefore Christ's ministry had to start sometime after 27-29 A.D.,
By your figures in the late 40s AD lol The ministry of John would have covered a number of years. He had large numbers of disciples around the world.

and scripture shows such as in John 4 Passovers during Jesus ministry meaning it had to be at least 3 1/2 years long.
True but it could have been much longer.

With that being shown then 30 A.D. would not work as 3 1/2 years would put it in the middle of 31 A.D.
Depends where you start from

More info then comes into play which then brings His crucifixion to the 33 A.D. date.
of course. 'More info'. Clearly to be kept secret.

This has been done and looked into by multiple biblical scholars and historians that have come up with this same year.
and multiple biblical scholars and historians have come to a different year.

The Jews do state a prophetic week is 7 years as that is where we got that understanding,
where?

and a study in this will show you this.
No it doesn't. you are SOOOO glib.

The scriptures says He was cut off (not resurrected) after the 69th week,
So you don't think that God knew that He would be resurrected?

and His covenant was not only for 7 years as it still exists today and will continue to exist tell His return.
well there are a number of ways of looking at that.
One is to recognise that a 'seven' is a God appointed time, and thus not seven years (which is pure assumption based on false calculations).
A second is to recognise that it does not say how long the covenant is to be in force. It is you who are assuming it is limited to seven years.
A third is to recognise that some people see the covenant as made by Christ with His believing people, with Himself being crucified in the middle of the seven and the end of the seven indication when the new covenant went to the Gentiles.

That is not rubbish as Daniel is talking about the end times in chapters 10-12, and it clearly shows this as he is told to seal up the book tell the end. This is because what was said to him was yet to be revealed to the world !!!
Where does it say that Daniel is talking about 'the end times'? That is your assumption. Some would argue that 'the time of the end' in 11.45 refers to the end days before the first coming of the Messiah. If you read the text carefully you will discover that it fits Herod the Great perfectly.

The 1,290 and 1,335 days is added additions of 30 and 45 days after the 1,260 days given to the man of sin in the GT to rule.
But how could Daniel 'add days' to a period that he has never referred to. Daniel NOWHERE speaks of 1260 days. The 1260 days in Revelation are based on Elijah's ministry

These extra days are for Armageddon and the Wrath of God, which is why the Lord says blessed is those that come to end of those days because they have endured and overcome the worst period of time of the world by putting their faith in the Lord.
Nonsense. You have no Scriptural evidence for this whatsoever. It is all fantasy. They refer in fact to periods of Antiochus Epiphanes depradations. You have not the slightest grounds for your false assertions except invention.
 

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Whether you are a preterist that believes Daniel's 70th 'seven' (week of 7 years) was fulfilled in 70 AD or a futurist that believes Daniel's 70th week is yet to be fulfilled, you must place a break in Daniel 9:26, between the end of the 69th week in 33 AD (when Jesus Christ was cut off) and the beginning of the 70th.

If you do not accept a break, where do you place the beginning and end of Daniel's 70 weeks?
"He will confirm a covenant with many for one 'seven.' In the middle of the 'seven' he will put an end to sacrifice and offering. And at the temple he will set up an abomination that causes desolation, until the end that is decreed is poured out on him."

We have three parts to this prophecy:

Beginning of the seven: Confirms a covenant with many for one seven

Middle of the seven: Stops the sacrifice and offerings and sets up the abomination in the temple

End of the seven: The decree that is poured out on him

Now, for those who would try to make the claim that Jesus is the one who makes the covenant, then he would also have to be the one who is causing the sacrifice and offerings to cease. At this point they might get away with that claim. But, that claim comes to a screeching halt when we get to the setting up of the abomination and that because the abomination (Bdelugma) is defined as a detestable stench that goes up before God. Since there is only one person in view within the scripture, that would mean that along with the making of the covenant and causing the sacrifice and offerings to cease, Jesus would also have to be the one setting up the abomination, which would mean that he would blaspheming God the Father, as well as himself. In order to get around this, expositors have tried to claim that there are two persons mentioned in the scripture, which is obviously false. For throughout the verse, the same "He" who makes the covenant, is the same "He" who causes the sacrifice and offering to cease and is the same "He" who sets up the abomination. Therefore, that removes the possibility that Jesus is the One who is in view in the scripture. There is an element to this scripture that demonstrates that there is a break in it, which is the last part of the scripture:

"until the end that is The decree that is poured out on him"

Since Dan.9:27 is referring to the last seven year period, at the end of it, what has been decreed for the "He" is poured out on him at the end of the seven. Paul mentions this decree:

"For the secret power of lawlessness is already at work; but the one who now holds it back will continue to do so till he is taken out of the way. And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will overthrow with the breath of his mouth and destroy by the splendor of his coming." (2 Thes.2:7-8)

In the scripture above, the one who is being overthrown is the one Paul refers to as "the lawlessness one" and this happens by the splendor of the coming of the Lord Jesus, which would take place at the end of the age. In Daniel 9:26 the "He" of Dan.9:27 is referred to as "the ruler of the people." Here in 2 Thes.2 his referred to as "the lawlessness one". In John's letters he is referred to as "the antichrist" and in the book of Revelation, this man is controlled by that angel that comes up out of the Abyss, also known as the beast. The decree that is to be poured out on that ruler, the man of lawlessness, that antichrist, the beast, is as follows:

"But the beast was captured, and with him the false prophet who had performed the signs on his behalf. With these signs he had deluded those who had received the mark of the beast and worshiped his image. The two of them were thrown alive into the fiery lake of burning sulfur.

Now, taking all of the above into consideration, if the seventy 'sevens' were to all take place without a break between the sixty ninth seven and the seventieth seven, then the ruler would have already made that seven year covenant and the abomination would have already been set up in the temple causing the desolation of Jerusalem and the surrounding area. But what about the decree that is poured out on him? This happens at Christ's return to end the end of the age. Therefore, in order for this last seven to have already have taken place without a break, the decree that is poured out on that ruler would have had to have taken place at the end of the seven years, which again takes place when Jesus returns to end the age and establish his millennial kingdom. Amillennialists aside, if the last seven had already taken place, then we would have had to have seen the return of Jesus and we would currently be living in the millennial period, which we are obviously not.

At the end of sixty-nine 'sevens' the Anointed One was cut of (Christ crucified) and at that time God paused that last seven year period and began to build his church, which is still in progress. Once the church has been completed, then God will remove the church from the earth and pick up where he left off with that last seven, with that ruler making his covenant. The last seven fulfills the decree of the seventy 'sevens' for Israel and Jerusalem stated in Dan.9:24, with the return of the Lord bringing that last seven and the end of the age to a close, at which point that ruler controlled by the beast is thrown into the lake of fire alive.

Conclusion: Since that last seven years concludes with the Lord's return to end the age and the destruction of that ruler, and it is obvious that we have not yet seen the Lord's return, then neither could the ruler have made that seven year covenant and neither could the abomination have been set up and that because all of these events are tied together to take place within that last seven year period, ergo, that last seven year period, with all of its elements, is still a future event.