He became sin...???

[PeterJens]

we are freed from sin and we are made the righteousness of God in him.

This is an interesting phrase, because many do have faith but appear not to experience this reality.

I am saying it can be made true in someones life, but ministers and preachers often aspire to such an example while failing to understand its reality.

 

[atwhatcost]

Your missing the point...call it what you want..we know that's its not a action by Him. I think the term "spiritual force" is the best identifier I could come up to describe the issue...what we know is this sin was taken by Him on our behalf and was judged in Him... what would you call it..because its clearly not a action He commited... don't get all bent out of shape...I just think its a good topic to discuss.

Well, of course I was missing the point. That's why I asked that. I'm still missing the point though.

What would I call it? Well, I don't know what else to call it but Jesus became sin. I can't put my finger on what that means, so I asked you to clarify. I don't get spiritual force though.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I tbink it is written somewhere in job God cannot be in sins presence

How did God come into Adam and Eve's presence immediately after they sinned then?

 

[thebesttrees]

This is an interesting phrase, because many do have faith but appear not to experience this reality.

I am saying it can be made true in someones life, but ministers and preachers often aspire to such an example while failing to understand its reality.

Yes we are that potential candle that needs to be lit. The candle has all the potentiality of giving light but it has to be lit first. And so we do have the potentiality of righteousness but it comes in obedience to the Word.

 

[Mitspa]

Well, of course I was missing the point. That's why I asked that. I'm still missing the point though.

What would I call it? Well, I don't know what else to call it but Jesus became sin. I can't put my finger on what that means, so I asked you to clarify. I don't get spiritual force though.

That's the best I can do

 

[thebesttrees]

Well, of course I was missing the point. That's why I asked that. I'm still missing the point though.

What would I call it? Well, I don't know what else to call it but Jesus became sin. I can't put my finger on what that means, so I asked you to clarify. I don't get spiritual force though.

I will clarify it for you if I may. he hath made him to be sin for us means this: Christ was the embodiment of sin to those who crucified Him. They were blind to His reality and saw only a mere man! They did not see the divine in Him. By sacrificing Himself and His subsequent resurrection, we are freed from sin that we might be the righteousness of God in him.

 

[Mitspa]

I will clarify it for you if I may. he hath made him to be sin for us means this: Christ was the embodiment of sin to those who crucified Him. They were blind to His reality and saw only a mere man! They did not see the divine in Him. By sacrificing Himself and His subsequent resurrection, we are freed from sin that we might be the righteousness of God in him.

I don't see it as just a symbolic act..or that He only represented sin... I think "sin" was put upon Him...I believe that's what the scriptures teach.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

I don't see it as just a symbolic act..or that He only represented sin... I think "sin" was put upon Him...I believe that's what the scriptures teach.

How do you put sin upon someone? Sin is an act instigated by a spirit. It would be impossible to put past actions on Christ, and I think it's blasphemous to suggest that satan, or satan's spirit, was put in Christ.

You called sin something like a serpent. That doesn't jive with what sin actually is, which is rebellion, or the father of rebellion.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Yes we are that potential candle that needs to be lit. The candle has all the potentiality of giving light but it has to be lit first. And so we do have the potentiality of righteousness but it comes in obedience to the Word.

Non of this is going to matter unless the candle is first lit. and only God can do this. You can obey commands all you want, if the candle is not lit, It will still be darkness. Because it is done of self will and power. and not done by God.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I will clarify it for you if I may. he hath made him to be sin for us means this: Christ was the embodiment of sin to those who crucified Him. They were blind to His reality and saw only a mere man! They did not see the divine in Him. By sacrificing Himself and His subsequent resurrection, we are freed from sin that we might be the righteousness of God in him.

What? This is confusing, not sure where your trying to go here.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I don't see it as just a symbolic act..or that He only represented sin... I think "sin" was put upon Him...I believe that's what the scriptures teach.

You mean the penalty of sin?

I am still confused here. How can all of my sins against God which have been, are being and will be commited 2000 years in Gods future be placed on Christ?

 

[Mitspa]

How do you put sin upon someone? Sin is an act instigated by a spirit. It would be impossible to put past actions on Christ, and I think it's blasphemous to suggest that satan, or satan's spirit, was put in Christ.

You called sin something like a serpent. That doesn't jive with what sin actually is, which is rebellion, or the father of rebellion.

I don't put sin upon someone..clearly God put our sin upon Christ... and it was judged upon Him

This is a pretty basic teaching among most Protestants I know...and clearly "sin" is not only a verb but a noun..its a spiritual force as I have already proven from Rom 7

 

[Mitspa]

You mean the penalty of sin?

I am still confused here. How can all of my sins against God which have been, are being and will be commited 2000 years in Gods future be placed on Christ?

How did He forgive you when you was saved...that was 2000 some odd years after He was crucified ...right? Clearly what He did upon the Cross was a eternal act, not subject to temporal time.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

How did He forgive you when you was saved...that was 2000 some odd years after He was crucified ...right? Clearly what He did upon the Cross was a eternal act, not subject to temporal time.

SO your saying he paid the penalty of sin?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Col 2:
[SUP]11 [/SUP]In Him you were also circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, by putting off the body of the sins[SUP][c][/SUP] of the flesh, by the circumcision of Christ, [SUP]12 [/SUP]buried with Him in baptism, in which you also were raised with Him through faith in the working of God, who raised Him from the dead. [SUP]13 [/SUP]And you, being dead in your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, He has made alive together with Him, having forgiven you all trespasses, [SUP]14 [/SUP]having wiped out the handwriting of requirements that was against us, which was contrary to us. And He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross. [SUP]15 [/SUP]Having disarmed principalities and powers, He made a public spectacle of them, triumphing over them in it.

 

[Mitspa]

SO your saying he paid the penalty of sin?

Im saying that and much more..that the scriptures teach...sin was judged when He became "sin"

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Im saying that and much more..that the scriptures teach...sin was judged when He became "sin"

Yes, So he became sin And paid the penalty of sin.

So why do people want to make this so difficult And make iut simething it is not?

 

[blue_ladybug]

You mean the penalty of sin?

I am still confused here. How can all of my sins against God which have been, are being and will be commited 2000 years in Gods future be placed on Christ?

Because he died for ALL FUTURE sins, and he already knew what those sins would/will be.. God's idea of time, and ours, are vastly different. 2000 years to him is like 2 minutes. Whereas 2000 years to us, is a lifetime and beyond..lol..

 

[prove-all]

He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning.
For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.



For the life was manifested, and we have seen it, and bear witness, and shew
unto you that eternal life, which was with the Father, and was manifested unto us;

Whoso sheddeth man's blood, by man shall his blood be shed:
for in the image of God made he man.


That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth,
from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias,..



And almost all things are by the law purged with blood;
and without shedding of blood is no remission.

And he said unto them, This is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many.​

For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.
This cup is the new testament in my blood, which is shed for you.



That the blood of all the prophets, which was shed from the foundation of the world,
may be required of this generation;




Egypt shall be a desolation, and Edom shall be a desolate wilderness, for the violence
against the children of Judah, because they have shed innocent blood in their land.​

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

I don't put sin upon someone..clearly God put our sin upon Christ... and it was judged upon Him

This is a pretty basic teaching among most Protestants I know...and clearly "sin" is not only a verb but a noun..its a spiritual force as I have already proven from Rom 7

OK let me rephrase:

How did GOD put sin on Christ? Sin is an act instigated by a spirit. It would be impossible to put past actions on Christ because 1) they are actions not things, and 2) they are past and no longer exist. And I think it's blasphemous to suggest that satan, or satan's spirit, was put in Christ.