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well for one thing he once preached a sermon in which he tried to defend to doctrine of total depravity by speculating that if a baby had the strength of an adult then it would be a murderer...it goes beyond the biblical teaching about total depravity for washer to hold people guilty of purely -hypothetical- sin...
there are other doctrinal issues but i don't have time to write an essay...
and yes it is true that washer hasn't been blunt with his followers...on the one hand you have him preaching a recycled sermon to teenagers telling them that many of them should be excommunicated and are going to hell...and on the other hand his only response to his cult following has been a milquetoast sermon about not wanting to be a celebrity... if he addressed his followers with anything like the bluntness with which he addresses youth groups after an altar call...he would have a preached a sermon titled 'you people are a bunch of cultists'...
there are other doctrinal issues but i don't have time to write an essay...
and yes it is true that washer hasn't been blunt with his followers...on the one hand you have him preaching a recycled sermon to teenagers telling them that many of them should be excommunicated and are going to hell...and on the other hand his only response to his cult following has been a milquetoast sermon about not wanting to be a celebrity... if he addressed his followers with anything like the bluntness with which he addresses youth groups after an altar call...he would have a preached a sermon titled 'you people are a bunch of cultists'...
R
most of washer's followers listen because they like hearing that -other people- are depraved sinners...that appeals to the worldly impulse of self righteousness...
and washer doesn't preach the full counsel of the gospel...he preaches the gospel with error...
which by the way doesn't make him an instrument of satan...just a preacher in need of correction who needs to learn to take correction...
and washer doesn't preach the full counsel of the gospel...he preaches the gospel with error...
which by the way doesn't make him an instrument of satan...just a preacher in need of correction who needs to learn to take correction...
K
OK...For me. When a man is worth 40 million dollars and begs for more like he is poor.??????????????
$40 million
It's too much a promotional vehicle for him.” People Magazine reported that Ostrrn, His net worth is estimated at $40 million, and he reportedly lives in a 17,000 square-foot Houston mansion valued at $10.5 million.Dec 31, 2014
$40 million
It's too much a promotional vehicle for him.” People Magazine reported that Ostrrn, His net worth is estimated at $40 million, and he reportedly lives in a 17,000 square-foot Houston mansion valued at $10.5 million.Dec 31, 2014
L
You are just like leonardo., you just didn't hear him., that doesn't mean he hasn't preached it. I've actually listened to JO and heard him preach on many things the people on this forum never heard. Just goes to show people jump the gun on people in the spot light and with that, never listen to the people they decide are unbiblical so they never know (but they would swear to it that they DO know) But how could they when they have already judged and tarred and feathered the man and wouldn't take the time to listen to someone they believe to be a heretic.
Human behavior is in need of major mind renewal from the HolySpirit and the Word of God. No wonder we are warned not to judge the hearts of our brothers and sisters in Christ.
L
Well, what are you saying? He should be exactly like you and have the same tastes as you., eat the same food as you and have the same dog as you have? In this world there are many people who are not like we are and yet God is perfectly pleased with them. It's just too bad people seem to have higher standards than even God.
L
Oh for heaven's sake you don't know what he does in his home and with his finances. You have no idea how much he may give or not give to the Lord's work. God has given JO the life he has and only JO is responsible to answer for what he has done or not done. (aside from the accountability factor he willingly submits to with those who are serving with him and his family and friends)
It would be very nutty for me to see where you lived in a picture or on youtube and decide you are way too wealthy and therefore you must be selfish and only take care of your family and have not helped the poor. How would I or could I know this? Taking care of our own lives with it's own responsibilities before God is a full time job. No one has time to try and live someone else's and speak for them and or about them when they don't even know them personally. And even if they did know them personally., it's not their job to try and instruct another person how they ought to live.
E
I came from a pentecostal(AOG) background and have never heard the love God has for his only begotten son Jesus Christ so deeply preached than byPaul Washer.Furthermore if people were not depraved sinners God would not have sent Jesus to die in our place,Washer teaches that all people are depraved,not just some.
90% of the sermons at the AOG church were about tithing,having your best life now or modern day psychology with a Jesus label slapped on it,they are only interested in church numbers and their sermons were catering for the carnal people there while the true Christians in these churches were starving.
Paul Washers style of preaching has been preached from pulpits for hundreds of years and has helped bring many millions of people to Christ,mainstream churches only stopped this style of preaching a few decades ago,about the same time all the insidious new age bibles started appearing.
I am so deeply worried because yourself and others like you are hearing a 21st century, watered down,cherry picked, superficial gospel,that could cost you everything,so please put on your Berean cap,sit down somewhere quiet and and listen to a few more of Paul's sermons online,they will bless you.
90% of the sermons at the AOG church were about tithing,having your best life now or modern day psychology with a Jesus label slapped on it,they are only interested in church numbers and their sermons were catering for the carnal people there while the true Christians in these churches were starving.
Paul Washers style of preaching has been preached from pulpits for hundreds of years and has helped bring many millions of people to Christ,mainstream churches only stopped this style of preaching a few decades ago,about the same time all the insidious new age bibles started appearing.
I am so deeply worried because yourself and others like you are hearing a 21st century, watered down,cherry picked, superficial gospel,that could cost you everything,so please put on your Berean cap,sit down somewhere quiet and and listen to a few more of Paul's sermons online,they will bless you.
B
Did you know a it was either a few months back of a couple years ago, Osteen stated that there is more than 1 way to salvation. Osteen believes everyone is saved, and just teaches prosperity. On top of that he has his chronology all mixed up. I saw a video on one of his sermons where is specifically stated that God got upset with Moses and told Moses to be more like Joshua, David, and Solomon. . . . . . I had to rewind it a few times and that's exactly what he states. . . . . How could God tell Moses to be like David or Solomon when they have not yet to exist, and there is no mention of them at this point in the bible. Joshua I may have been able to understand, but David and Solomon is where it got me. Never watched or listened to Osteen since then.
K
I choose Jesus
Not trying to be a smarty alec, just figure each christian asking the Holy Spirit to lead them when reading the Word of God, will lead to a "no brainer" when listening to others share. I've always liked this quote from Randy Alcorn, a pastor up in Oregon:
"What would Jesus do? There is always one answer: He
would act in grace and truth.
Truth without grace breeds a self-righteous legalism
that poisons the church and pushes the world away from
Christ.
Grace without truth breeds moral indifference and
keeps people from seeing their need for Christ.
Attempts to “soften” the gospel by minimizing truth
keep people from Jesus. Attempts to “toughen” the gospel
by minimizing grace keep people from Jesus. It’s not
enough for us to offer grace or truth.
We must offer both." from The Grace and Truth Paradox by Randy Alcorn
Not trying to be a smarty alec, just figure each christian asking the Holy Spirit to lead them when reading the Word of God, will lead to a "no brainer" when listening to others share. I've always liked this quote from Randy Alcorn, a pastor up in Oregon:"What would Jesus do? There is always one answer: He
would act in grace and truth.
Truth without grace breeds a self-righteous legalism
that poisons the church and pushes the world away from
Christ.
Grace without truth breeds moral indifference and
keeps people from seeing their need for Christ.
Attempts to “soften” the gospel by minimizing truth
keep people from Jesus. Attempts to “toughen” the gospel
by minimizing grace keep people from Jesus. It’s not
enough for us to offer grace or truth.
We must offer both." from The Grace and Truth Paradox by Randy Alcorn
E
hmmm...seems Mr Washer does have his detractors who disagree with his presentation on salvation..
I don't have a favorite preacher or writer...no one has all the truth...
you can stick anyone under a microscope and come up with some kind of 'bug'...probably why we are told to love rather than try as hard as we can to find fault
it's one thing to disagree with things...it's another to label a person a false prophet or an apostate and yet it seems Christians just simply love to tear others apart...yum yum yum
I don't have a favorite preacher or writer...no one has all the truth...
you can stick anyone under a microscope and come up with some kind of 'bug'...probably why we are told to love rather than try as hard as we can to find fault
it's one thing to disagree with things...it's another to label a person a false prophet or an apostate and yet it seems Christians just simply love to tear others apart...yum yum yum