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I can't stand it another minute!!!!
Matthias Chosen to Replace Judas
12 Then the apostles returned to Jerusalem from the hill called the Mount of Olives, a Sabbath day’s walk[a] from the city. 13 When they arrived, they went upstairs to the room where they were staying. Those present were Peter, John, James and Andrew; Philip and Thomas, Bartholomew and Matthew; James son of Alphaeus and Simon the Zealot, and Judas son of James. 14 They all joined together constantly in prayer, along with the women and Mary the mother of Jesus, and with his brothers.
15 In those days Peter stood up among the believers (a group numbering about a hundred and twenty) 16 and said, “Brothers and sisters,[b] the Scripture had to be fulfilled in which the Holy Spirit spoke long ago through David concerning Judas, who served as guide for those who arrested Jesus. 17 He was one of our number and shared in our ministry.”
18 (With the payment he received for his wickedness, Judas bought a field;there he fell headlong, his body burst open and all his intestines spilled out.19 Everyone in Jerusalem heard about this, so they called that field in their language Akeldama, that is, Field of Blood.)
20 “For,” said Peter, “it is written in the Book of Psalms:
“‘May his place be deserted;
let there be no one to dwell in it,’[c]
and,
“‘May another take his place of leadership.’[d]
21 Therefore it is necessary to choose one of the men who have been with us the whole time the Lord Jesus was living among us, 22 beginning from John’s baptism to the time when Jesus was taken up from us. For one of these must become a witness with us of his resurrection.”
23 So they nominated two men: Joseph called Barsabbas (also known as Justus) and Matthias. 24 Then they prayed, “Lord, you know everyone’s heart. Show uswhich of these two you have chosen 25 to take over this apostolic ministry, which Judas left to go where he belongs.” 26 Then they cast lots, and the lot fell to Matthias; so he was added to the eleven apostles.
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And yet once again, those who believe the cloven tongue of Pentecost is this gibberish that some speak that is not understood, do not know how God's true cloven tongue in Acts 2 manifested!
It would appear they don't understand about the one tongue that all nations spoke prior to the tower of Babel event either. That's what God's true cloven tongue is about, like the one tongue all nations spoke and understood prior to Babel. God is going to return us all to speaking that one tongue in the future (Zeph.3). When it is spoken, ALL peoples present understand what is being spoken. And that's how it manifested on Pentecost per Acts 2 also.
It would appear they don't understand about the one tongue that all nations spoke prior to the tower of Babel event either. That's what God's true cloven tongue is about, like the one tongue all nations spoke and understood prior to Babel. God is going to return us all to speaking that one tongue in the future (Zeph.3). When it is spoken, ALL peoples present understand what is being spoken. And that's how it manifested on Pentecost per Acts 2 also.
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I'm not in the mood to post links....but there are many threads on this subject...why don't you just look for them and then search out my posts
I'm so fed up with those who do not want to particiapte in the gifts and somehow believe it is their civic duty to waylay into those who do
You don't wanna speak in tongues? good on ya
You think it's gibberish? well...that could be trouble for you
So when Paul was speaking of those who had a prophecy taking turns, he was speaking of people in the Church that spoke a different language of the world, which required an interpreter so the rest in the Church could understand what was being spoken. And in those chapters the idea of prophesying is about teaching, not speaking in some unknown gibberish.
1 Cor 14:7-11
7 And even things without life giving sound, whether pipe or harp, except they give a distinction in the sounds, how shall it be known what is piped or harped?
8 For if the trumpet give an uncertain sound, who shall prepare himself to the battle?
9 So likewise ye, except ye utter by the tongue words easy to be understood, how shall it be known what is spoken? for ye shall speak into the air.
10 There are, it may be, so many kinds of voices in the world, and none of them is without signification.
11 Therefore if I know not the meaning of the voice, I shall be unto him that speaketh a barbarian, and he that speaketh shall be a barbarian unto me.
KJV
1 Cor 14:7-11
7 And even things without life giving sound, whether pipe or harp, except they give a distinction in the sounds, how shall it be known what is piped or harped?
8 For if the trumpet give an uncertain sound, who shall prepare himself to the battle?
9 So likewise ye, except ye utter by the tongue words easy to be understood, how shall it be known what is spoken? for ye shall speak into the air.
10 There are, it may be, so many kinds of voices in the world, and none of them is without signification.
11 Therefore if I know not the meaning of the voice, I shall be unto him that speaketh a barbarian, and he that speaketh shall be a barbarian unto me.
KJV
I don't need any links or posts of examples. God's Holy Writ is my example and my measuring rule.
Why don't you take a closer look at how the cloven tongue actually manifested at Pentecost per Acts 2 and try to prove me wrong?
No, you won't do that, because you're scared of what you may discover. But I will say it again, IF one claims... to speak the cloven tongue of Pentecost, and all present do not understand what is being spoken, then that... is NOT the true cloven tongue of Pentecost.
Why don't you take a closer look at how the cloven tongue actually manifested at Pentecost per Acts 2 and try to prove me wrong?
No, you won't do that, because you're scared of what you may discover. But I will say it again, IF one claims... to speak the cloven tongue of Pentecost, and all present do not understand what is being spoken, then that... is NOT the true cloven tongue of Pentecost.
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Bet you didn't know what you had started here Blain. I always post in the BDF with a certain amount of trepidation...and a warning. Maybe all posts should begin with a government health warning: "warning this thread could seriously damage you mental health" or maybe "warning any response to this thread WILL seriously damage your mental health".
No one here prepared to take that challenge I offer of proving what the true cloven tongue is per Acts 2???
You would think that those who so strongly support the speaking of the gibberish tongue that requires someone to interpret would want to know what the Scriptures declare about it.
But all I hear is a mocking of that.
You would think that those who so strongly support the speaking of the gibberish tongue that requires someone to interpret would want to know what the Scriptures declare about it.
But all I hear is a mocking of that.
Perhaps but I find it difficult to accept that God is in the lottery business.
It is possible that the apostles forced an issue that God did not tell them to take up. God did not tell the apostles to replace Judas. Can someone tell me what Matthias accomplished in his office of apostle? Is there any evidence in scripture that God anointed Matthias and used him as an apostle?
Anyhow that has nothing to do with the charismatic movement. Charismatics are kin to the Pentecostals.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
It is possible that the apostles forced an issue that God did not tell them to take up. God did not tell the apostles to replace Judas. Can someone tell me what Matthias accomplished in his office of apostle? Is there any evidence in scripture that God anointed Matthias and used him as an apostle?
Anyhow that has nothing to do with the charismatic movement. Charismatics are kin to the Pentecostals.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
How foolish to say. Why in the world do you think all the people were asking what was going on, and claiming they were drunk? The drunken-sounding noises only made sense to the individual hearers... and they ALL heard the same sounds coming out of the Apostle's mouths (the sounds were NOT any known language), but in their heads, different people "recognized" the comprehension of one of 15 different languages..... ALL emanating from that one same sound.
Common sense tells us that if 15 different languages were actually coming out of the Apostle's mouths, not one single listener could have possibly made out their own dialect amid the babbling of the other 14 languages...... even IF they could have heard them distinctly at the distance away 3,000 people had to be in those tiny, narrow streets. (Which would have been insanely impossible.)
The Apostles never "spoke" ANY distinct languages.... God did..... inside the minds of the hearers.
Common sense tells us that if 15 different languages were actually coming out of the Apostle's mouths, not one single listener could have possibly made out their own dialect amid the babbling of the other 14 languages...... even IF they could have heard them distinctly at the distance away 3,000 people had to be in those tiny, narrow streets. (Which would have been insanely impossible.)
The Apostles never "spoke" ANY distinct languages.... God did..... inside the minds of the hearers.
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I agree. And I think Paul had Acts in mind with this verse.
New American Standard Bible
Paul, an apostle (not sent from men nor through the agency of man, but through Jesus Christ and God the Father, who raised Him from the dead),
In reality, Apostleship was a gift from God. It would be on Par of Peter lining up 2 men and asking God which one they should make healer of the group. When God gave those gifts to whom He chooses.
New American Standard Bible
Paul, an apostle (not sent from men nor through the agency of man, but through Jesus Christ and God the Father, who raised Him from the dead),
In reality, Apostleship was a gift from God. It would be on Par of Peter lining up 2 men and asking God which one they should make healer of the group. When God gave those gifts to whom He chooses.
God knows how we each speak, and hear, in our own language dialects of birth. That's what the various peoples on Pentecost heard, in their own dialects of their home languages, when the Apostles spoke on Pentecost. That... is... the evidence of the true cloven tongue of Acts 2.
So yes, each person, with their own hearing... understood. And that was about known languages of the world, even dialects of those languages which is even more specific! That is why many wondered there, because they knew the Apostles were Hebrews, so how did they learn their own dialects so well? It would have required years for one to live in an area to learn the dialect/slang of just one language. Yet that is how ACCURATE The Holy Spirit was in translating each language of each person's country that was present. And that is the true evidence of the cloven tongue of Pentecost.
But that is not all; there will be a certain event that is to occur during the coming time of 'great tribulation" our Lord Jesus taught, and that is when some in Christ will be delivered up to give a Testimony by The Holy Spirit, to all nations. That is actually the event Peter spoke of when quoting from Joel 2. When Peter said, "this is that" which the prophet Joel spoke about, it means Pentecost was an 'example' of that still future event.
So yes, each person, with their own hearing... understood. And that was about known languages of the world, even dialects of those languages which is even more specific! That is why many wondered there, because they knew the Apostles were Hebrews, so how did they learn their own dialects so well? It would have required years for one to live in an area to learn the dialect/slang of just one language. Yet that is how ACCURATE The Holy Spirit was in translating each language of each person's country that was present. And that is the true evidence of the cloven tongue of Pentecost.
But that is not all; there will be a certain event that is to occur during the coming time of 'great tribulation" our Lord Jesus taught, and that is when some in Christ will be delivered up to give a Testimony by The Holy Spirit, to all nations. That is actually the event Peter spoke of when quoting from Joel 2. When Peter said, "this is that" which the prophet Joel spoke about, it means Pentecost was an 'example' of that still future event.
God is clear on that in fact crystal clear!
1 Corinth 14:2726What is the outcome then, brethren? When you assemble, each one has a psalm, has a teaching, has a revelation, has a tongue, has an interpretation. Let all things be done for edification. 27If anyone speaks in a tongue, it should be by two or at the most three, and each in turn, and one must interpret; 28but if there is no interpreter, he must keep silent in the church; and let him speak to himself and to God.…
By this scripture we garner that this is the proper way to operate from the spirit in public gatherings amongst other believers
