He became sin...???

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Mitspa

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Heb 10:4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.5 Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:

When did Christ, as God, come into this world?

Answer: At the incarnation.

What was prepared for the Deity of Christ?

Answer: A body

What body came from Mary's womb?

A body indwelt with our "bent-to-self". A body indwelt with "the love of self".

If not, then Mary's womb was cleansed from results of the fall. But Christ did come to save those before the fall, but after. Hence He united His Deity to our fallen life and in that life lived a perfect life and at the cross that life took the curse of the law.
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You seem preoccupied with Marys womb... Mary was just the receiver of Gods Seed that made the sinless man, Christ Jesus.

Did you know that the blood comes from the Father seed not the mother?
 
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Mitspa said:
Well ..if you don't know..that don't mean that the bible is wrong...
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No, that means we don't know....It doesn't' make the Bible wrong because the Bible doesn't answer this question.
 
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Yes Jesus being sinless... you should try to honor Him and not blaspheme against His holiness.
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Paul:

1 Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ, called to be an apostle, separated unto the gospel of God,
2 (Which he had promised afore by his prophets in the holy scriptures,)
3 Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh (sarx) 4 And declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead:
 
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Mitspa said:
Yes Jesus being sinless... you should try to honor Him and not blaspheme against His holiness.
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Paul:

Rom 1:1 Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ, called to be an apostle, separated unto the gospel of God, 2 (Which he had promised afore by his prophets in the holy scriptures,) 3 Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh (sarx) 4 And declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead:

Jesus is God. However, as God He united himself to our sarx and became the son of man.
 
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Roberth said:
No, that means we don't know....It doesn't' make the Bible wrong because the Bible doesn't answer this question.
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It clearly does//but because it defeats your false doctrine...you play games with words. and blaspheme Christ.
 
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Paul:

Rom 1:1 Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ, called to be an apostle, separated unto the gospel of God, 2 (Which he had promised afore by his prophets in the holy scriptures,) 3 Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh (sarx) 4 And declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead:
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You do understand that Mary was the seed of david.(women don't have male seed) ... and the term flesh does not always mean "sinful" flesh...it often means flesh as in meat of the body.
 
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What was in them that could respond to temptation. God can't be tempted because Divinity isn't tempted by sin. Adam and Eve were indwelt only by the divine nature.
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You mean after He had completely defeated satan and been given all power in heaven on on the earth? and was seated on the right Hand of God? No I don't think that is possible after He has already passed the test and been glorified with the Father. If fact that question has nothing to do with His duty as a man to redeem man from sin.
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Ok so before the cross Jesus was tempted to commit adultery because the choice of committing adultery existed but he chose not to do it. Then after the resurrection the choice to commit adultery still existed so why wasn't Jesus tempted by it?
 
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You do understand that Mary was the seed of david.(women don't have male seed) ... and the term flesh does not always mean "sinful" flesh...it often means flesh as in meat of the body.
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Then Mary was cleansed of indwelling sin? Where is this in the Bible?
 
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Roberth said:
Then Mary was cleansed of indwelling sin? Where is this in the Bible?
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Who said that? I said the seed of the Father made Christ sinless..that the baby does not receive the blood of the mother but of the Father..do you think that is just happenstance or Gods design from the beginning?
 
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Then Mary was cleansed of indwelling sin? Where is this in the Bible?
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[FONT=Helvetica Neue, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]Behold, I was shapen in iniquity; and in sin did my mother conceive me.[/FONT]

[FONT=Helvetica Neue, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]That's David....He was born spiritually dead with his nature controlling him.[/FONT]

[FONT=Helvetica Neue, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]Jesus was born spiritually alive, and the nature he assumed never got its way with Christ's mind. He persistently said no to temptation.[/FONT]
 
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Who said that? I said the seed of the Father made Christ sinless..that the baby does not receive the blood of the mother but of the Father..do you think that is just happenstance or Gods design from the beginning?
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The Holy Spirit did not provide sperm. That's nonsense. He is Spirit...He is not human. The only life that Mary could pass to Christ as the son of man was a fallen life indwelt with our bent.

IN that life Christ never sinned.

And that life died on the cross forever.
 
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KJV1611 said:
Ok so before the cross Jesus was tempted to commit adultery because the choice of committing adultery existed but he chose not to do it. Then after the resurrection the choice to commit adultery still existed so why wasn't Jesus tempted by it?
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Well your understanding of His temptation (and mine) my be very limited because we are sinful ..and see temptation as always related to the sin in our flesh...His temptation was clearly much deeper than mans lust..it was more about Him fulfilling all the things He came to fulfill in faith and love. when satan tried to tempt Him..it was always about deeper things than sin in the flesh. Its was about His mission and His relationship with the Father.
 
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HeRoseFromTheDead said:
I believe the correct translation of that word is sin offering. I'll do some digging...
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This is 2Cor 5:21. The word used is hamartia=sin. There is no mention of an offering in this verse.

Jesus was indeed our sin offering; but that idea does NOT come from this verse.
 
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Behold, I was shapen in iniquity; and in sin did my mother conceive me.

That's David....He was born spiritually dead with his nature controlling him.

Jesus was born spiritually alive, and the nature he assumed never got its way with Christ's mind. He persistently said no to temptation.
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Nobody claimed Mary was without sin...so your now just trying to deflect from the issue because you know you have been proven to be in error.
 
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Well your understanding of His temptation (and mine) my be very limited because we are sinful ..and see temptation as always related to the sin in our flesh...His temptation was clearly much deeper than mans lust..it was more about Him fulfilling all the things He came to fulfill in faith and love. when satan tried to tempt Him..it was always about deeper things than sin in the flesh. Its was about His mission and His relationship with the Father.
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So you don't believe Jesus was tempted by adultery?
 
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The Holy Spirit did not provide sperm. That's nonsense. He is Spirit...He is not human. The only life that Mary could pass to Christ as the son of man was a fallen life indwelt with our bent.

IN that life Christ never sinned.

And that life died on the cross forever.
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Of course the Holy Spirit impregnated Mary...what do you think He did it with? peanut butter?
 
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